$1.70 a litre in BC

[captain morgan]

But still, they are a major source of greenhouse gases. Just because you don't like the consequences of the course taken doesn't change the fact that there is trouble brewing, whether it be the cost of dealing with the problem or the cost of ignoring it. Your choice. Bucko.

Yeah, volcanic activity, forest fires and natural decomposition will outstrip the (relatively) puny contributions of cars

Verifiable in realtime. Beat that Eco-Nazi!

Sorry bud but the details of the abstract, albeit completely verifiable, don't exist until the eco-terrorists say so

 

[petros]

Be careful. If you speak the truth the Green Shirts will chuck you in an Eco-Camp with solar powered electric fences.

Pray it isn't around Yellowknife. It's f-cking snowing right now.

 

[Danbones]

Our dollar is evaporating almost faster than gas does.

 

[Danbones]

Be careful. If you speak the truth the Green Shirts will chuck you in an Eco-Camp with solar powered electric fences.
Pray it isn't around Yellowknife. It's f-cking snowing right now.

Its snowing just west of Denver too.

The solar radiation guys are saying if we are to get more glaciation this round may happen there, believe it or not.
(Solar radiation which causes clouds, increase when the sun spots are down.)

 

[petros]

If we don't come out of GSM, all bets are off.

 

[pgs]

The two largest producers of carbon missions are electricity production and the transportation sector, each accounting for roughly 30% of global emissions. In transportation the largest culprit is the small passenger vehicle, accounting for as much as all other transportation modes combined, including large commercial trucks, trains, shipping and air travel. Doesn't it make sense to start where the problem is greatest?

No , not when it will harm the standard of living without any meaningful benefits.

 

[pgs]

It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that media manipulation has been elevated to an art form with the advent of the internet and instant communication, but I'm more inclined to believe that it would be the fuel producers that have the greater interest in seeing the issue portrayed as an alarmist "scare" to be ridiculed and ignored.


This isn't a new argument, and it doesn't escape my notice that those who would have us believe that this isn't an important issue produce precious little in the way of scientific fact to support there position, while there is no shortage of accredited scientists taking the opposite position. Who are you going to believe, the academic or the capitalist?

When you stop flying off for holidays in exotic locations I might take it more seriously. Our illustrious PM has mandated a carbon pricing scheme (tax) on the masses , to help wean us off our use of fossil fuels yet flys around the country and world on our tax dollars dime . While you are riding the bus Trudeau is flying in style with a limousine waiting to pick him up and deliver him to the airport .

 

[pgs]

It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that media manipulation has been elevated to an art form with the advent of the internet and instant communication, but I'm more inclined to believe that it would be the fuel producers that have the greater interest in seeing the issue portrayed as an alarmist "scare" to be ridiculed and ignored.


This isn't a new argument, and it doesn't escape my notice that those who would have us believe that this isn't an important issue produce precious little in the way of scientific fact to support there position, while there is no shortage of accredited scientists taking the opposite position. Who are you going to believe, the academic or the capitalist?

The sky is falling .

 

[petros]

No , not when it will harm the standard of living without any meaningful benefits.

We are too advanced.

Billions of people still live in the 1800s and we should feel guilty about the hard work our our ancestors put in to get us here.

Sniffles...

 

[Danbones]

Its snowing just west of Denver too.

The solar radiation guys are saying if we are to get more glaciation this round may happen there, believe it or not.
(Solar radiation which causes clouds, increase when the sun spots are down.)

Misstypo. Should have been "cosmic" radiation which causes clouds, goes up when there are no sun spots.

Ooops my bad.

 

[JLM]

If we don't come out of GSM, all bets are off.

Just saw on the news you are getting a little Global warming in SK, Pete! Time to peel off the Stanfields!

 

[petros]

Just saw on the news you are getting a little Global warming in SK, Pete! Time to peel off the Stanfields!

Thank God I'm not in Yellowknife

 

[JLM]

Thank God I'm not in Yellowknife

Yeah, I guess the high there was 7C today, while High Level is sweltering.

 

[JLM]

While you are riding the bus Trudeau is flying in style with a limousine waiting to pick him up and deliver him to the airport .

That's about due to change, sudden like. He's close to the end of his shelf life!

 

[DaSleeper]

On Oct. 22nd he can go and commiserate with Wynne!

 

[Nick Danger]

Yeah, volcanic activity, forest fires and natural decomposition will outstrip the (relatively) puny contributions of cars

Good points. Well, except for the volcanic activity bit which amounts to a minuscule percentage of natural emissions, but it is an important sounding word that does play well to the cameras.



The numbers involved in the natural CO2 cycle dwarf man made emissions, but the key word here is "balance". Up until the beginning of the industrial revolution the natural emissions equaled natural uptakes, chiefly photosynthesis going on in plants and oceanic phyto-plankton. What we have done is upset that balance, allowing the buildup of atmospheric CO2. Further reading available by searching terms like "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" if you're into to that whole open-minded thing.

 

[JLM]

On Oct. 22nd he can go and commiserate with Wynne!

The only snag, I can see is if Maxime Bernier can manage to split the vote against him. That's my main concern. These upstarts should leave well enough. While not having a ghost of chance of ever being P.M. he might fcuk it up for everyone else. The Greens are probably too well established to criticize in a similar fashion. Time will tell, Sleepy.

 

[captain morgan]

Good points. Well, except for the volcanic activity bit which amounts to a minuscule percentage of natural emissions, but it is an important sounding word that does play well to the cameras.

You keep telling yourself that bud.... At least you're not at risk of losing your membership or good standing in the eco community

 

[Twin_Moose]

But still, they are a major source of greenhouse gases. Just because you don't like the consequences of the course taken doesn't change the fact that there is trouble brewing, whether it be the cost of dealing with the problem or the cost of ignoring it. Your choice. Bucko.

I found this interesting transportation emissions are down pretty far on the list

Global Emissions by Economic Sector

Electricity and Heat Production (25% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): The burning of coal, natural gas, and oil for electricity and heat is the largest single source of global greenhouse gas emissions.
Industry (21% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): Greenhouse gas emissions from industry primarily involve fossil fuels burned on site at facilities for energy. This sector also includes emissions from chemical, metallurgical, and mineral transformation processes not associated with energy consumption and emissions from waste management activities. (Note: Emissions from industrial electricity use are excluded and are instead covered in the Electricity and Heat Production sector.)
Agriculture, Forestry, and Other Land Use (24% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): Greenhouse gas emissions from this sector come mostly from agriculture (cultivation of crops and livestock) and deforestation. This estimate does not include the CO2 that ecosystems remove from the atmosphere by sequestering carbon in biomass, dead organic matter, and soils, which offset approximately 20% of emissions from this sector.[2]
Transportation (14% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): Greenhouse gas emissions from this sector primarily involve fossil fuels burned for road, rail, air, and marine transportation. Almost all (95%) of the world's transportation energy comes from petroleum-based fuels, largely gasoline and diesel.
Buildings (6% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): Greenhouse gas emissions from this sector arise from onsite energy generation and burning fuels for heat in buildings or cooking in homes. (Note: Emissions from electricity use in buildings are excluded and are instead covered in the Electricity and Heat Production sector.)
Other Energy (10% of 2010 global greenhouse gas emissions): This source of greenhouse gas emissions refers to all emissions from the Energy sector which are not directly associated with electricity or heat production, such as fuel extraction, refining, processing, and transportation.

This doesn't really follow what you were trying to tell us

 

[captain morgan]

Further reading available by searching terms like "greenhouse effect" and "global warming" if you're into to that whole open-minded thing.

Thanks for the tip but I think that I'll stick with fact-based research