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  1. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Surely you know that the Wisconsin Glaciation was marked by glacial retreat and advancement. Changing orbital parameters does not mean that the North Pole changed it's orientation to the surface of our planet...it means that the entire planet would experience changes in the insolation that any...
  2. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    No, the moving planetary axis explains why the ice is found where it is, and why carbon dioxide changed as it did.
  3. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    There's lots of funny things they say in that paper. Hence the comment.
  4. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    OK. What's happening now is the interglacial that was edging towards another ice age has been halted by our unintended efforts at increasing the opacity of our atmosphere to infrared radiation. The preponderance of past periods of glaciation is related directly to what we are doing now. The...
  5. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    A fool would jump to conclusions without more data. Your source doesn't have data, proxy or otherwise for the "H changement annual" whatever that is, before the 1960's, even though it assures us that these changes are consistent with magnetic burps that happened earlier in the century. More...
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    What to do about global warming

    Yes, I think you get it now. The analogy I gave was in response to your type of thinking. You gave one example, and that example has actually been shown to be wonky numbers. You didn't make any kind of comparison, you said "The Spanish example wasn't enough?" Well, no it isn't. First, it...
  7. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    No, you misunderstand. What contradictory evidence has been presented here? That is my question. You brought it up. So, which evidence am I not responding to? Which evidence am I not addressing? You say my treatment is to bash the poster and then call them a denier. I bash the idea, give a link...
  8. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Because they didn't need to think of that. Nobody in WG1 needs a lesson in introductory atmospheric physics.
  9. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    The thing is, it's not even new science. But in today's world, one can just repeat something they ran across on the internet. Goes back to that blog Avro posted. A lie spreads around the world in a day, but takes much much longer to address, and some will still believe the lie after it's been...
  10. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    What contradictory evidence? I call you guys deniers, because that is exactly what you do...I gave Scott Free a reference that discusses the effects of collisions between molecules on the spectra, and he continues to say that the atmosphere is saturated. Based on what? He's denying established...
  11. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    You said: "No one is trounced. Skeptics just lose their funding and get black listed by their peers." 'Just' is not general. I wonder how many are trounced because...their work isn't very good, because it's not consistent with reality or good methodology? There was a paper last year, by...
  12. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    So your contention is that they are losing funding? How does Roger Pielke Sr. get 460 citations, the 68th most cited climatologist if he has no funding? He doesn't seem to have any hardship publishing.
  13. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    You said carbon traps heat, that is a cause, and an effect...
  14. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Spot the contradiction: See it? Where does one find this black list?
  15. Tonington

    A very bad idea, the 2011 census long form will be voluntary

    So, apparently in 2011, the long-form will not be mandatory. Previously, the form was sent to approximately a fifth of Canadian households of which the response was mandatory. Now it will be replaced by more forms, only the response will be voluntary. This is not good news. Some might find...
  16. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    So: 1. What type of energy is in flux here? 2. What is the magnitude and direction the flux changed in? Can we estimate the forcing it imposes on our climate? 3. What kinds of predictions does this allow you to make, about the trajectory of our climate over the next few decades, and out to...
  17. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    No, and this is the part you and he both seem to have problems with. Science is falsifiable. You can post a link to a study which finds contradicting evidence to that I posted, or that refutes a portion of the study which renders it's conclusions in err. If you can't, well then in the face of...
  18. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    And not substantiated. He does employ misinformation. The greenhouse effect is not saturated. I call a spade a spade. Maybe that's childish to you. I never said I was the definitive source. See, that is an actual strawman. I posted scientific studies that refute his position. He doesn't address...
  19. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Because when you're pressed, you start making excuses about science being this or that. Your computer is made possible by advances in science. Our understanding of the climate is made possible by advances in science. No, you didn't. You can't ever shoot straight. Are you a politician? Yes, you...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    No, GW is just a phenomenon. Science gives us methods to test what causes the phenomenon. SCIENCE has tested different climate forcings, using KNOWN physics, and the outcome is that no other climate forcing resembles what is happening in our climate system. Then you say it's a belief, not...