Why The Towers Fell

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Gov't says FBI agents can't testify about 9/11


http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=25438

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My dear q,

You are a serious detriment to this site. I have no more to say to you because you are breathing air that rightfully belongs to someone else.
I will say this though, you have repeatedly said that you do not care what others here think of you....I will call you on that as a lie.
Live long and prosper.
My best to you in future endeavours.
My Best Regards to You and Yours,
scratch

 

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The World Trade Center Attack

The seven-building complex comprising the World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan was totally destroyed in the 9/11/01 attack. News reports emphasized the impacts of the 767 jetliners with the Twin Towers and the ensuing fires. Yet these events, spectacular and deadly, produced far less loss of life, and relatively little destruction compared to the total collapses of the towers and Building 7 that followed.
Buildings 1 Through 6

World Trade Center buildings One through Six occupied a super-block bounded by West, Vesey, Church, and Liberty Streets. The Twin Towers, or 1 and 2 World Trade Center, exploded into small pieces and fine dust, severely damaging the four low-rise buildings in the complex surrounding them. Large portions of Buildings 3, 4, and 6 were crushed. Severe fires raged in Buildings 4, 5, and 6 for several hours following the explosions of the towers.

Our analysis of the destruction of the Twin Towers divides the events into four parts: Building 7

Building 7, or 7 World Trade Center, occupied its own block across Vesey Street from the WTC complex. Although projectiles hurled in all directions by the exploding towers caused extensive superficial damage to buildings surrounding the WTC complex, including gashes in 3 Financial Center to the west and the Bankers Trust Building to the south, they did not produce severe structural damage to those buildings. No photographs of 7 World Trade Center that can be corroborated by other photographs or videos show significant structural damage to it. Yet the building collapsed totally at 5:20 PM, showing all the features of a standard controlled demolition. FEMA's inconclusive report tentatively blamed the collapse on small fires that burned for most of the afternoon.
e x c e r p t title: Waking Up From Our Nightmare authors: Don Paul and Jim Hoffman A question arises from the obvious demolition of WTC 7: Why destroy such a valuable piece of real estate?
We know that WTC7's developer and lease-holder, Silverstein Properties, and WTC7's mortgage-holders, the Blackstone Group, Banc of America Securities, and General Motors Acceptance Corporation, received a Court-awarded amount of $861 million dollars from Industrial Risk Insurers in February 2002. We know that about $386 million had been invested in WTC7 before its destruction. The Court-award meant that Silverstein Properties and the mortgage-holders would share in about $475 million of profit. [SIZE=-1][8][/SIZE]
Silverstein Properties is headed by Larry Silverstein, a large contributor to Democrat and Republican office-holders. Silverstein Properties became the primary owner of the WTC Twin Towers less than two months before 9/11/01 (Westfield Malls was Silverstein Properties' minority-partner). Buying from the New York Port Authority, Silverstein Properties invested only $15 million toward a total purchase-price of $3.2 billion for a 99-year lease on holdings worth an estimated $8 billion. The low-rise office buildings WTC 4, 5, and 6, and 400,000 square feet of retail space were included with the Twin Towers in this deal. Silverstein Properties immediately took out extensive insurance policies on its new holdings.
One clause in Silverstein Properties' insurance policies for the new WTC holdings soon proved instrumental. Quoting the British Financial Times of September 14, 2001, the American Reporter wrote that ‘ the lease has an all-important escape clause: If the buildings are struck by “an act of terrorism”, the new owners' obligations under the lease are void. As a result, the new owners are not required to make any payments under their lease, but they will be able to collect on the loss of the buildings that collapsed or were otherwise destroyed and damaged in the attacks. ’ [SIZE=-1][9][/SIZE] Silverstein Properties is still contesting the amount of pay-out due for destruction of the Twin Towers—$3.55 billion for one ‘occurrence’ or $7.1 billion for two ‘occurrences’. The “terrorism” clause in his lease has given Larry Silverstein leverage in negotiating his new deal for the site. [SIZE=-1][10][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]8.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]‘Rebuilding Begins for 7 WTC Despite Unanswered Questions’, Peter Grant, Wall Street Journal, July 10, 2002, http://homes.wsj.com/columnists_com/bricks/20020710-bricks.html . [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]9.[/SIZE] [SIZE=-1]‘No Fraud, but Huge Profits Seen in World Trade Center Attacks’, Joe Shea, The American Reporter, August 1, 2004, reprinting piece from September 2001, http://www.american-reporter.com/2,421W/1494.html . [/SIZE]
http://911review.com/attack/wtc/index.html
 

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The top-to-bottom explosions of the Towers were the most shocking events of the 9/11 attack, and they may have been more lethal than the combined effects of the impacts and fires.
  • The jet impacts killed tens of people.
    Not counting the victims on the jets, the impacts may have killed less than one hundred people in each case.
  • The fires killed hundreds of people.
    The jet impacts trapped hundreds of people above the crash zones in both cases. People on the 15 floors above the crash zone in the North Tower were unable to escape, and were asphyxiated by the smoke from the fires below. Dozens jumped to their deaths. Of the people on the 30 floors above the crash zone in the South Tower, at least 18 were able to escape. The South Tower fires apparently did not fill the top of the building with smoke, and hundreds of people there were still alive when the building collapsed.
  • The collapses killed hundreds of people.
    When the South Tower exploded, it killed several hundred people between those in the building above and below the crash zone, and those on the street who were unable to outrun the descending rubble. When the North Tower exploded, it killed hundreds of emergency responders inside of the building.
 

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Evidence Destruction at Ground Zero

"Ground zero" is a technical term dating back to the 1940s describing the point on the earth's surface at, above, or below the center of a nuclear detonation. "Ground Zero" became a proper noun on September 11, 2001, to describe the devastated remains of the World Trade Center complex. The designation was fitting since Lower Manhattan did indeed look as if it had been hit by a nuclear blast.
Ground Zero was the site of one of the largest evidence destruction operations in history. It was the scene of the mass murder of nearly 3000 people. Believing the official myth that Osama bin Laden's cells of hijackers piloted the 767s into the Twin Towers does little to diminish the importance of the remains of the towers and Building 7 as evidence, since the collapse of these three skyscrapers contradicts the entire history of engineered steel structures. Yet the remains of these buildings were systematically removed and destroyed, and their examination was rendered impossible.
 

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Brainwashed America

Brainwashed America

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SjCvrR641lw

First, I don't know why so many people got nuts about it, it was funny, especially the Bin Laden Part.
But the best part is, as they say in the old manchurian candidate movie, if I've been brainwashed, this video left me dry cleaned!

Hearing all those ****ing nuts with their depressing fear mongering take on life is bad, but when you hear it over and over and over like that it just breaks down into just sound, just noises, and you get this big feeling of relief, like, they are just noises they keep putting out to keep us all scared, but when you hear it fast enough you can have a good laugh at how ridiculous they sound. Especially when they're saying "evil...poison gas.. nuclear weapons...diabolical weapons...the most dangerous weapons" and finally I just laughed at it, because it's so ridiculous to me. If people from ten years ago could see how much our politics is now dominated with this **** they would think we were all idiots, seriously, morons to fall for such blatant fear mongering.
 

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http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030804/scheer20030729
The fact is, Riyadh, unlike Baghdad, has long been a key hotbed of extremist Muslim organizing. By shielding and nurturing our relationship with the Saudi sheiks, Bush & Son have provided cover for those who support terror.


So why make 15 of the 19 hijackers Saudis? If Bush concocted the whole thing, it would have been just as easy to make them all Pakistani's, or Libyans, or better yet Iraqi's and Iranians. Why invent Saudi terrorists when you're in bed with the Saudi's?
 

lone wolf

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So why make 15 of the 19 hijackers Saudis? If Bush concocted the whole thing, it would have been just as easy to make them all Pakistani's, or Libyans, or better yet Iraqi's and Iranians. Why invent Saudi terrorists when you're in bed with the Saudi's?

Let's be serious here.... How many Americans could actually find Pakistan, Libya, Iraq or Iran on a map - let alone associate them with anything Muslim. Saudi Arabia says sheet-hatted bad guy - whether the politicians are fleecing them or not.

Sorry, that's not intended to sound as anti-American as it does. It is supposed to reflect the comfortable complacency behind safe and secure American walls ... and the niavete that let it all happen.
 

Just the Facts

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The photograph in question 4 shows a truck pouring sand over the lawn of the Pentagon. Behind it a bulldozer is seen spreading gravel over the turf.

Can you explain why the Defence Secretary deemed it necessary to sand over the lawn, which was otherwise undamaged after the attack?

did you look at this and read what it said no oh how convenient

:p:p Yeah by this point there were hundreds if not thousand of spectators watching from the freeway. But sshhhhh, no plane here folks, nevermind those trucks dumping gravel, you see nothing!!! :p:p

Not to mention media all over the place. Who took the picture of the trucks in the first place, if this was such a clandestine burial of evidence?
 

Just the Facts

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These highly-placed European experts rejected "the men in caves" hypothesis as utterly implausible because the 9/11 operation needed the resources of a major state intelligence operation operating within the US

Ummmm, no. All it required was some rudimentary piloting skill, some muscle (thugs), and plane tickets. Oh, and a desire to be a martyr. 9/11 was ingenious in it's simplicity.
 

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You know what has always bothered me about these Pentagon debris field pics? You have all these people running around in suits, garrison togs and FBI blazers. They're gingerly handling bits and pieces of aluminum and unidentifiable stuff. Whether they're picking it up or placing it doesn't matter because while they're sauntering around, they're disturbing the hell out of a site which, in every circumstance I have ever seen (and in a former career, I saw a few) NTSB would be cataloguing evidence and photographing details in their extremely anal grid patterns. I have said my piece about the Pentagon crash and Flight 93 many times. So far, I have seen no compelling evidence to sway me from my suspicions of foul play.
 
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Let's be serious here.... How many Americans could actually find Pakistan, Libya, Iraq or Iran on a map - let alone associate them with anything Muslim.

Perhaps, but it doesn't really matter. If you're performing a false flag operation to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, and most CT's say Iran is in the works, why use Saudi's? Why not just create Afghani, Iraqi and Iranian terrorists?
 

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Sorry if this has been posted already, but I found it an interesting read.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
This is too weird,people actually wrote books about whether or not a plane crashed into the pentgon? Holy f**k, Osama has probably died from laughing his evil head off.You ct's are mental,basically mental,there is no hope for you. You will end your days explaining life and why you were given the shaft to Missy,your cat.
 

Just the Facts

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You know what has always bothered me about these Pentagon debris field pics? You have all these people running around in suits, garisson togs and FBI blazers. They're gingerly handling bits and pieces of aluminum and unidentifiable stuff. Whether they're picking it up or placing it doesn't matter because while they're sauntering around, they're disturbing the hell out of a site which, in every circumstance I have ever seen (and in a former career, I saw a few) NTSB would be cataloguing evidence and photographing details in their extremely anal grid patterns. I have said my piece about the Pentagon crash and Flight 93 many times. So far, I have seen no compelling evidence to sway me from my suspicions of foul play.

Didn't you watch the OJ trial? He got away with murder largely for that exact reason....sloppy handling of the crime scene.

Doesn't really sway me one way or the other to see official incompetence.
 

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Didn't you watch the OJ trial? He got away with murder largely for that exact reason....sloppy handling of the crime scene.

Doesn't really sway me one way or the other to see official incompetence.

It's been my opinion about this whole 9/11 mess it was official incompetence and gross negligence that allowed four airliners to go rogue in the most controlled airspace in the world - followed by a great many cover-ups to prevent responsible butts from being spanked. Uncle Sam just got too cock-sure and bulletproof. When that happens, some home-spun ass is sure to get kicked. I am familiar with another era ... a time when vigilance meant everything. The Cold War was dead and had been for a decade. It-can't-happen-to-me is a very stupid thing to believe.
 
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Perhaps, but it doesn't really matter. If you're performing a false flag operation to attack Afghanistan and Iraq, and most CT's say Iran is in the works, why use Saudi's? Why not just create Afghani, Iraqi and Iranian terrorists?

When you want to strike and strike fast, the last thing you want the public asking is "Wh-who?" They already know Saudis. They're the ones making it too expensive to drive the ol' pick-up to the mall. That part's easy. If you throw 'em a new enemy, then you have to answer questions and you just know someone's going to be watching a lot closer than the propaganda machine can cover.
 
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