“Wokeness” in Canada and elsewhere…

[petros]

Well, being in Transport, being federally regulated, I guess I will now have access to products for menstruation for “free”….

Who pays for this? Just curious….the trucking companies? Their landlords?
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Requirements for employers to provide menstrual products in federally regulated workplaces - Canada.ca

Starting December 15, 2023, employers must also provide menstrual products for their employees. These products must be readily available in all toilet room in workplaces controlled by the employer.

www.canada.ca

They'll come in handy for injuries.

 

[Serryah]

Well, being in Transport, being federally regulated, I guess I will now have access to products for menstruation for “free”….

Who pays for this? Just curious….the trucking companies? Their landlords?
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Requirements for employers to provide menstrual products in federally regulated workplaces - Canada.ca

Starting December 15, 2023, employers must also provide menstrual products for their employees. These products must be readily available in all toilet room in workplaces controlled by the employer.

www.canada.ca

LOL - GOOD!

Talk about snowflakes... FFS.

Obviously this dipshit doesn't get that if a trans man is on HRT, periods become less depending on their point of transition so suggesting this is because of trans men is just ignorance. Just like changing stations, why shouldn't these products be in men's washrooms? If a woman's washroom is out, having some in the men's is smart. Or is she one of those "We don't talk about periods" types? Maybe she's 'hush hush' about mentioning it to men, because men are so, so horribly inconvenienced by a period that it's better to pretend it doesn't exist? How 'bout if you don't need it, ignore it? Just like if you don't need condoms... ooh... yeah, not exactly the best item to suggest...

And yes, we had to 'pay' for our stuff; we still do. Having it free in a bathroom isn't going to break any banks (or if it does maybe society will realize that these products shouldn't be so fucking expensive for being so essential). I hope she's not one of those "Pink Tax" deniers but she probably is.

Oh and hey, it's not just men's washrooms...

"Employers currently provide basic sanitation products such as toilet paper and soap. Starting December 15, 2023, employers must also provide menstrual products for their employees. These products must be readily available in all toilet room in workplaces controlled by the employer.

Providing employees with access to menstrual products supports better health outcomes and workplace productivity while reducing the stigma often associated with menstruation. (because there is still even today a HUGE stigma that comes with menstruation) Workplace access to products will reduce the medical and psychological impacts of:

• reusing products (which happens)
• using products for longer than indicated (ALWAYS happens)
• not using any products at all (happens, because sometimes you don't know when your period is going to show up and say "Hello!" especially if you're going into perimenopause or into menopause itself. Or you have to double up, or even triple up, because what used to be a 'normal flow' now suddenly becomes "I'm bleeding out!" And even in an all female work area, you can run out and yes, true story goes with this senario)
  

The regulations specify that menstrual products must be in all toilet rooms, regardless of their marked genders. This means that every female-identified, male-identified and all gender toilet rooms will need to have menstrual products. Unrestricted access to menstrual products better protects menstruating employees and makes sure that they feel safe to use the toilet room that best reflects their gender.

It may not always be possible to have menstrual products available in all toilet rooms within an employer-controlled workplace. In these situations, the regulations offer flexibility. Employers may choose an alternate location if it is in the same workplace and is always accessible to employees. It must offer a reasonable amount of privacy."


Yeah, we can't have people actually have access to sanitary things, can we?

 

[Dixie Cup]

Well, being in Transport, being federally regulated, I guess I will now have access to products for menstruation for “free”….

Who pays for this? Just curious….the trucking companies? Their landlords?
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Requirements for employers to provide menstrual products in federally regulated workplaces - Canada.ca

Starting December 15, 2023, employers must also provide menstrual products for their employees. These products must be readily available in all toilet room in workplaces controlled by the employer.

www.canada.ca

UNF"N BELIEVABLE!!

 

[Ron in Regina]

LOL - GOOD!

Talk about snowflakes... FFS.

Obviously this dipshit doesn't get that if a trans man is on HRT, periods become less depending on their point of transition so suggesting this is because of trans men is just ignorance. Just like changing stations, why shouldn't these products be in men's washrooms? If a woman's washroom is out, having some in the men's is smart. Or is she one of those "We don't talk about periods" types? Maybe she's 'hush hush' about mentioning it to men, because men are so, so horribly inconvenienced by a period that it's better to pretend it doesn't exist? How 'bout if you don't need it, ignore it? Just like if you don't need condoms... ooh... yeah, not exactly the best item to suggest...

And yes, we had to 'pay' for our stuff; we still do. Having it free in a bathroom isn't going to break any banks (or if it does maybe society will realize that these products shouldn't be so fucking expensive for being so essential). I hope she's not one of those "Pink Tax" deniers but she probably is.

Oh and hey, it's not just men's washrooms...

"Employers currently provide basic sanitation products such as toilet paper and soap. Starting December 15, 2023, employers must also provide menstrual products for their employees. These products must be readily available in all toilet room in workplaces controlled by the employer.

Providing employees with access to menstrual products supports better health outcomes and workplace productivity while reducing the stigma often associated with menstruation. (because there is still even today a HUGE stigma that comes with menstruation) Workplace access to products will reduce the medical and psychological impacts of:

• reusing products (which happens)
• using products for longer than indicated (ALWAYS happens)
• not using any products at all (happens, because sometimes you don't know when your period is going to show up and say "Hello!" especially if you're going into perimenopause or into menopause itself. Or you have to double up, or even triple up, because what used to be a 'normal flow' now suddenly becomes "I'm bleeding out!" And even in an all female work area, you can run out and yes, true story goes with this senario)

The regulations specify that menstrual products must be in all toilet rooms, regardless of their marked genders. This means that every female-identified, male-identified and all gender toilet rooms will need to have menstrual products. Unrestricted access to menstrual products better protects menstruating employees and makes sure that they feel safe to use the toilet room that best reflects their gender.

It may not always be possible to have menstrual products available in all toilet rooms within an employer-controlled workplace. In these situations, the regulations offer flexibility. Employers may choose an alternate location if it is in the same workplace and is always accessible to employees. It must offer a reasonable amount of privacy."


Yeah, we can't have people actually have access to sanitary things, can we?

In all honesty, this isn’t about women but about trans-women, right? If it was about women, it would’ve happened in 2015-ish?

On that note, to provide these “free” products into every washroom for every industry everywhere under federal regulations… wouldn’t it be simpler and cheaper to just give trans-woman some kind of tax credit that could be tagged onto the GST just like all these other giveaways with their fancy names like rebate or affordability rebate or whatever, but it’s really just GST still?

Somebody would just have to check a box on tax form and they get the rebate, depending on how they self identify??

 

[petros]

In all honesty, this isn’t about women but about trans-women, right? If it was about women, it would’ve happened in 2015-ish?

On that note, to provide these “free” products into every washroom for every industry everywhere under federal regulations… wouldn’t it be simpler and cheaper to just give trans-woman some kind of tax credit that could be tagged onto the GST just like all these other giveaways with their fancy names like rebate or affordability rebate or whatever, but it’s really just GST still?

Somebody would just have to check a box on tax form and they get the rebate, depending on how they self identify??

Trans men don't carry purses. Design something masculine so they carry their own plugs while looking manly.

 

[Serryah]

In all honesty, this isn’t about women but about trans-women, right?

Wrong. There's nothing that indicates this is about trans men or trans women at all but about something that should have happened a long time ago.

Considering taxes on hygiene products for women is a 'recent' removal, I'd say it's a jump to blame it on trans people.

On that note, to provide these “free” products into every washroom for every industry everywhere under federal regulations… wouldn’t it be simpler and cheaper to just give trans-woman some kind of tax credit that could be tagged onto the GST just like all these other giveaways with their fancy names like rebate or affordability rebate or whatever, but it’s really just GST still?

If it were about trans people; well, see above.

Somebody would just have to check a box on tax form and they get the rebate, depending on how they self identify??

You do realize how much the cries of "it's expensive!" are when it comes to any sort of tax adjustments/reforms to the forms, right?

You're making it into something it's not.

It's about time.

End of.

 

[petros]

If it weren't about trans men, it would only be required in women's washrooms.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Somebody update me. Are we hating True Dope, or hating trans people?

Or both?

 

[harrylee]

Somebody update me. Are we hating True Dope, or hating trans people?

Or both?

Just imagine if Justine WAS a trans man?..........Oh, wait.

 

[petros]

Somebody update me. Are we hating True Dope, or hating trans people?

Or both?

Just you on the hate front. Keep up the good work soldier.

 

[Serryah]

Somebody update me. Are we hating True Dope, or hating trans people?

Or both?

All the above apparently.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Just imagine if Justine WAS a trans man?..........Oh, wait.

Don't take much imagination.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Considering taxes on hygiene products for women is a 'recent' removal, I'd say it's a jump to blame it on trans people.

I’m not blaming trans-anybody. If I was blaming somebody, you already know who it would be…with the initials of JT.

Anyway, I was thinking of ease of implementation and cost-effectiveness. I just learned this this morning. There’s five trucking companies in our building along with 15 other companies.

I shared this with our landlord because there’s five trucking companies in this building and they’re federally regulated.

I also gave him my choice of preference of hygiene products for the men’s Toilet Room after I consulted with my significant other early this morning. Doesn’t sound like there’s gonna be free anything in the washrooms in this building beyond soap and paper towels and toilet paper. Oh well.

 

[petros]

I’m not blaming trans-anybody. If I was blaming somebody, you already know who it would be…with the initials of JT.

Anyway, I was thinking of ease of implementation and cost-effectiveness. I just learned this this morning. There’s five trucking companies in our building along with 15 other companies.

I shared this with our landlord because there’s five trucking companies in this building and they’re federally regulated.

I also gave him my choice of preference of hygiene products for the men’s Toilet Room after I consulted with my significant other early this morning. Doesn’t sound like there’s gonna be free anything in the washrooms in this building beyond soap and paper towels and toilet paper. Oh well.

If it leaks, go up a size, if it hurts go down a size.

 

[Serryah]

I’m not blaming trans-anybody. If I was blaming somebody, you already know who it would be…with the initials of JT.

It did come across like you were blaming trans people though.

Also, blaming JT for doing something that should'a been done years ago... really? You're stepping back into "Blame Trudeau for anything even if it's good/no matter what Trudeau does, it's negative even if it's not
" territory again.

Anyway, I was thinking of ease of implementation and cost-effectiveness. I just learned this this morning. There’s five trucking companies in our building along with 15 other companies.

I shared this with our landlord because there’s five trucking companies in this building and they’re federally regulated.

Well, then just take out all washrooms for anyone to use.

Problem solved.

I also gave him my choice of preference of hygiene products for the men’s Toilet Room after I consulted with my significant other early this morning. Doesn’t sound like there’s gonna be free anything in the washrooms in this building beyond soap and paper towels and toilet paper. Oh well.

So tampons and pads won't be allowed... why? What's this landlord got against pads or tampons?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I can't believe that this is a point of discussion in Canada.

 

[Serryah]

I can't believe that this is a point of discussion in Canada.

Agreed, it shouldn't be. Just do it and be done with it.

 

[petros]

I can't believe that this is a point of discussion in Canada.

Real Canadians use sphagnum.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It did come across like you were blaming trans people though.

I think you’re reading in what you’re expecting to see.

Also, blaming JT for doing something that should'a been done years ago... really? You're stepping back into "Blame Trudeau for anything even if it's good/no matter what Trudeau does, it's negative even if it's not
" territory again.

I said, IF I was going to blame anyone (not that I was blaming anyone)…IF I was going to blame anybody…it would be…not that I was.

Well, then just take out all washrooms for anyone to use.

What?

Problem solved.

What problem is solved?

So tampons and pads won't be allowed... why? What's this landlord got against pads or tampons?

“FREE” menstruating Peoplekind products won’t be available is what I was told. I think it comes down to the definition of “FREE” as in, it doesn’t cost anything, because it does…& who would be paying for the “FREE” stuff? Our Landlord isn’t going to pay for the “FREE” stuff, and I didn’t have the time to quiz 5 different trucking companies in our building, or even bring it up to my own employer today.

I did mention it to our landlord because he’s also a friend of mine, and I did that about 7 AM this morning before I started work….& shot the shit with him about it for about 90 seconds as he was dropping off our mail… because there’s about 20 businesses in the building and one mailbox.

Nobody is preventing anybody, women or men or anyone on the spectrum between, or to the left or right or up or down, from using tampons or other menstrual products….they’re just not going to be supplied for FREE in every bathroom I was told.

Somehow from that, you think removing all the bathrooms is the answer to solving a problem? I guess maybe it is, to something, for someone, but maybe not to what you think it might be.

(I’ve spent a decade working in gravel pits so a lack of a washroom really isn’t a hardship for me regardless of #1 or #2. I’m content with a garbage bag & a 5 gallon pail, & maybe some shelter from the wind, but that’s just me)

Anyway, I thought it was a weird news story, & poorly unrolled, seeing as it comes into play in two days and this morning is the first I’ve heard of it or anybody else as far as I know.

 

[Serryah]

I think you’re reading in what you’re expecting to see.

You're the one that brought up the issue being about trans people. Don't know how you expect it to be looked at as anything else, Ron. If you didn't think it was about trans people, then why did you bring it up?

I said, IF I was going to blame anyone (not that I was blaming anyone)…IF I was going to blame anybody…it would be…not that I was.

And the comment still stands: IF you were blaming JT, you'd be jumping on the blame JT for everything because that's the "cool" thing to do, or something, regardless of it being a good or bad thing.

What?

What problem is solved?

"Anyway, I was thinking of ease of implementation and cost-effectiveness"

You said that, and I replied with getting rid of all washrooms. Problem - the cost-effectiveness of putting these things in bathrooms - solved.

No one would have to worry about it.

“FREE” menstruating Peoplekind products won’t be available is what I was told. I think it comes down to the definition of “FREE” as in, it doesn’t cost anything, because it does…& who would be paying for the “FREE” stuff? Our Landlord isn’t going to pay for the “FREE” stuff, and I didn’t have the time to quiz 5 different trucking companies in our building, or even bring it up to my own employer today.

So semantics: okay then yes, you're right, it won't be "Free" because someone will have to pay for it.

I did mention it to our landlord because he’s also a friend of mine, and I did that about 7 AM this morning before I started work….& shot the shit with him about it for about 90 seconds as he was dropping off our mail… because there’s about 20 businesses in the building and one mailbox.

Nobody is preventing anybody, women or men or anyone on the spectrum between, or to the left or right or up or down, from using tampons or other menstrual products….they’re just not going to be supplied for FREE in every bathroom I was told.

Aside from the semantics... they will be free to the people who use them. Does that make it better?

Somehow from that, you think removing all the bathrooms is the answer to solving a problem?

No, but I was being sarcastic to your comment about 'cost effectiveness'.

Anyway, I thought it was a weird news story, & poorly unrolled, seeing as it comes into play in two days and this morning is the first I’ve heard of it or anybody else as far as I know.

On that I have to agree with you; even in the hospital I work at there's nothing about it mentioned and I can't wait to see on the weekend if there's anything set up. Likely there won't be.