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spilledthebeer

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You're rambling all over the map. First of all we are involved in a 50 or 100 year process. Limitations on chargers at this stage isn't a valid argument any more than limitations on light bulbs two weeks after they were invented is. The is NOTHING wrong with people riding buses as long as we understand it's NOT the answer for ALL situations and as long as we are only persuading people to do it and not forcing them. One person travelling long distances on a regular basis in a two ton machine is stupid where there is an alternative. Bringing political parties into the discussion is also stupid. Your posts would be much more persuasive if you limited them to one or two paragraphs dealing with one thing at a time. JMHO. :)


Oh how FOOLISHLY BLIND you deliberately ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are using climate issues.....................................


AND RELATED LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


set up over a LONG TERM...........................................


as an EXCUSE for IMMEDIATE gravy grabbing policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You SAY I am all over the map!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am sorry you can only see your own house on the map!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am sorry that you ARE BLIND to the city you live in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And BLIND to the country you live in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And BLIND to the relations Canada has with other countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And those relations are ALL being DRIVEN by LIE-beral GREED and CLIMATE LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Author Michael Crichton has DETAILED MANY of the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He notes one reason cities are getting HOTTER is simply because they are BIGGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The larger the mass of concrete...................................


the LONGER it holds heat.............................................


if our LIE-beral govt encouraged people to spread out so there was more green space and less concrete.....................


cities would cool off much faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals recognize that concrete holds heat............................


which is WHY they are interested in roof top gardens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


but LIE-berals DO NOT want to admit that building high rise buildings vastly INCREASES the surface area of buildings and PROMOTES HEAT RETENTION in those buildings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



A population that is more dispersed would have MORE GREEN around it that would help reduce city warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But LIE-berals DO NOT WANT us to be spread out because then LIE-berals would have to SPEND THEIR GRAVY on new infrastructure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We would NEED more roads, more sewers, more water lines for drinking water, more fire halls and cop shops, AND LOTS OF PUBLIC TRANSIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And as we KNOW.......................................


LIE-berals bitterly RESENT spending their GRAVY even doing BASIC MAINTENANCE on EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals HAVE NO INTENTION of spending THEIR GRAVY on new infrastructure when the old stuff is COLLAPSING!!!!!!!!!!



Crichton even cites scholarly papers ti prove that the snow cap on Kilimanjaro IS NOT MELTING DUE to global warming as CLIMATE LIARS want to tell us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The snow on Kilimajaro is melting SIMPLY BECAUSE OF LOCAL deforestation on the slopes of the mountain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Replant the trees that acted as natural air conditioners on the lower slopes.........................................


and which fuel hungry locals have CUT DOWN.......................................


and watch the snow come back................................


along with the newly planted forests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I am sorry your understanding of LIE-beral policy is so GROSSLY LIMITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The TRUTH IS that LIE-beral policy is branching out all over the map in a determined effort to HOG UP as much gravy as possible in the shortest time possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals and their supporters KNOW their party is headed for a period of DEEP DISGRACE and SUBSTANTIAL public hostility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they are spinning off seeking gravy where ever it can be found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And shoring up disgraced LIE-beral policy in any way they can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals MAKE most of their own problems by trying to FORCE 2 + 2 come out to FIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIe-berals KNOW that borrowed money is JUST AS GOOD...................................


in the short term for BUYING VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the short term IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The money is GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-beral lust for gravy and votes trumps logic and reason EVERY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Unless of course you are a LIE-beral and trying to put all the party problems on Our idiot Boy........................


and hoping to make HIM the party whipping boy........................................


and in the process SALVAGE some of the party from public EXTINCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In that case......................


playing DUMB about LIE-beral policy is EXPEDIENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

JLM

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Oh how FOOLISHLY BLIND you deliberately ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are using climate issues.....................................


AND RELATED LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


set up over a LONG TERM...........................................


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Don't matter- Liberals aren't going any further than what the electorate will allow.
 

spilledthebeer

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Oh how FOOLISHLY BLIND you deliberately ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are using climate issues.....................................


AND RELATED LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


set up over a LONG TERM...........................................


/QUOTE]
Don't matter- Liberals aren't going any further than what the electorate will allow.






PUT ON YOUR GLASSES Mr. MAGOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then you will see how hard LIE-berals and their HOG allies are working to RIG our elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


STARTING with that GROSS CONFLICT of interest that allows civil service union HOGS to VOTE for the party that will hand them the MOST GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


To bad you cannot picture the HYSTERIA that would ensue if the Loblaws CEO or the Lavalin chief told their employees they



WOULD GET A PAY RAISE ONLY IF Ford and Scheer and Kenney were elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Nick Danger

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So you are another one from the cult of Climatology that thinks that you can control the weather thus the climate OK carry on Lol


I do believe that climate change is greatly affected by human activity, and that to continue on the course we are on is going to lead to greater trouble. Are you another one from the cult of Wait-and-See, it will fix itself?
 

Nick Danger

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What about the big polluters Nick ? Why does airline travel never get mentioned ? How about those cruise ships plying the coast of B.C. to Alaska , why are we not curtailing these ?


The two largest producers of carbon missions are electricity production and the transportation sector, each accounting for roughly 30% of global emissions. In transportation the largest culprit is the small passenger vehicle, accounting for as much as all other transportation modes combined, including large commercial trucks, trains, shipping and air travel. Doesn't it make sense to start where the problem is greatest?
 

petros

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I do believe that climate change is greatly affected by human activity, and that to continue on the course we are on is going to lead to greater trouble. Are you another one from the cult of Wait-and-See, it will fix itself?
The very industries you are fighting are the ones behind creating the "climate change scare".

Follow the money.

Big Oil is Big Renewables.

They want to be Big Energy. They want it all and you are handing it to them on a silver platter.

You are being used.

Who is paying for their take over of "the grid"?

Them or you?
 

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I do believe that climate change is greatly affected by human activity, and that to continue on the course we are on is going to lead to greater trouble. Are you another one from the cult of Wait-and-See, it will fix itself?


Nope I'm from planet earth we can't change the weather thus change the climate. I do not prescribe to the notion to artificially inflate prices to try to speed up a process a minority desperately wants something that innovation and the free market will do in a natural course when alternatives present themselves as viable. I do agree we abuse our environment and something needs to be done to clean it up, but through action not lip service, if someone drops a piece of litter don't call the cops/MP/MLP just pick it up and dispose of it properly.

This wealth transfer scheme dressed up as a world savour has a hidden world agenda it is less about Carbon than it is about a guaranteed income for the poor. Buying Carbon credits from third world countries means squat to the emitter of the carbon, it is only a paper reduction of carbon emissions nothing to do with real world reductions. There is a market for alternative energies, but they cannot economically compete with fossil fuel head on, so you have to artificially inflate fossil fuel (use # 2 for the carbon tax) to make alternative competitive. Now you made another industry to circulate money around to help siphon funds from in the economy, I would like to know how many times a printed dollar is taxed in it's lifetime I'll bet you more than it is worth.


Once this is implemented and pretty much accepted the next step will be to get rid of paper money, which has been hinted at already, that way the Gov. can keep track of every penny and make sure it keeps circulating and siphon off even more on each digital dollar.


So my answer is yes I'm concerned about the environment, but I don't trust the World elite to have my best interest in mind, we can fix this at the grass root level.
 

Nick Danger

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The very industries you are fighting are the ones behind creating the "climate change scare".


It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that media manipulation has been elevated to an art form with the advent of the internet and instant communication, but I'm more inclined to believe that it would be the fuel producers that have the greater interest in seeing the issue portrayed as an alarmist "scare" to be ridiculed and ignored.


This isn't a new argument, and it doesn't escape my notice that those who would have us believe that this isn't an important issue produce precious little in the way of scientific fact to support there position, while there is no shortage of accredited scientists taking the opposite position. Who are you going to believe, the academic or the capitalist?
 

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The two largest producers of carbon missions are electricity production and the transportation sector, each accounting for roughly 30% of global emissions. In transportation the largest culprit is the small passenger vehicle, accounting for as much as all other transportation modes combined, including large commercial trucks, trains, shipping and air travel. Doesn't it make sense to start where the problem is greatest?

Bahahahaha the no choice pay for everything people are to blame typical urban dweller looking out his window and dictating to the world. How well does the DFI system work on cargo ships? Does a catalytic converter ever need to be changed on planes? How much ethanol is blended into jet fuel? Where are the reburn systems set up on planes, trains and ships? The passenger vehicles are the most regulated vehicles on the planet bucko
 

Twin_Moose

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It doesn't take a crystal ball to see that media manipulation has been elevated to an art form with the advent of the internet and instant communication, but I'm more inclined to believe that it would be the fuel producers that have the greater interest in seeing the issue portrayed as an alarmist "scare" to be ridiculed and ignored.
This isn't a new argument, and it doesn't escape my notice that those who would have us believe that this isn't an important issue produce precious little in the way of scientific fact to support there position, while there is no shortage of accredited scientists taking the opposite position. Who are you going to believe, the academic or the capitalist?

Haven't alotta these accredited scientists started to say that their findings have been taken out of context as well?
 

petros

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What problem? First CO2 needs to be proven to do something let alone tinker with climate.

Do you believe it's possible to "live off grid"?
 

petros

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Haven't alotta these accredited scientists started to say that their findings have been taken out of context as well?
Check the Temp for Yellowknife then check the current temp at High Level where "the climate change fires" burn.

Don't look at Churchill where the polar bears are fighting for their lives.It'll put a shiver through your soul.
 

petros

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Bahahahaha the no choice pay for everything people are to blame typical urban dweller looking out his window and dictating to the world. How well does the DFI system work on cargo ships? Does a catalytic converter ever need to be changed on planes? How much ethanol is blended into jet fuel? Where are the reburn systems set up on planes, trains and ships? The passenger vehicles are the most regulated vehicles on the planet bucko
Tier 3Z is just around the corner. Lol

Ships are going Tier 3B shortly. No more bunker. Diesel will skyrocket and inflation right along with it
 

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Calling changing weather patterns "part of a natural cycle" is just another way of hoping the problem will go away on its own.


You do realize that the planet has undergone multiple episodes of continental glaciation in the past, right?


... Long before humanity was walking the earth


Hydro-electric power does require a "re-purposing" of large areas of land, but it is a highly localized cost, it's up to us to decide if we want to see that as a cost or an investment.


Not every place has the option to rely on hydro for their supply, further, the long term effects of daming up hundreds or thousands of hectares has numerous negative and toxic affects, most notably, the build-up of large amounts of heavy metals that get trapped in the silt in those dams.


It is an easy argument to talk about the negative carbon affects associated with these projects as well, so, you still want to go down that road?


You MIGHT be right, BUT you might be overlooking a few false premises. We should just hang tough until we can determine FOR SURE what is going on. "Climate change" is a nebulous term to begin with. What's it mean? Climate has been changing ever since the world began. No one was even talking about climate change or global warming 15 years ago. 15 years is a pretty short span to determine there is serious climate change and if there is what is causing it?


You'll recall that idiots like Suzuki were flapping their arms about the-comin-ice-age back in the 70s or 80s.. That morphed into global warming which was 'fact' and later, climate-changey statements that to this day remain undefined.


It's a bunch of grifters that have pulled the wool over the sheep's eyes



Nope I'm from planet earth we can't change the weather thus change the climate.


Only the most arrogant and ill informed believe that humanity has the ability to control the Earth's climate and related systems.



I do not prescribe to the notion to artificially inflate prices to try to speed up a process a minority desperately wants something that innovation and the free market will do in a natural course when alternatives present themselves as viable.


Eaglesmack used to ask the question: How many bank transfers does it take to solve global warming



This isn't a new argument, and it doesn't escape my notice that those who would have us believe that this isn't an important issue produce precious little in the way of scientific fact to support there position, while there is no shortage of accredited scientists taking the opposite position. Who are you going to believe, the academic or the capitalist?


I'd love to see your 'facts' that support (without any shadow of doubt) your position, especially in light that the Earth has 'fixed itself' on a number of occasions after the continental glaciation events

Haven't alotta these accredited scientists started to say that their findings have been taken out of context as well?

Not just out of context, a great many of them demanded that the IPCC remove any and all references to them from this concrete and factual report.


Not exactly a big confidence booster in 'the facts'
 

Nick Danger

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Bahahahaha the no choice pay for everything people are to blame typical urban dweller looking out his window and dictating to the world. How well does the DFI system work on cargo ships? Does a catalytic converter ever need to be changed on planes? How much ethanol is blended into jet fuel? Where are the reburn systems set up on planes, trains and ships? The passenger vehicles are the most regulated vehicles on the planet bucko


But still, they are a major source of greenhouse gases. Just because you don't like the consequences of the course taken doesn't change the fact that there is trouble brewing, whether it be the cost of dealing with the problem or the cost of ignoring it. Your choice. Bucko.
 

petros

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Geomagnetic forcing of changes in climate and in the atmospheric circulation
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Common features in records of solar and geomagnetic activity as well as of climatic parameters can be observed. High correlation coefficients were found between geomagnetic activity, the sea level atmospheric pressure and the surface air temperature, occurring with a positive sign in the middle and southern Europe, in the south-eastern part of North America and in the western Atlantic but with a negative sign in the northern Atlantic and Canada.

In the hypothesis proposed here for explaining Sun-weather relations, downward winds following the geomagnetic storm onset are generated in the polar cap of the thermosphere and penetrate to the stratosphere and troposphere, where the atmospheric response can be observed as a sudden increase of pressure and temperature. The subsidence effects along the northern margin of the subpolar high pressure areas (mainly the Siberian high) are accelerated and strong eastward winds participate in the intensification of the northern jet stream and in the successive zonalization of flow in mid-latitudes. It is shown that at a time of low geomagnetic activity planetary waves with large amplitudes prevail in the northern hemisphere due to the orographic effect of the Rocky Mountains and Greenland. On the other hand, at a time of high geomagnetic activity, an intensification of the winds can be observed not only in the thermosphere but also in the troposphere. A strong northern jet stream participates in the intensification of the westerly zonal flow and in the increase of temperature successively in the eastern part of North America, in Europe and northern Asia. These relations are clearly detectable not only in monthly averages of the pressure and temperature distribution but also in the daily variations of atmospheric circulation. The results enable us to test a causal link of the Sun-weather processes, to explain strong interannual climate and weather changes in several key regions of the northern hemisphere, mainly in winter, and to study possible causes of the North Atlantic Oscillation.

The results obtained contribute also to the study of the occurrence of long-term cyclic changes which were observed both in solar and geomagnetic activity and temperature T, as well as in the radioactive Δ14C, and have a similar trend. A composite curve was suggested by summing up sinusoidal curves with periods 70, 200, 800 and 2400 years roughly representing changes of all three mentioned parameters (aa, T and Δ14C) during the past 1600 years and their probable trend for the next 800 years. The results seem to imply that the global warming could be slowed down in next decades, because the natural component influencing the increase of temperature in the 20th century will most probably decrease in the next century due to the weaker external geomagnetic forcing which was suggested to modify natural meteorological processes....

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