Will the sheep re-elect McLiberals again?

jwmcq625

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On this thread there has been talk of a weak justice system, poor educational results, healthcare in decline. Well all this is nothing new right across Canada, partly because we had Liberal rule in Ottawa for so long with their leftist ideals. We might just as well have put the NDP into Ottawa because between the Liberals and the NDP there is virtually no difference, both occupy the left, and both want government to be all things to all people, from birth to death. In order to accomplish this, a huge bureaucracy is required, and Big Government means a bigger and bigger tax bite to pay for all of this bureaucracy.

The problem is that across Canada we have 10 provinces and the Territories all doing their own little thing instead of one specific standard right across the country. In healthcare, much of the new money has been spent on building a larger administration instead of spending this money on either medical equipment and medical personnel and their support staff. Hospitals are dirtier than they have ever been because whenever these administative types want to appear as if they are really doing something , they lay off the lowest people on the personnel ladder and that just happens to be the very people who used to keep the hospitals clean. That contention came from the Canadian Medical Society, when they were discussing the growing rate of Staph infections contracted while in hospital.

Let's look at the justice system for a second, with Liberal governments comes the appointments of liberal minded justices (bleeding-hearts) to the bench, so that instead of sentencing someone to actually serve time behind bars they send them back home on House Arrest, with virtually no monitoring to ensure they haven't resumed business as usual. Does it make sense to anyone to send a drug dealer to house arrest when he did most of his dealing from the very house they are sending him back home to, supposedly incarcerated? Sex offenders, pedophiles, and others who have committed violent crimes are more and more being given house arrest instead of jail. God forbid we put these misunderstood people somewhere that might further damage their phyche.

What we need in Ontario and across the country is lean and mean government who has programs that step in to help the poor, a strong justice system that puts criminals where they belong (behind bars), a healthcare system that is in the business of treating sick people, with the proper numbers of medical personnel and support personnel, and without umpteen levels of administration whose only function is to produce reports that nobody will ever read, just to justify their paycheques. My own family doctor told me he had an adminstrations administrator write him up for keeping patients in beds too long. He told me that he had never been second guessed like that before, and he said he told her that just as soon as she has MD after her name she can question him on medical decisions. I live in NB and the last government instituted a new Health Act, that dictates that doctors can only serve on the Boards of the Healthcare Corporations in an advisory capacity only. In other words they cannot vote nor do they have any actual clout even when it comes down to making decisions regarding medical questions. Those decisions are left up to the voting members of the Board who are appointed by politicians, and they are from the business community and lawyers. They need not have any expertise as far as medicine goes, so decision that are made are made strictly as business decisions that reflect the bottom line, health concerns are not part of their mandate. I suspect that is happening in other provinces as well, since politicians and bureaucrats like to have things fit into nice neat boxes. They do not like the thought that medically, their decisions may not be in the best interests of the patients.
 

Locutus

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You have a doctor!?!? I have a cardiologist - only because a clinic doctor referred me. My health is gonna go for a dump again because I have to think twice about that wait in ER....

McGuinty didn't fix it ... and Harris broke it.

Wolf

Ontario can still be the first impression the world sees about Canada too. So all the come and gone federal governments are just as apathetic and partially responsible.

It's nothing to be a proud Canadian about (Harper and McGuinty), in any province or territory. The tales are similar and shameful. Enough passing the friggin' buck here Canada. Take back your country or province and demand change. Let's be proud and assured again.
 

MikeyDB

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The Canadian voter, whether it's municipal provincial or federal is always placed in the position of having to choose the "lesser-of-two-evils", the devil you know for the devil you don't, because they don't have any other way of keeping government under the control of the people who are casting their votes. Political partys' and affiliations among trade groups, professional groups, religious groups, ...you name it...are afforded greater leverage among politicians because they get "in there" first at meetings where coporate interests dictate national policy.

A philosophy, a credo that endorses concepts like the inviobility of notions like "free trade" and "supply/demand economics" won't be terribly receptive to ideas like taking care of your elderly, your returning veterans, the handicapped etc. etc., when the dynamics of consumerism play a larger role than all the altruism anyone can muster.

Challenges must and can be met by a society that is prepared to balance the necessities of continued fiscal prosperity with the demands of an aging...longer...living demographic. We have seen and will continue to see the consequences of unbridled "prosperity" for years to come. "Global Warming" is after all just a "dot" on the horizon......right?
 

lone wolf

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What we need and what we will get are two different things. Too many people believe government should be run like a business. Business cares only about profit. Whoever suffers in order for greedy money people to have it all doesn't matter.

Fortunately, business does not usually have the power of life or death. Government does. Their decisions make people die while waiting for medical care. Their decisions force people to resort to crime to put food on the table. Their decisions mean the difference between a job staying here or moving to an out-of-province location.

Government and business are two different things and the sooner those heartless bas*ards who pull the strings realize it, the better off we'll all be.

Wolf
 

lone wolf

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Damn.... I'd have hated to see what would have happened here had Harris stayed in power into the Harper years. He was one of Day's cheerleaders ... and the words "common sense" cropped up.

Tory is reaching. It's obvious he can't go to the States and talk to every doctor who abandoned a practice here for freedom there, let alone recruit any. Harris left a stain that even social conservatism isn't going to lift. Shades of Mulroney!

My grandfather said it well many years ago. Get a Conservative government and the poor folks starve.

Wolf
 

Walter

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Get a Conservative government and the poor folks starve.
Not if they want to work; and there's plenty of that, all you have to do is check any newspaper or walk through any retail area, in any part of the country.
 
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Sal

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Yeah me I wire da house an I put all the light on one fuse, eh, an all a plug on a odder an I put da toast on an da light she go dim. My toaster fuk?

Private lab.... Where was the Provincial Ministry of Health who oversees the local Health Boards who used to take care of municipal water supplies as well as the well? Yeah ... stupid two-by-four couldn't support the weight of the whole building....

Wolf

THAT was frickin' funny!
 

lone wolf

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Not if they want to work; and there's plenty of that, all you have to do is check any newspaper or walk through any retail area, in any part of the country.

Hey, I'd love to be working. I hear big wheels rolling by in the moonlight and I want to be in the drivin' chair of every one of them. That just ain't gonna happen. Heart, everlasting pain, pinched nerves, medication... What do you suppose the chances are of me limping into your office - with all this white hair and a huge gap in the resumé, saying: "I want a job", and you're gonna say: "Welcome aboard. Here's a Pete with your name on it" Can I have some of what you're on?

Retail? Who can afford to live on minimum wage? With the meds, I'm better off on social services. I'm disabled, yet I'm treated like I want to be this way. Your dear old Mikey called me a lazy bas*ard because I was stuck on welfare due to his version of common sense. He just happened to be in his North Bay office the day I called my MLA about a huge problem I was having with ODSP. I offered to drive any truck he wanted to put me in, any time, and cruise up and down #400 and #11 highways 24/7 - as long as he promised to be in the car in front of me. Look a little deeper than the "he's not woking" tag, eh?

http://journals.aol.com/lone56wolf/i-should-have..../

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lone wolf

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Howcomewhyizzit Libs are promising more funding for breast cancer detection - a very good thing - but the best test for prostate cancer (PST - where the guy doesn't feel let down because doc isn't into foreplay) is still not covered by OHIP? Discrimination?...

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Sal

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Howcomewhyizzit Libs are promising more funding for breast cancer detection - a very good thing - but the best test for prostate cancer (PST - where the guy doesn't feel let down because doc isn't into foreplay) is still not covered by OHIP? Discrimination?...

Wolf

Because everyone knows your nether regions are nothing compared to our fat deposits. You can even ask other guys, they'd agree with me.
 

Tonington

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Not if they want to work; and there's plenty of that, all you have to do is check any newspaper or walk through any retail area, in any part of the country.

You're assuming poor=unemployed.
 

lone wolf

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Many people make ends meet in retail.

Is "making ends meet" just getting by or living in a certain amount of comfort?
Is "making ends meet" having to choose between food or rent?
Is "making ends meet" keeping your kid from playing team sports?
Is "making ends meet" having to do without certain prescriptions?
Is "making ends meet" leaving one bill out of the hat every month?
Is "making ends meet" hoping the car will make it through the probe?
Is "making ends meet" driving without car insurance because the province let that go wild too?
Is "making ends meet" what people living in one of the wealthiest provinces in Canada really deserve?

Wolf
 

YoungJoonKim

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That, or they were goof-offs while in school.
...Holly..molly..
I have no comment..because that sounds really disturbing.
Why?
Because, sir, goofing off has nothing to do with many people...
Things happen in their LIFE.
 

YoungJoonKim

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Is "making ends meet" just getting by or living in a certain amount of comfort?
Is "making ends meet" having to choose between food or rent?
Is "making ends meet" keeping your kid from playing team sports?
Is "making ends meet" having to do without certain prescriptions?
Is "making ends meet" leaving one bill out of the hat every month?
Is "making ends meet" hoping the car will make it through the probe?
Is "making ends meet" driving without car insurance because the province let that go wild too?
Is "making ends meet" what people living in one of the wealthiest provinces in Canada really deserve?

Wolf

This happens when a institution loves to treat its employees lowest way as possible to save money.
Well...I won't be specific..:D..
Let se..ummm..you're nearest store..its everywhere...
The Big Blue Signs..
The stupid yellow smiles..
Oh....Wal Mart!
But not all institutions are like that..and as a result, reducing who might be the description of what you said.

Yes, let's blame job provider lol