$1.70 a litre in BC

[Twin_Moose]

There are plenty of shills on both sides of the fence on this one, people will believe what they want to believe even if it isn't based in fact.
I trust my eyes, and my ears when it comes to older folk who have seen the change in weather patterns first hand. There is no doubt in my mind that we are causing changes and if we can't at least slow that rate of change we are going to mess things up in a big and permanent way.
I watched the Alberta NDP strive to find some middle ground between economic health and environmental responsibility only to fall victim to a barrage of emotional manipulation by Kenney and his band of schemers and plotters. He whipped the province into a frenzy convincing everyone that all their woes were the fault of the NDP whose major drawback was inheriting a mess from decades of Conservative government. Now, barely having warmed the seat in the premier's office, he is taking swipes at middle/low wage earners, environmental programs and trade unions all to appease his buddies in the oil towers in Calgary.
I work in the oilsands, I've watched with my own eyes what has transpired since the oil price started dropping in 2014. I've learned to see past the BS.
Now we have this new crook-on-the-rise in Ottawa, little Andy Scheer, riding a wave of anti-Trudeau sentiment that most likely was engineered in some back room of his own party, bribing the voters with promises of personal prosperity. He's going to scrap the carbon tax but won't say what his plan is for the environment or how he will replace lost tax revenue. This is the way of politics in Canada, get them mad and keep them mad because an angry mind is not a thinking mind and they like it that way.

What do you do in the oilsands?

 

[petros]

I trust my eyes, and my ears when it comes to older folk who have seen the change in weather patterns first hand.

My aunt who died last year at 98 years old without doubt stated it was far hotter in the 30s and 40s. And the 50s and 60's were cold but she insists the past 6 years were the coldest longest winters she has lived through.

At 51 I can say it was far hotter and drier in the 80's.

I have dents in my old 68 F100 from grasshoppers.

I've only seen one year since that came close which was 06.

Grasshoppers and hot and dry weather go hand in hand. If you want an indicator of hot and dry it's hoppers. Add in hornets too, they lay their eggs in hoppers.

My buddy's high school job was at a car wash. He shovelled tonne upon tonne of hoppers out of the mud traps.

Gross. Really gross but non-roadkill hoppers are delicious. Twist the head off and pull out the spine. Calcium rich protein. They taste nutty.

When hoppers are common place on the tundra, I'll believe in AGW

 

[Nick Danger]

What do you do in the oilsands?

Nothing glamorous. In the old days we would have been called "bullcooks". I have education and a trade ticket, highly employable down south, but the money in making beds and mopping floors is just silly.

 

[spilledthebeer]

Your fact based research is founded on frauds like the climate research leaders at East Anglia U that were caught, outright, conspiring to engineer the data to reflect their interests.



Other notables include tools like Michael Mann and his infamous hockey stick graph.... Today, Mann has been abandoned by the ecotard community due to his theory having been debunked on multiple occassions and his arrogance in trying to sue Tim Ball, who in turn demanded Mann's research info as part of the discoveries process.


Of course, Mann refused to forward his fraudulent data and his suit was thrown out


Yes, what fine, fact based science your movement relies on





So is syphilis

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nick is a DANGER to common sense and logic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Maybe HE HAS syphilis and it has affected his thinking????????????????????????????????

 

[Nick Danger]

...why do the big polluters like airplanes and cruise ships get a pass...

Road Transport accounts for more emissions than all the other modes combined, plus alternatives for ocean and air transport are not available yet. (That wasn't a hard answer to find. You must be using one of the old gas-powered googles.)

 

[petros]

I work in the oilsands, I've watched with my own eyes what has transpired since the oil price started dropping in 2014. I've learned to see past the BS.
Now we have this new crook-on-the-rise in Ottawa, little Andy Scheer, riding a wave of anti-Trudeau sentiment that most likely was engineered in some back room of his own party, bribing the voters with promises of personal prosperity. He's going to scrap the carbon tax but won't say what his plan is for the environment or how he will replace lost tax revenue. This is the way of politics in Canada, get them mad and keep them mad because an angry mind is not a thinking mind and they like it that way.

please tell us of this BS.

BS like 100 of 1000s of high paying jobs and people gone and an NDP upping taxes on people on pogey and in need of retraining?

I guess you weren't working there before they stopped using oil coke to refine product and converting to Natural Gas and scrubbing or upgrading tech found its way to AB from SK.

My Dad was a Mech Eng who spent 10 years redesigning and rebuilding refinery systems and
on design and building the Western Hemisphere's first upgrader, adding NG to coal plants greatly increasing combustion of flue gases and SO2, steel mills, pulp mills.

That was during the first cap and trade experiment were oil companies made huge money on SO2.

After that they didn't hesitate creating a climate boogie man and CO2 Cap and Trade.

I told you once already. Big Oil is Big Renewables.

Back then nobody knew NG was so bloody abundant. We have a 1000 yr supply.

So now we have carbon taxes to get you to pay for the rest of industry to go CNG. Litre by litre you will pay for commercial buildings, buses, trucks, heavy equipment, ships,trains and airplanes. Yes CNG jets are coming, they already nail you a fuel surcharge and they will use your money to go CNG. They won't be going electric.

As soon as warranty is up on my tractor I'm converting it to CNG. CNG is about 12 cents per litre equivalent I'll save a buck o litre.

How much has a transit pass fallen now that cities went CNG.

BTW C-Train which got funding from Big O&G is the most used rapid transit system in North America and done by Klein.

Why did AB need a carbon tax? Buses and city fleets went CNG ages ago. In fact Snotley didn't want to pony up for the new LRT line in Calgary so they built a dedicated bus roadway on the Greenland.

C-Train went backwards for f-ck sakes.

 

[Nick Danger]

There again you come up with an example of concentrated population like the city, try making it work in the sparse population where you can't even find a cab to take you home from the bar.

You're really clutching at straws now. If you want to deal with a problem, doesn't it make sense to start where the problem is greatest?

 

[JLM]

BTW transit is for peasants. F-ck that.

I would think when travelling to an from work, you'd want to do it the cheapest way possible. The only reason you make the trip is because it is a necessity to earn your day's pay. I personally think if there is ANY other way of doing it, one person travelling in a two ton gas guzzler is a hell of a waste. Just the insurance costs for driving to and from work are probably $300 a year. No wonder a person has to earn $25 or more an hour just to live!

 

[Nick Danger]

I would think when travelling to an from work, you'd want to do it the cheapest way possible. The only reason you make the trip is because it is a necessity to earn your day's pay. I personally think if there is ANY other way of doing it, one person travelling in a two ton gas guzzler is a hell of a waste. Just the insurance costs for driving to and from work are probably $300 a year. No wonder a person has to earn $25 or more an hour just to live!

Yet if you look around at rush hour in Vancouver, with a comprehensive transit system, single occupant vehicles vastly outnumber all the est. We are addicted to convenience.

 

[spilledthebeer]

There are plenty of shills on both sides of the fence on this one, people will believe what they want to believe even if it isn't based in fact.


I trust my eyes, and my ears when it comes to older folk who have seen the change in weather patterns first hand. There is no doubt in my mind that we are causing changes and if we can't at least slow that rate of change we are going to mess things up in a big and permanent way.



I watched the Alberta NDP strive to find some middle ground between economic health and environmental responsibility only to fall victim to a barrage of emotional manipulation by Kenney and his band of schemers and plotters. He whipped the province into a frenzy convincing everyone that all their woes were the fault of the NDP whose major drawback was inheriting a mess from decades of Conservative government. Now, barely having warmed the seat in the premier's office, he is taking swipes at middle/low wage earners, environmental programs and trade unions all to appease his buddies in the oil towers in Calgary.



I work in the oilsands, I've watched with my own eyes what has transpired since the oil price started dropping in 2014. I've learned to see past the BS.



Now we have this new crook-on-the-rise in Ottawa, little Andy Scheer, riding a wave of anti-Trudeau sentiment that most likely was engineered in some back room of his own party, bribing the voters with promises of personal prosperity. He's going to scrap the carbon tax but won't say what his plan is for the environment or how he will replace lost tax revenue. This is the way of politics in Canada, get them mad and keep them mad because an angry mind is not a thinking mind and they like it that way.

Oh what a LEFTIE LOON Danger is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He gives us a NICE CLUE to HIS FORM of political insanity....................by sneering at Kenney and at Scheer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then the Dangerous imbecile goes on to tell us NDP Notley tried to COMPROMISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Danger is so far left I doubt he even has a right hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He talks about people walking or taking a bicycle to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the process he EXPOSES HIS LUNATIC LEFTY MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHO in hell wants to be "served" by the poor sweat stained, dripping wet waitress who walked a km in searing summer heat from the nearest bus stop to her job????????????????


And who wants their Tim`s Treats served up by some poor shlub who waded a KM through torrential rains to get to the shop??????



Where I live- employers have slots on their job applications so the employer can judge which person is most likely to show up for the job in best condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Modern employers want to KNOW HOW you will be getting to their work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


They want to know the make, model, year and mileage of your car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are a kid and will be borrowing a car for rides from your parents..................................


then the employer wants DETAILS on the shifts your parents work and when they will let you have the car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The decent looking employee with THE BEST CAR GETS THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NO CAR EQUALS NO JOB..................................in a district where shift work is the NORM for new hires and where the public transit shuts down at 9PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals keep telling us that driving is a "privilege"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But just try getting or keeping a job in most of Canada WITHOUT A CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My old boss at the construction company ROUTINELY FIRED employees who did not have cars................................


just as soon as he could conveniently do so.....................................


simply because guys who need a ride are LESS LIKELY to show up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Those dependent on others for a ride....................................


may take time off for their own reasons...........................thus slowing company Biz.....................................


but they ALSO MUST take time off when the guy giving the ride takes time off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The modern employee is expected to be FAST AND MOBILE......................................


able to respond swiftly and come in for work whenever called by the boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Twenty years back - Toronto Red Star newspaper commented on a social experiment in Florida..........................


a charity group got hold of 50 decent used cars and handed them out to 50 welfare cases who hasd all been ON welfare for over 3



years- gave over the cars - complete with insurance papers..........



and then selected 50 other comparable welfare cases as a control group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In that one year experiment......................................


more than 3/4 of those who were given cars GOT WORK and got off welfare................................................


but of the control group.....................................................


only a tiny minority reported any change in their fiscal status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is for this reason that LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax SCAM will be STRONGLY RESISTED by ordinary Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals really wanted to do anything for the environment they would be shutting down airports and making people take trains or buses instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals had any real interest in the environment and were not simply using it as a screen to semi hide their gravy grabbing they



would be discouraging truck traffic between provinces and states and putting cargo onto more efficient trains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is a host if things LIE-berls could do to save the environment....................................


without destroying the lives of ordinary people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals SCORN ALL THE EASY solutions............................................


because it would cost them VOTES FROM HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[petros]

Pplease tell us of BS like 100 of 1000s of high paying jobs and people gone and an NDP GOVT upping taxes on people on pogey and in need of retraining?

I guess you weren't working there before they stopped using oil coke to refine product and converting to Natural Gas and scrubbing or upgrading tech found its way to AB from SK.

My Dad was a Mech Eng who spent 25YRS years redesigning and rebuilding refinery systems and on design and building the Western Hemisphere's first upgrader, adding NG to coal powerplants greatly increasing combustion of flue gases and reducing real pollution (SO2)Steel mills, pulp mills, smelters

That was during the first cap and trade experiment were oil companies made huge money on SO2.

After that they didn't hesitate creating a climate boogie man and CO2 Cap and Trade.


I told you once already. Big Oil is Big Renewables.

Back then nobody knew NG was so bloody abundant. We have a 1000 yr supply.

So now we have carbon taxes to get you to pay for the rest of industry to go CNG. Litre by litre you will pay for commercial buildings, buses, trucks, heavy equipment, ships,trains and airplanes. Yes CNG jets are coming, they already nail you a fuel surcharge and they will use your money to go CNG. They won't be going electric.

As soon as warranty is up on my tractor I'm converting it to CNG. CNG is about 12 cents per litre equivalent I'll save a buck o litre.

How much has a transit pass fallen now that cities went CNG.

BTW C-Train which got funding from Big O&G is the most used rapid transit system in North America and done by Klein.

Why did AB need a carbon tax? Buses and city fleets went CNG ages ago. In fact Snotley didn't want to pony up for the new LRT line in Calgary so they built a dedicated bus roadway on the "Greenline".

C-Train went backwards for f-ck sakes. Edmonton is getting there but O&G that funds it all took a dive.

It's worse in BC under the Dipshits. There is the Carbon Tax going in part to Translink, plus 17 cents/litre gas tax in Metro Vancouver to Translink and there is the 0.4% Transit Levy on your BC Hydro and Fortis bills.

SkySlug and buses have been running on clean hydro from day one.
Who would link taxes on electricity - most of which is generated from clean power - to subsidies to clean power and yet another TransLink tax When the government uses a Crown corporation to collect taxes, it eliminates the link between funding and spending, and accountability is lost.

The government brought in the ICE fund tax in September 2007 to collect $25 million to subsidize clean energy projects. The government applies this tax to all energy sources such as natural gas, propane, and home heating oil. But it also applies it to clean energy sources such as biodiesel blends and hydro. The ICE tax is a 0.4% tax on your electricity bill.

Once the ICE fund reaches $25 million, the tax is supposed to be eliminated. Unfortunately, one of the most enduring facts about taxes is their endurance; they live on even if their original purpose is gone. In fact, the province has 60 applications to the ICE fund grubbing for nearly $140 million in handouts. All it will take to keep the ICE tax going is a nod from Cabinet. As demand for government handouts from this fund is nearly six times higher than the funds available, we can expect this fuzzy, but not so warm, tax to continue.

It gets even fuzzier. The government imposed a Regional transit levy on utilities in 1984. BC Transit stopped taxing utilities more than a decade ago but TransLink, formed in 1999, brought the utility tax back. In fact, BC Hydro handed $17.2 million over to TransLink from this tax in 2006. This is on top of the $241 million in property taxes, $264 million in gasoline taxes, $20 million in parking site taxes and $11.5 million in parking sales taxes TransLink collected that same year.

All that f-cking money and you want me to stand on a bus or train? Everybody should have a seat. It's not Tokyo with 90% more people to move. There is no excuse. Why would I stand on transit when I can have a seat,

Do you know what the bread butter of lowered emission in BC was? Eliminating the 65km parking lot on Highway 1 with Pt Mann and the killer Hwy 17 which turned an hour and a half drive to the Ferries into 30 minutes. 1967 infrastructure for a city of 900,000 worked great in 1967 but not so great in 2009

There is another major15km parking lot that was to be eliminated. Horgan has been wasting peoples time an money for 3 years with no plan to replace the antiquated tunnels under the South Arm of the Fraser after cancelling the bridge designed for capacity 100 years from now. Don't get me started on the Queensboro. 44 min (28.5 km) Without traffic (say Google maps) to go from home to our test field in Northeast Delta from my home in Coquitlam. It's 2hrs in traffic to go 23km.

BC is f-cked.

 

[petros]

Yet if you look around at rush hour in Vancouver, with a comprehensive transit system, single occupant vehicles vastly outnumber all the est. We are addicted to convenience.

Because the infrastructure wasn't touched for 45 years.

SkySlug sucks. 30 minutes quicker to drive from home in Coquitlam To BBY Mtn even being 1km from The NeverGreen line.

I can sit, crank up the Beethoven, and not stand with unhappy people and all their diseases.

C-Train kicks SkySlug's ass.

 

[JLM]

It's worse in BC under the Dipshits. There is the Carbon Tax going in part to Translink, plus 17 cents/litre gas tax in Metro Vancouver to Translink and there is the 0.4% Transit Levy on your BC Hydro and Fortis bills.

SkySlug and buses have been running on clean hydro from day one.
Who would link taxes on electricity - most of which is generated from clean power - to subsidies to clean power and yet another TransLink tax When the government uses a Crown corporation to collect taxes, it eliminates the link between funding and spending, and accountability is lost.

The government brought in the ICE fund tax in September 2007 to collect $25 million to subsidize clean energy projects. The government applies this tax to all energy sources such as natural gas, propane, and home heating oil. But it also applies it to clean energy sources such as biodiesel blends and hydro. The ICE tax is a 0.4% tax on your electricity bill.

Once the ICE fund reaches $25 million, the tax is supposed to be eliminated. Unfortunately, one of the most enduring facts about taxes is their endurance; they live on even if their original purpose is gone. In fact, the province has 60 applications to the ICE fund grubbing for nearly $140 million in handouts. All it will take to keep the ICE tax going is a nod from Cabinet. As demand for government handouts from this fund is nearly six times higher than the funds available, we can expect this fuzzy, but not so warm, tax to continue.

It gets even fuzzier. The government imposed a Regional transit levy on utilities in 1984. BC Transit stopped taxing utilities more than a decade ago but TransLink, formed in 1999, brought the utility tax back. In fact, BC Hydro handed $17.2 million over to TransLink from this tax in 2006. This is on top of the $241 million in property taxes, $264 million in gasoline taxes, $20 million in parking site taxes and $11.5 million in parking sales taxes TransLink collected that same year.

All that f-cking money and you want me to stand on a bus or train? Everybody should have a seat. It's not Tokyo with 90% more people to move. There is no excuse. Why would I stand on transit when I can have a seat,

Do you know what the bread butter of lowered emission in BC was? Eliminating the 65km parking lot on Highway 1 with Pt Mann and the killer Hwy 17 which turned an hour and a half drive to the Ferries into 30 minutes. 1967 infrastructure for a city of 900,000 worked great in 1967 but not so great in 2009

There is another major15km parking lot that was to be eliminated. Horgan has been wasting peoples time an money for 3 years with no plan to replace the antiquated tunnels under the South Arm of the Fraser after cancelling the bridge designed for capacity 100 years from now. Don't get me started on the Queensboro. 44 min (28.5 km) Without traffic (say Google maps) to go from home to our test field in Northeast Delta from my home in Coquitlam. It's 2hrs in traffic to go 23km.

BC is f-cked.

If the Gov't was smart they wouldn't waste another nickel on infrastructure between Abbotsford and Horseshoe Bay and Tsawassen. What do you think will happen? Probably for a little while people will start leaving earlier and getting home later, but before it goes very far, some will start walking the shorter distances and riding bicycles for slightly longer distances and riding the bus or the train for longer distances and some will opt for the likes of Smart cars. People will do what they have to do, otherwise they are going to starve to death. A few will get fat and fall over with a heart attack. The incessant insanity of laying more and more concrete and asphalt has to come to a stop.

 

[petros]

 

[petros]

If the Gov't was smart they wouldn't waste another nickel on infrastructure between Abbotsford and Horseshoe Bay and Tsawassen. What do you think will happen? Probably for a little while people will start leaving earlier and getting home later, but before it goes very far, some will start walking the shorter distances and riding bicycles for slightly longer distances and riding the bus or the train for longer distances and some will opt for the likes of Smart cars. People will do what they have to do, otherwise they are going to starve to death. A few will get fat and fall over with a heart attack. The incessant insanity of laying more and more concrete and asphalt has to come to a stop.

it's easy to get from Abbotsford to Horseshoe or Tswassen now. Except Friday Saturday and Sunday to Horseshoe. Iron Workers Bridge is too small. Whistler traffic.

Hwy 17 has maybe 5 traffic lights and you cruise at 100 except through Bridgeview.

 

[Johnnny]

Nothing glamorous. In the old days we would have been called "bullcooks". I have education and a trade ticket, highly employable down south, but the money in making beds and mopping floors is just silly.

Trades?

You don't have you're red seal is what you are saying

 

[JLM]

it's easy to get from Abbotsford to Horseshoe or Tswassen now. Except Friday Saturday and Sunday to Horseshoe. Iron Workers Bridge is too small. Whistler traffic.

Hwy 17 has maybe 5 traffic lights and you cruise at 100 except through Bridgeview.

If we spend money enlarging the Ironworkers' Bridge, we'll be doing it again in 10 years!

 

[petros]

If we spend money enlarging the Ironworkers' Bridge, we'll be doing it again in 10 years!

If it survives the overdue by 200 yrs "big one". The built up energy of the 3 plates is predicted to be enough to lift the island by 10m and move it 30m North.

Patullo, Queensboro and Knight St bridges will drop too. Port Mann would have been included which would have left only Hwy 7 open.

It's only by luck it's gone this long.

Personally I feel it will be the best thing to ever happen to the region since the Spanish sailed past. If the Juan de Fuca plate teeters even 1m toward the continent the Tsunami will wipe out Puget Sound and Georgia Strait and will slosh from shore to shore.

I can't wait for God to cleanse the filth.

 

[JLM]

If it survives the overdue by 200 yrs "big one". The built up energy of the 3 plates is predicted to be enough to lift the island by 10m and move it 30m North.

Patullo, Queensboro and Knight St bridges will drop too. Port Mann would have been included which would have left only Hwy 7 open.

It's only by luck it's gone this long.

Personally I feel it will be the best thing to ever happen to the region since the Spanish sailed past. If the Juan de Fuca plate teeters even 1m toward the continent the Tsunami will wipe out Puget Sound and Georgia Strait and will slosh from shore to shore.

I can't wait for God to cleanse the filth.

You better find a high knoll to stand on!


The last "big one" on the west coast happened Jan. 26, 1700. Tsunami hit Japan.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Just saw on the news you are getting a little Global warming in SK, Pete! Time to peel off the Stanfields!

Those two days of Global Warming passed. Yesterday as 6pm is was +31C, & this morning at 6am it was +6C...