Will the sheep re-elect McLiberals again?

lone wolf

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That, or they were goof-offs while in school.

That is about the stupidest thing you've said yet - typically rabid right. Try assuming it was someone who worked in the lumber industry but the sell-out to the states or Quebec cost him/her a good-paying job and the replacement was Mcdonalds
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Niflmir

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Are we talking about how retail jobs are the fastest growing employment sector in Canada? Are we relating it to the jobs lost in manufacturing where there were health benefits and retirement packages? Has anyone mentioned how the GDP is growing faster than the CPI yet the modal wage has stagnated to the CPI?
 

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Are we talking about how retail jobs are the fastest growing employment sector in Canada? Are we relating it to the jobs lost in manufacturing where there were health benefits and retirement packages? Has anyone mentioned how the GDP is growing faster than the CPI yet the modal wage has stagnated to the CPI?

Mostly it's about how pretty things look from the top....

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The libs will continue to tax you all to death yet some of us seem to be alright with that. Not to mention the constant lying. I hate that.

Tax me Amadeus.
 

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Have Ontario residents smartened-up yet?

Are they still easily pacified by the lying fiberals?

Is the McGuilty fan club as dumb as ever?

Voters, please share your thoughts.

The sheep are still afraid of the Mike Harris politics of division.
 

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The sheep are still afraid of the Mike Harris politics of division.


Just curious...what is the protocol or even the statute of ridiculous limitaions on blaming or using as a crutch, a previous government or particular leader? Is the NDP still a bunch of weiners based on what Bob Rae did? Does McGuinty share Peterson's blame for funding Catholic schools? How long do the fibs get to blame the tories for a deficit?
 

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Just curious...what is the protocol or even the statute of ridiculous limitaions on blaming or using as a crutch, a previous government or particular leader? Is the NDP still a bunch of weiners based on what Bob Rae did? Does McGuinty share Peterson's blame for funding Catholic schools? How long do the fibs get to blame the tories for a deficit?

Listen to the MP's and you'll see it goes back indefinitely. I've asked that same question for what seems like a thousand times. To me it represents the ludicrous nature of voting "only Liberal" or "only Conservative" or "whatever party you are guaranteed to vote for". Bah, it should never be acceptable to appraise your job performance based on the fired @ss you just replaced.
 

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Just curious...what is the protocol or even the statute of ridiculous limitaions on blaming or using as a crutch, a previous government or particular leader? Is the NDP still a bunch of weiners based on what Bob Rae did? Does McGuinty share Peterson's blame for funding Catholic schools? How long do the fibs get to blame the tories for a deficit?

I'm just stating why people are going to vote Fiberal in a relatively conservative province.
 

lone wolf

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I'm just stating why people are going to vote Fiberal in a relatively conservative province.

More likely because strategic voting didn't work to get Harris out - after he manipulated NDP sins to Union voters to get in (as if a Tory - especially Harris - is really going to help a Unionist)

Really, I can't say McGuinty did me any harm. That ODSP I fought my own bitter struggle to win was back-dated to the day Eaves (left holding the Harris bag when he bailed out) got the boot.

Lied? He who does it best, gets in. He who mends fences best - or really does a con job - gets a second term. He who keeps his word will never satisfy everyone for long anyhow.... Politics.... No job security.

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More likely because strategic voting didn't work to get Harris out - after he manipulated NDP sins to Union voters to get in (as if a Tory - especially Harris - is really going to help a Unionist)

Really, I can't say McGuinty did me any harm. That ODSP I fought my own bitter struggle to win was back-dated to the day Eaves (left holding the Harris bag when he bailed out) got the boot.

Lied? He who does it best, gets in. He who mends fences best - or really does a con job - gets a second term. He who keeps his word will never satisfy everyone for long anyhow.... Politics.... No job security.

Wolf

In a sense I agree with you.

People don't want the truth and won't vote for it.

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Tonington

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Maybe you'll get a new voting system, where strategic voting is less of a problem.
 

lone wolf

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I'm hoping for it. Like to see something like it ferally too. Free Trade and GST would never have slipped in through the crack then....

Wolf

Edit! Nice typo! Think it makes a bold statememt. Ferally.....
 

Tonington

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Lol, yah, that's a good one! I'm with you, I want to see it ferally as well!
 

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Have Ontario residents smartened-up yet?

Are they still easily pacified by the lying fiberals?

Is the McGuilty fan club as dumb as ever?

Voters, please share your thoughts.

If Ontario re-elects the provincial Liberals it would have to be by majority vote and that has to be respected. I don't know how this election will go.....I guess we'll see...
 

lone wolf

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I think Tory handed over the reins when he abandoned a key issue (funding for religious schools) in midstream.

Personally, I'd like to see a cap on the income level for those seeking to run for public office. Over $70 thou/yr, you don't truly represent most of the electorate.

Wolf
 

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I think Tory handed over the reins when he abandoned a key issue (funding for religious schools) in midstream.

Personally, I'd like to see a cap on the income level for those seeking to run for public office. Over $70 thou/yr, you don't truly represent most of the electorate.

Wolf

Yes I agree, but the argument's always been that the "best"..ie. managers, executives, legal etc. can attract handsome salaries in the private sector and if we expect the "best" in government, we should expect to pay salaries commensurate with these skills...

Unfortunately Canada's "best" work to create "investment climates" and "lucrative potentials", all of which are desirable and inviting to the already well-off....

Meanwhile: Farmers are paid pennies for years of toil and middle-men inflate the prices of beef pork and livestock goods far beyond a reasonable rate that would give the producer a decent living and safeguard the quality of Canadian products. Case in point: How many meat packing plants are owned and controlled by Non-Canadian firms and how does the record of these plants stack up in terms of quality and management? (Quick appraisal: Poor to criminal)

Our "best" (who warn us they could find high-paying jobs in the private sector) are continuing policies of past governments that allow unsettled land claims and disputes with Canada's Native People to simmer and boil over....repeatedly ...time and time again....

Our "best" have us convinced that after letting the nations shipbuilding industry flounder for decades that there is an "urgent" need for taxpayers to pay for ice-breakers to "show the flag" in the far north where Canadian (and American) petroleum and mineral cartels want a leg-up on Danish and Russian claims to what's under and around the north pole.....

Our "best" have denied and frustrated anyone who argues that global warming is happenning and we can address this calamity by artificial nonsense like "carbon credits" and monitoring "carbon emmissions intensity"...which means when all is said and done that nothing that the Liberal government didn't do over the past fifteen years will be mirrored by the new government (principally the Stephen Harper Dog and Pony Show....but we should all be pleased that at least lately Stephen the Fool has changed his mind on the topic and actually thinks that there may be a problem after all...

Our "best" continue to pour money down the rabbits hole created by a medical profession that's reneged on its Hippocratic oath in favor of making as much money as quickly as you can from an aging population...us old folk will kick off and they'll have no one to prescribe over-priced useless medications to....

Our "best" (Ontario) voted themselves a 25% raise to their 100,000.00+ annual salaries while disabled folk get 2%....

Our "best" are con-men liars and theives, always have been and always will be so long as Canadians are prepared to accept that Canadian politicians aren't accountable to the people. Perhaps we could all get jobs at Hydro One....million dollar a year salaries.....must be truly next to god himself in qualifications and expertise.....

Don't bet on it....

While sitting on billion dollar reserves in UI and other niches in the national treasury, services to the people are cut and prices keep rising.... roads keep falling apart and we're supposed to get all worked up over paying for Jews to send their children to Jewish schools and Catholics get to keep a hand in our pockets to learn that hating homosexuals is OK and women aren't entitled to anything...and oh yes let's not forget that the Harper government will send millions to Lebanon and pour money out to others in the name of foreign aid...but as our TV tells us, 1,000,000 Canadians can't afford shelter and electricity....1,000,000 Canadians can't afford shelter and food.....750,000 Canadians use and rely on foodbanks....

Our "best" are parasites and hoodlums, just like big businessmen and international multi-national conglomerates....

Welcome to the world that the dollar built.....
 

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If Ontario re-elects the provincial Liberals it would have to be by majority vote and that has to be respected. I don't know how this election will go.....I guess we'll see...

Until we reform the way we elect these schmucks at all levels, all I will do is respect someone's right to vote, not how they voted. I may have to live with the results but I do not have to respect them. The Libs managed 46% of the popular vote and were given a majority government. Rae only had 37% but 2 more seats than McGuinty. Uncle Mike had 45% and 10 more than Dalty. Doesn't make much sense. 8O
 

lone wolf

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...but the argument's always been that the "best"..ie. managers, executives, legal etc. can attract handsome salaries in the private sector and if we expect the "best" in government, we should expect to pay salaries commensurate with these skills...

I guess the message filtered itself....

My point is, we don't want to give managers and wealthy people the power of life-or-death. They run things like a business. In government, you need someone with a heart - someone who knows what it's like to make ends meet. That isn't someone with a never-ending trust fund, or someone to whom "broke" means "only until I get to the Instant Teller". The largest percentage of people in this province don't have six digit incomes, so why aren't we the ones who get to rule the roost?

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To answer your question Wolf, I think it all boils down to a lower salary before politics makes it much harder to campaign. A working person can't take a month off from work to campaign, can't afford to travel to every area of their riding for the debates and valuable face time, and can't afford to spend so much money on advertising. A grass roots movement with volunteers and donations helps, but what if the person doesn't win? Will they still have a job to go back to?

It's unfortunate really.