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  1. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    Not supported by evidence? What planet are you on? Which evidence would you like to see? Are we talking about the declining health of the world ocean? Can you even name one instance where I say a system will provide a cure? I don't think you've been paying attention to the things I say. It's...
  2. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    I wonder if Extra could tell us what sort of subsidies these wind producers are getting? Can we afford to give producers a 1.5 cent per killowatt hour tax credit? If my fictional company builds wind turbines, the government makes money off us, but the amount the tax man collects is a little...
  3. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Agenda driven messages? Isn't that kind of a given? If you're trying to communicate a message, there obviously must be a reason for it, a goal. That's an agenda. At some point, the science has to inform the policy. Anyone who believes we can't have informed policy makers on this issue, simply...
  4. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    *shocker* Mike Hulme has replied on his website to the phoney claims attributed to him by Lawrence Soloman, in his National Post article that you linked to Goober. Read it here: http://mikehulme.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Correcting-reports-of-the-PiPG-paper.pdf Of Soloman? Yup, but I've...
  5. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    Yes, a favourite trick....label someone an alarmist because they've measured something. They say the same thing about oceanographers and marine biologists who've measured the decline in large fish, the decline of coral eco-systems, the decline of sea life now in general, and the rise of...
  6. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    And according to some the world is flat. In case you hadn't noticed what I did, I picked a common goal, not an extreme end of the tail. If you choose to define everything against extremes that's up to you. What to do about global warming is a political question, and I have yet to see, of all the...
  7. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    More on subsidies, from the IEA: The IEA analysis has revealed that fossil fuel consumption subsidies amounted to $557 billion in 2008. This represents a big increase from $342 billion in 2007. Half of a trillion dollars...if it's possible, imagine what could be done with half a trillion...
  8. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    You can repeat that as many times as you want, it still won't be true. Scientists know what fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate. They have found the fingerprint of an apparent enhanced greenhouse warming in our climate system. They know how much of our emissions...
  9. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    The cold weather in Europe over the past almost year is due to a very well known circulation in our atmosphere, it's a called the northern annular mode, or Arctic oscillation. It's been predominantly in the negative phase over that time, and severely so for the winter. More than that, the...
  10. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Not really. I expect that any large group will make mistakes. Perfection is an impossible ideal to hold. If they don't change their practices that lead to the mistakes, then yes I think they will have lost some credibility. We won't know that for some time now. Next week they will be announcing...
  11. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    What contrary data? I've seen just about every argument you can imagine that try's to link the sun to the climate change we see now. It's lacking in predictive ability, and not physically consistent with what we see now. And I'm not a scientist.
  12. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    So I went to read his paper. Got this part, and had to stop from choking: My emphasis. This is complete bull $hit. Would you like to know why Goober? The IPCC is split up into three working groups. Working group I is the physical basis. Working group II is the impacts and adaptation to climate...
  13. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    Subsidies:
  14. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Climate "skeptics" are easilly duped it appears: Meanwhile, the real story, from a real skeptic: It gets stranger yet. The father may have made it all up. He appears to be a serial liar...
  15. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    I mean the goal is eventually to get it to zero emissions or close to it, because the oceans will continue to absorb excess carbon dioxide, and that's another problem. But one thing at a time. Unless you're Extra, apparently. :D
  16. Tonington

    What to do about global warming

    ? Do you get the terms we're talking about? If the atmospheric concentration levels out, then we have reduced emissions to a point where the carbon cycle budget is balanced. That is the goal, a balanced system. The goal is not a number, it's a state. Remains to be tried. The majority of...
  17. Tonington

    Our cooling world

    That's categorically untrue. Scientists know what the fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate. They have found the fingerprint of an apparent enhanced greenhouse warming in our climate system. They know how much of our emissions are being absorbed by the oceans and...
  18. Tonington

    Our cooling world

    Pretty steep drop from that late season maximum...
  19. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Abraham reply to Monckton Guest post by John Abraham Dear Mr. Monckton, Thank you for taking the time to comment on my presentation. I encourage people to view both of our arguments and make their own conclusions. I stand by my work and welcome judgment by the public and the...
  20. Tonington

    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Monckton would have to belong to an ethical organization before he could be called before an ethics board. Fat chance of that!