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So something I just thought of for all you "Israel has it right regardless" types:

You say that if Palestinians would only fight against Hamas that things might be better, or at least end better for them.

How the HELL are they supposed to fight against Hamas when Israel is utterly destroying them? Annihilating's their families in the bombings? Burying people under rubble that they need to dig through in hopes to find someone alive? Just WHEN are they supposed to find the time to act out against the bastard barbarians - Hamas - who caused all this to begin with? And if there's a point when it's over, what excuse has Israel given the Palestinian people to actually want to GIVE Hamas the death they so richly deserve? What has Israel done but push MORE people into the hands of Hamas? Only for them to complain that "Hamas did X" when the next wave of insanity starts?

First Israel warned people to head south, because they were going to hit the north. Now they're hitting the south which was supposed to be the 'safe zone'.

So double the population is trapped in an even less sizable space... and Israel is supposed to have the moral high ground for this?

Why not just admit the actual truth: your hatred of Palestinians - regardless of whether they are Arab, Christian, Terrorist or otherwise - is so absolute you're in euphoric glee to see Gaza turned into the rubble it's becoming? And your siding with Israel isn't about "Jews need to protect themselves", but it's because you just hate the Palestinians. This is about bloodthirsty, barbaric ethnic cleansing and the excuse that "Hamas are Terrorists" somehow is a moral high ground reason for cheering Israel on.

Just be fucking honest about why the support for Israel's barbarism is there?

And explain how Hamas' act of insanity is somehow worse than Israel's act of insanity? How is Hamas' acts of barbarism any worse than those of Israel?
I don't know why Hamas is indirectly killing their Palestinian supporters
 

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I don't know why Hamas is indirectly killing their Palestinian supporters

Is that something you're just saying, or do you not really understand why?
 
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petros

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Behold a pale horse....

The horsemenIn the text of Revelation, the main distinguishing feature of the four horses is their color; white for conquest, red for war, black for pestilence and/or famine, and pale (from 'pallor') for death.

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Ron in Regina

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I don't know why Hamas is indirectly killing their Palestinian supporters




Is that something you're just saying, or do you not really understand why?
The civilians in Gaza are not only disposable human shields, but propaganda fodder. Hamas has planned on their (not their own, but the civilians) sacrifice before this latest goat-rodeo began for the exact reasons that we’re seeing. The more civilians that are harmed, the more sympathy Hamas gains & the worse Israel looks. It’s a lose-lose situation regardless of the outcome for Israel.

With Hamas hiding behind, and underneath its civilian population in Gaza, & none (None!) of the other nations in the neighbourhood willing to take in any of the Gaza civilians as refugees even on a temporary basis….unless Israel did nothing, there would be civilian casualties, & Hamas there with their GoPro cameras to make sure it’s highly visible. Again a lose-lose situation for Israel.
Hamas is not an alien group that descended upon Palestinians. It arose from within the Palestinian people before it solidified control and has much support amongst them. What it did on October 7 actually dramatically increased the support Hamas has in the West Bank. And recent polling by the Arab World for Research and Development shows that 68 per cent of Palestinians in the West Bank and 47 per cent in Gaza support the Oct. 7 attacks.
 
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Hostages are the big concern.......Oh reeeeally.

Its not Hamas running this shit show. They had help from from an agency that knows what they are doing. Two weeks ago I heard this and its just coming out now.

They stole a server full of Israeli nuke secrets.

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Is it sinking in yet?
 

Ron in Regina

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Hostages are the big concern.......Oh reeeeally.

Its not Hamas running this shit show. They had help from from an agency that knows what they are doing. Two weeks ago I heard this and its just coming out now.

They stole a server full of Israeli nuke secrets.

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Is it sinking in yet?
Time to update some passwords?
 

Ron in Regina

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Yeah. Does Israel paint them as the nuclear threat they are or just pop some EMP tactical nukes and call it a day?
So, would an EMP pulse be effective to something down 80m below Gaza (?) in a concrete tunnel when they’re your neighbour and you don’t want to put your own country (or Egypt) back into the Stone Age?
 

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Yup, 80 feet is bupkis In few days the people on Pluto will go WTF but there wont be an earth rattling shockwave or fireball. A few in Isreal might need new phones and Xboxes but that about it. EMPs are only deadly to electronics.

10 kilo tonne described below.

Although experts have not achieved consensus on expected impacts, generally they believe that the most severe consequence of the pulse would not travel beyond about 2 miles (3.2 km) to 5 miles (8 km) from a ground level 10 KT IND detonation.

https://remm.hhs.gov › EMP

Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Following a Nuclear Detonation

 

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Yup, 80 feet is bupkis In few days the people on Pluto will go WTF but there wont be an earth rattling shockwave or fireball. A few in Isreal might need new phones and Xboxes but that about it. EMPs are only deadly to electronics.

10 kilo tonne described below.

Although experts have not achieved consensus on expected impacts, generally they believe that the most severe consequence of the pulse would not travel beyond about 2 miles (3.2 km) to 5 miles (8 km) from a ground level 10 KT IND detonation.

https://remm.hhs.gov › EMP

Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Following a Nuclear Detonation

I don’t pretend to know anymore about this than I do, which is almost nothing beyond background in fictional novels, but I’m betting there’s a reason why Cheyenne mountain is inside that mountain. 😉

I also recall reading about America, playing with nukes and airborne explosions in the early 60s and knocking out communications and electrical systems in Hawaii about 900 miles away or so from where they were playing….& And I realize it’s 60 years later, with better understanding, and better toys, but something to penetrate through that much cover and then through a concrete tunnel, I assumed would have more collateral damage (to electric gizmos) further into Israel and Egypt. Interesting.
 

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Israeli man who confronted Palestinian attackers killed by IDF soldier
Author of the article:Associated Press
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Tia Goldenberg
Published Dec 03, 2023 • 5 minute read

TEL AVIV, Israel — Seconds after Palestinian gunmen began shooting up a busy Jerusalem bus stop last week, Yuval Castleman raced toward the scene and opened fire on the attackers — only to be shot and killed by an Israeli soldier who apparently suspected he was also an assailant.


The shooting of Castleman, who in security camera footage is seen kneeling, raising his hands and flinging open his shirt to indicate he isn’t a threat, underscores what critics say is an epidemic of excessive force by Israeli soldiers, police and armed citizens against suspected Palestinian attackers.


“He took all the necessary steps so that he could be properly identified,” Castleman’s father, Moshe, told Israeli Army Radio on Sunday, “and they kept shooting at him.”

Castleman’s shooting mirrors previous incidents where Israeli security forces or civilians have opened fire on attackers who no longer appear to pose a threat, or on suspected assailants or unarmed civilians deemed to be threats.

The incident comes as tensions have been inflamed by the war between Israel and Hamas, with Israelis on edge and bracing for further attacks. It also coincides with a drive by Israel’s national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, to ramp up the number of gun-toting civilians.


Palestinians and human rights groups have long accused Israeli forces of using excessive force, killing attackers who no longer posed a threat and even harming innocent people mistaken for attackers and then skirting accountability.

Early Thursday, as the entrance to Jerusalem was swelling with traffic, two Hamas militants exited their car at a bus stop and opened fire on waiting commuters, killing three. In security camera footage, Castleman is seen running from the other side of the busy highway, brandishing his gun and shooting at the attackers. Soldiers are also seen opening fire.

Castleman, a 38-year-old lawyer who was on his way to work, is seen appearing to flee the gunshots. He then kneels, raises his arms and opens his shirt before he is shot.


His family is demanding to know how the heroism of their son culminated in his killing.

Israeli authorities are investigating the incident and police said initial findings showed one of the soldiers “mistakenly suspected” Castleman was an attacker. Castleman, a resident of a Jerusalem suburb, had previously worked in the Israeli security forces, according to his father, and used his own gun against the attackers. He was shot in the jaw, chin and stomach.

The Israeli military issued a statement Sunday expressing sorrow for Castleman’s death. It said the soldier suspected in the shooting was questioned under caution — a step that often precedes criminal charges.

The soldier, identified by Israeli media as reservist Aviad Frija, told Israeli Channel 14 TV that he was active among “hilltop youth” — a term used to refer to radicalized Jewish teen squatters on hilltops in the occupied West Bank who have been known to attack Palestinians and their property.


Frija was not asked about Castleman’s shooting. But he boasted about killing the attackers, saying doing so was every soldier’s goal.

Hilltop youth are politically aligned with Ben-Gvir, a disciple of a racist rabbi, who as the minister in charge of police has been leading a drive to proliferate arms among civilians by loosening the criteria for acquiring a gun permit. Ben-Gvir said Thursday’s attack proved his policies were needed.

“Weapons save lives. We see this time after time. Everywhere there are arms, citizens, police, soldiers save lives,” he said at the scene, without referring to Castleman. Ben-Gvir has also pushed for a national guard force he says is meant to fill in gaps where police are spread thin. Critics say it would amount to his own personal militia.


Asked about the shooting on Saturday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he supported Ben-Gvir’s policy to increase access to weapons even if it meant civilians like Castleman could be killed.

“The presence of armed civilians many times saved the day and prevented a bigger disaster,” he told reporters. “It could be that we will pay a price for it. That’s life.”

Netanyahu rival-turned-wartime ally Benny Gantz called for an investigation into the proper use of guns and the regulations surrounding their use.

“That’s not ‘life,’ but a warning sign,” he posted on X, formerly Twitter.

After an uproar over his comments, Netanyahu reversed course on Sunday, calling Castleman’s death a “terrible tragedy.”

“He is an Israeli hero,” Netanyahu said. He promised a thorough investigation and said he had called Castleman’s father to offer condolences.


Thursday’s incident had echoes of previous ones that have shed light on Israeli open fire rules. Most infamous was the 2016 shooting death by an Israeli soldier of a badly wounded Palestinian assailant as he lay on the ground.

The shooting by Sgt. Elor Azaria, which came as Israel was battling a low-level wave of Palestinian attacks, divided the country. While Israel’s top generals pushed for the prosecution of a soldier they say violated the military’s code of ethics, large segments of the public, including politicians on Israel’s nationalist right, sided with Azaria. Even Netanyahu, in a nod to his nationalist base, gave only lukewarm support to his military.

Similarly, in 2015, after a deadly Palestinian attack at a bus station in the southern city of Beersheba, an Eritrean man was shot and beaten to death by a mob after being mistaken for an assailant. Two men charged with the death were acquitted, with the court siding with their claim that they believed he was an attacker.


Critics said Thursday’s incident was especially severe because Castleman took what they said were clear steps to prove that he was not an attacker.

“It was an execution,” wrote Shelly Yacimovich, a former leader of Israel’s liberal Labor Party, on the Ynet news site. “Against the law, against open fire regulations, the sanctity of arms. Immoral. And all that would be true even if he was a terrorist.”

Moshe Karadi, a former police chief, said he believed the background of the soldier who allegedly shot Castleman influenced his thought process. “The finger is lighter on the trigger there than in other places,” he said, referring to the West Bank, where settler violence has flared during the war.

Karadi said Ben-Gvir’s crusade to arm more civilians would lead to untrained and unqualified arms carriers. He said greater access to guns would spark increased violence against minorities and women and lead to more incidents like Thursday’s killing of an innocent civilian.

Diana Buttu, a Palestinian analyst, said the incident reflected a reality that Palestinians have long lived with. She said how Castleman died — arms raised, knees to the ground — didn’t surprise her given the heightened tensions since the war, coupled with what Palestinians see as the systemic use of excessive force and a drive to have more Israelis carry arms.

“It was really just a question of time until someone was gunned down in that way,” she said.
 

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Kyiv investigates allegations Russian forces shot surrendering Ukrainian soldiers
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Felipe Dana And Joanna Kozlowska
Published Dec 03, 2023 • 3 minute read

KYIV, Ukraine — Ukrainian officials on Sunday launched an investigation into allegations that Russian forces killed surrendering Ukrainian soldiers, a war crime if confirmed, after grainy footage on social media appeared to show two uniformed men being shot at close range after emerging from a dugout.


The video shows the servicemen, one of them with his hands up, walking out at gunpoint and lying down on the ground before a group of Russian troops appears to open fire. It was not immediately possible to verify the video’s authenticity or the circumstances in which it was filmed, and it was unclear when the incident took place.


The Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s office on Sunday launched a criminal investigation, hours after the Ukrainian military’s press office said in an online statement that the footage is genuine.

“The video shows a group in Russian uniforms shooting, at point-blank range, two unarmed servicemen in the uniform of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who were surrendering,” the prosecutor’s office said in a Telegram update on Sunday.


Kyiv, its Western allies and international human rights organizations have repeatedly accused Moscow of breaching international humanitarian law since it launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. The Kremlin denies these allegations.

The video first appeared Saturday on DeepState, a popular Ukrainian Telegram channel covering the war. The post claimed the footage came from the front lines near Avdiivka, a Ukrainian holdout in the country’s part-occupied east where there has been fierce fighting in recent weeks.

The General Prosecutor’s Office on Sunday said that the alleged killing took place in the Pokrovsk district, which includes Avdiivka and surrounding areas.


“It’s clear from the video that the Ukrainian servicemen are taking the necessary steps that show they are surrendering,” Ukraine’s human rights chief, Dmytro Lubinets, said hours after the footage emerged on Saturday.

In a statement posted to Telegram, Lubinets described the incident as “yet another glaring example of Russia’s violations of international humanitarian law.”

Oleksandr Shtupun, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian military grouping that is fighting near Avdiivka, was cited by Ukrainian media as saying the video was “glaring confirmation” of Moscow’s disrespect for the laws of war.

In March, footage of a man exclaiming “Glory to Ukraine” before being gunned down in a wooded area sparked national outcry in Ukraine, as senior officials alleged that he was an unarmed prisoner of war killed by Russian soldiers.


Last summer, Kyiv and Moscow also traded blame for a shelling attack on a prison in occupied eastern Ukraine that killed dozens of Ukrainian POWs. Both sides claimed the assault on the facility in Olenivka was aimed at covering up atrocities, with Ukrainian officials charging captive soldiers had been tortured and executed there.

The U.N.’s human rights chief in July rejected Moscow’s claim that a rocket strike had caused the blast.

Also on Sunday, Ukraine’s energy ministry reported that close to 1,000 towns and villages suffered power outages that day, with hundreds of settlements in the west battered by wintry weather and others affected by ongoing fighting.

The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, late on Saturday assessed that military operations have slowed down all along the frontline in Ukraine due to poor weather, with mud bogging down tracked vehicles and making it hard for lighter equipment and infantry to advance.

Even so, Shtupun, of Ukraine’s Tavria military command that oversees the stretch of frontline near Avdiivka, said in a separate statement Sunday that Russian infantry attacks had intensified in the area over the past day. In a Telegram post, he insisted Ukrainian troops were “holding firm” in Avdiivka and another nearby town.

Elsewhere, a 78-year-old civilian man died in Ukraine’s southern Kherson region after Russian shells slammed into his garage, the Ukrainian local military administration reported.
accidentally posted this in the wrong thread. sawy bout dat. 😊 :(
 

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"Those Hamas people... they rape, and they rape all the day long and the left-wing feminists still love them," said Cosby to reporters. "So now, I am a 'Hamas.' As-salamu alaykum. Please do not criticize my raping, which is a legitimate act of decolonization and resistance. Allahu Akbar. Thank you."

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I don’t pretend to know anymore about this than I do, which is almost nothing beyond background in fictional novels, but I’m betting there’s a reason why Cheyenne mountain is inside that mountain. 😉

I also recall reading about America, playing with nukes and airborne explosions in the early 60s and knocking out communications and electrical systems in Hawaii about 900 miles away or so from where they were playing….& And I realize it’s 60 years later, with better understanding, and better toys, but something to penetrate through that much cover and then through a concrete tunnel, I assumed would have more collateral damage (to electric gizmos) further into Israel and Egypt. Interesting.
BIG difference between 10 kilo tonnes and 1 mega tonne.

The are ready dropping 1kilo tonne conventional bombs.Its not what you think at all.


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Israel and US showed their ass in an off-hand way pointing the blame at who helped Hamas attack and ransack an Israeli nuke base.

Hers is a hint. In 1992 Israel was flooded with a group of people that were hated by Americans in Tel Aviv so they settled the West Bank.

As of today, for some odd reason the US said no visas for West Bank Extremist settlers.

Some people call them Orks, some say Pidors others Katsapi....you probably just call them Russians.
 
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