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OTTAWA - A group of foreign ministers from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia and Turkey met Saturday in Ottawa with Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to discuss the Israel-Hamas war.

The quietly planned meeting focused on ways countries could help efforts to secure peace for Palestinians and Israelis, after Hamas militants launched a deadly rampage in Israel on Oct. 7.

Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but Hamas are Palestinians…except for the one’s that aren’t I guess, like the ones residing in Qatar or Turkey (?) but all are taking their orders from Iran (?) unless they aren’t (?), so who’s representing whom here (?) & why are Hezbollah lobbing rockets into Israel from Syria and who’s going to do what about that now also? Anyone condemning that?

The group is NOT a joint peace project with Israel, and says its leaders aim to speak on behalf of Arab and Muslim people following Israel's bombardment of Gaza in response to the Hamas attack.

The group of ministers had previously visited the capitals of China, France, Russia, Britain and the U.S., as well as Spain…to what end???

Trudeau has said that Israel has a right to defend itself, while arguing (with whom?) that acts such as the "killing of women, of children, of babies" in Gaza undermines the possibility of a two-state solution, where Israel and a Palestinian country could live peacefully beside each other.

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Does Trudeau, or anyone else, say what Israel should have done instead or what they would have done to both retaliate against the Oct 7th invasion/massacre (?) and how to ensure Hamas doesn’t repeat it again repeatedly???
The Canadian government says Hamas must release its hostages and that all foreigners must be allowed to leave the Gaza Strip….or else what???…though Global Affairs Canada has stopped publishing the number of Canadians it believes are still in the besieged territory?

Joly has said that negotiations between Israel and Hamas are needed to end the conflict, though Canada has not followed some European countries in calling for an immediate ceasefire.

The Palestinian Authority is the internationally recognized body that speaks for Palestinians, including in negotiations aimed at a two-state solution. The group controls the West Bank but was driven out of Gaza by Hamas when it seized power in 2007.

Belief in the possibility of a two-state solution has dropped significantly, which seems to have let to a decline in public support. In one survey, published in January 2023, only 34 percent of Israeli Jews and 33 percent of Palestinians supported a two-state solution — which the authors note was “linked to low perceived feasibility.”

Canada has no relations with Hamas, which it has deemed a terrorist organization since 2002, and so it cannot negotiate with the group….& though Canada does have relations with Israel, the Israeli’s don’t seem to have been invited to this meeting in Ottawa this weekend anyway.
 

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OTTAWA - A group of foreign ministers from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia and Turkey met Saturday in Ottawa with Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to discuss the Israel-Hamas war.

The quietly planned meeting focused on ways countries could help efforts to secure peace for Palestinians and Israelis, after Hamas militants launched a deadly rampage in Israel on Oct. 7.

Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but Hamas are Palestinians…except for the one’s that aren’t I guess, like the ones residing in Qatar or Turkey (?) but all are taking their orders from Iran (?) unless they aren’t (?), so who’s representing whom here (?) & why are Hezbollah lobbing rockets into Israel from Syria and who’s going to do what about that now also? Anyone condemning that?

The group is NOT a joint peace project with Israel, and says its leaders aim to speak on behalf of Arab and Muslim people following Israel's bombardment of Gaza in response to the Hamas attack.

The group of ministers had previously visited the capitals of China, France, Russia, Britain and the U.S., as well as Spain…to what end???

Trudeau has said that Israel has a right to defend itself, while arguing (with whom?) that acts such as the "killing of women, of children, of babies" in Gaza undermines the possibility of a two-state solution, where Israel and a Palestinian country could live peacefully beside each other.

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Does Trudeau, or anyone else, say what Israel should have done instead or what they would have done to both retaliate against the Oct 7th invasion/massacre (?) and how to ensure Hamas doesn’t repeat it again repeatedly???
The Canadian government says Hamas must release its hostages and that all foreigners must be allowed to leave the Gaza Strip….or else what???…though Global Affairs Canada has stopped publishing the number of Canadians it believes are still in the besieged territory?

Joly has said that negotiations between Israel and Hamas are needed to end the conflict, though Canada has not followed some European countries in calling for an immediate ceasefire.

The Palestinian Authority is the internationally recognized body that speaks for Palestinians, including in negotiations aimed at a two-state solution. The group controls the West Bank but was driven out of Gaza by Hamas when it seized power in 2007.

Belief in the possibility of a two-state solution has dropped significantly, which seems to have let to a decline in public support. In one survey, published in January 2023, only 34 percent of Israeli Jews and 33 percent of Palestinians supported a two-state solution — which the authors note was “linked to low perceived feasibility.”

Canada has no relations with Hamas, which it has deemed a terrorist organization since 2002, and so it cannot negotiate with the group….& though Canada does have relations with Israel, the Israeli’s don’t seem to have been invited to this meeting in Ottawa this weekend anyway.
If Putin couldn't solve this.....
 

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Joly proves Trudeau's feminist foreign policy just empty words
Nothing feminist about waiting two months to denounce Hamas using rape as a weapon of war


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Dec 10, 2023 • Last updated 1 day ago • 3 minute read
It took two months for Minister of Foreign Affairs Melanie Joly to denounce Hamas using rape as a weapon of war.

Two months, that’s how long it took Canada’s foreign affairs minister to denounce the use of rape as a weapon of war in Israel. It looks like Melanie Joly doesn’t really believe in her own rhetoric about a feminist foreign policy.


The rape of women and girls was sadly well documented, not that the proof stopped Hamas supporters from denying it or some politicians acting in a cowardly manner.


Believe all women, unless they are Jewish or Israeli.

Joly was quick to talk about the Me Too movement in 2018. She rushed to the microphones with Justin Trudeau to denounce the United States Supreme Court overturning Roe vs. Wade last year.

On Hamas raping women while carrying out their terrorist attack on Oct. 7, she waited two months to make a statement.

“Using sexual violence as a tactic of war is a crime. We strongly condemn #SGBV (sexual and gender-based violence), including rape, perpetrated by Hamas against women in Israel on Oct. 7. We believe Israeli women.


“Canada will always stand against #SGBV and advocate for justice for all victims,” Joly posted to X.

Two months to denounce something the whole world knew had happened on Oct. 7. In contrast, it didn’t take her long to issue a statement when Hamas made false claims about Israel bombing a hospital.

“Bombing a hospital is an unthinkable act, and there is no doubt that doing so is absolutely illegal,” she posted Oct. 17.

That post, which blamed Israel for purposely bombing a hospital was posted quickly, without any proof, and it is still up. Even after it was shown that the hospital’s parking lot was hit — not the hospital itself — and that the explosion was the result of a rocket fired from inside Gaza by Islamic Jihad, Joly left her statement up.


It’s an odd position for Canada’s foreign affairs minister to be in, believing an accusation from Hamas and repeating it immediately but not accepting the proof and denouncing the rape of Israeli women.

The stance of Joly, and the rest of the Trudeau government to the war Hamas launched against Israel, has been muddled at best. Yes, at the start they clearly denounced the Hamas attacks and stated that Israel had a right to defend itself. Since then, Trudeau has gone back and forth as he deals with pressures from within the Liberal caucus and Canadian society itself.

As the Israeli Defense Forces closed in on the Al Shifa hospital, Trudeau issued a warning to Israel, saying he was concerned about the humanitarian crisis unfolding there.

“I have been clear that the price of justice cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians. Even wars have rules, and all innocent life is equal in worth, Israeli and Palestinian. I urge the Government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint. The world is watching on TV and social media,” Trudeau said.

His words to Hamas that day, a gentle nudge not to use civilians as human shields. Yet that is exactly what Hamas has been doing since they launched this war.



The Al Shifa Hospital was more of a munitions dump and headquarters for Hamas with a medical clinic attached to it than a hospital. Israel had to go into the hospital to liberate it from Hamas, and they did so with maximum restraint.

Before Israel strikes an area in Gaza, it drops leaflets with maps telling residents to evacuate areas the IDF will be taking over. In doing so, the IDF not only tells civilians, it tells Hamas where Israel’s military will strike.

Israel is pulling its punches; it is exercising maximum restraint even as Trudeau lectures Tel Aviv.

One thing everyone should remember the next time the Trudeau government claims to have principle-based feminist foreign policy — it took them two months to believe Israeli women on proven claims of rape and two minutes to believe false claims by Hamas that Israel bombed a hospital.
 

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The Israeli Army enters a “Mosque” in Gaza and find an RPG training range and a bomb factory.

Hamas continues to hide behind civilians


Hamas terrorists hijack a humanitarian aid truck moments after it crosses into Gaza from Egypt

Looks like they just managed to put their hands on a lot of flour


IDF strip searching people and sharing the photo's instead of keeping the incident private. (and since it's likely no one will read it:
Under the Geneva Conventions, it is unlawful to expose prisoners of war to “public curiosity,” in order to preserve their dignity and protect them from public identification and retribution. Some countries maintain that captured terrorists are not subject to protections under the accord.


The army did not initially comment on the origin of the footage, which began finding its way online Thursday. But at least some of the photos and videos show evidence of having been taken from army positions, and some have speculated that they were intentionally leaked as part of a campaign to break the morale of Hamas’s fighters." )

And I guess it's okay to abuse them too cause, you know, they might not be Hamas now, but they will be in the future! (that IS sarcasm, btw)



So 'reserve soldiers' go in to do work that's shoddy as hell, are ID'd to be part of an ILLEGAL settlement, driving people to leave in some cases. But then that's the point, since if people leave, well the land is open for the push for "settlers".



Something not really reported - not only Jews or foreign nationals were taken; Arab's too. And yes, it does seem they were treated 'better' - likely because they were Muslim - but they were still taken, kidnapped like everyone else, and abused. And some are still held.

Makes you wonder if this wasn't just insanity driving Hamas, instead of some need to lash out at Israel solely.



Interrogation of a political Hamas minister. Some good info in this of the state of things - provided it's true and current - but also interesting about the reality of Hamas' power in Gaza.



Remember, it's not only Arab/Muslims/Palestinians who are being kicked around in Israel. Christians too. Wonder what the truth of the situation is; was the land sold "free and clear" as claimed, or was the local Patriarch duped somehow into selling?



Point of all this being - You can find claims of shit happening all over the place in the region. Shocked that the IDF found bombs and that Hamas hijacked a truck of food? Really? It's Hamas; at this point nothing should be surprising. Hamas are fucking idiots, they deserve what they get.

Israel is going overboard and isn't so "innocent" in this for atrocities, whether it's mass arrests and illegal leak of photo's of prisoners, or lying about how they "Don't bomb civilians" to the outright mass destruction when there are other ways to get the hostages back (as if that's important to Nuttywhoohoo). Even in its own government there's now issues of funding the war vs. funding for Settlements and how the two issues do NOT match.

Also context that Israel isn't the "great place" people keep pretending it is, and not just if your Arab/Muslim.

If people treated the region with the reality it is, and not this broken "It's horrible because of X but great because of Y" then maybe there wouldn't be such a divide in what's going on.
 

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OTTAWA - A group of foreign ministers from the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia and Turkey met Saturday in Ottawa with Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to discuss the Israel-Hamas war.

The quietly planned meeting focused on ways countries could help efforts to secure peace for Palestinians and Israelis, after Hamas militants launched a deadly rampage in Israel on Oct. 7.

Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but Hamas are Palestinians…except for the one’s that aren’t I guess, like the ones residing in Qatar or Turkey (?) but all are taking their orders from Iran (?) unless they aren’t (?), so who’s representing whom here (?) & why are Hezbollah lobbing rockets into Israel from Syria and who’s going to do what about that now also? Anyone condemning that?

The group is NOT a joint peace project with Israel, and says its leaders aim to speak on behalf of Arab and Muslim people following Israel's bombardment of Gaza in response to the Hamas attack.

The group of ministers had previously visited the capitals of China, France, Russia, Britain and the U.S., as well as Spain…to what end???

Trudeau has said that Israel has a right to defend itself, while arguing (with whom?) that acts such as the "killing of women, of children, of babies" in Gaza undermines the possibility of a two-state solution, where Israel and a Palestinian country could live peacefully beside each other.

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Does Trudeau, or anyone else, say what Israel should have done instead or what they would have done to both retaliate against the Oct 7th invasion/massacre (?) and how to ensure Hamas doesn’t repeat it again repeatedly???
The Canadian government says Hamas must release its hostages and that all foreigners must be allowed to leave the Gaza Strip….or else what???…though Global Affairs Canada has stopped publishing the number of Canadians it believes are still in the besieged territory?

Joly has said that negotiations between Israel and Hamas are needed to end the conflict, though Canada has not followed some European countries in calling for an immediate ceasefire.

The Palestinian Authority is the internationally recognized body that speaks for Palestinians, including in negotiations aimed at a two-state solution. The group controls the West Bank but was driven out of Gaza by Hamas when it seized power in 2007.

Belief in the possibility of a two-state solution has dropped significantly, which seems to have let to a decline in public support. In one survey, published in January 2023, only 34 percent of Israeli Jews and 33 percent of Palestinians supported a two-state solution — which the authors note was “linked to low perceived feasibility.”

Canada has no relations with Hamas, which it has deemed a terrorist organization since 2002, and so it cannot negotiate with the group….& though Canada does have relations with Israel, the Israeli’s don’t seem to have been invited to this meeting in Ottawa this weekend anyway.
Joly & her minions are a joke & an embarrassment to Canada period!
 
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Wisdom from Iran for Israel. Israel mounted its assault on Gaza in response to a cross-border raid by Hamas fighters in which they killed 1,200 people and took 240 hostage in southern Israel on Oct. 7. More than 100 hostages were freed during a short-lived truce last month.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei appealed last month to Muslim states with political ties with Israel to at least cut them for "a limited time". He had previously called for an Islamic oil and food embargo on Israel.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahian said on Tuesday that Israel and the United States will never be able to wipe out Hamas and that Israel could only secure the release of hostages held in Gaza with a political solution to the conflict.

He added that Israel, which has vowed to wipe out Tehran-backed Hamas, could only achieve the return of hostages taken by Hamas during a deadly rampage on Oct. 7 by a political solution.

Amirabdollahian was speaking at a meeting alongside counterparts from other Middle Eastern countries.

"All the ministers agree that the strikes by the criminal Israeli regime and the genocide it is committing has to stop immediately," Amirabdollahian said following the meeting.
 

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The latest war between Israel and Hamas began after the armed group's militants launched a surprise attack in Israel on Oct. 7, killing 1,200 people, including hundreds of civilians, and taking about 240 people hostage.

Israel retaliated with airstrikes on the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, and cutting off its access to many essential supplies. Local authorities say more than 18,000 Palestinians have been killed.

Canada voted in favour of a non-binding resolution at the United Nations on Tuesday that calls for "an immediate humanitarian ceasefire" between Israel and Hamas, in a move that broke with years of Canadian policy and shocked Jewish groups.

The vote at the UN General Assembly represents a shift in Canada's long-standing position of siding with Israel on major resolutions at the international bodyand arguing the Jewish state is unfairly called out in global forums.

The Liberals say the carnage in the Gaza Strip led Canada to change tack. "We must recognize that what is unfolding before our eyes will only enhance the cycle of violence," Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly said Tuesday on Parliament Hill.

"This will not lead to the durable defeat of Hamas, which is necessary, and the threat that it poses to Israel. With the future of Israelis and Palestinians in mind, Canada is joining the international call for humanitarian ceasefire."

The National Council of Canadian Muslims called the UN vote a "milestone" that needs to translate into "the reality of action and deeds."

Yet the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs said it was "disgusted and frankly shocked" by Canada's stance, given that the motion does not explicitly call out Hamas for its crimes or urge the group to surrender.

"Canada's decision to support the resolution will undoubtedly lead to further hate being directed towards Jews here in Canada," the group's head Shimon Koffler Fogel said in a statement.

Hamas "cannot be rewarded and left unaccountable," said the group, which represents Jewish federations across Canada.
 
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Thinking outside the box. . . maybe formally annex Gaza, and move a substantial portion of the population to the West Bank?

Sucks? Yeah. But guess what? Everything about this situation sucks. And the West Bank seems to be relatively calm lately. Maybe it could be the State of Palestine.
 
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Thinking outside the box. . . maybe formally annex Gaza, and move a substantial portion of the population to the West Bank?

Sucks? Yeah. But guess what? Everything about this situation sucks. And the West Bank seems to be relatively calm lately. Maybe it could be the State of Palestine.
Or cut a chunk of desert off for Palestinian with the Ben Gurion Canal?

Moats are effective defenses.
 

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Iran is expected to attack the Israeli nuclear reactor of Demona from Yemen and not from Syria, an Israeli military expert said Sunday.
Many of Israelis thought that the Iranian retaliation scenario was already realized by targeting Demona reactor with the Syrian missile, Amir Bar Shalom added in remark to an Israeli website.
Evidence for this was the failed interception of the missile and the Israeli silence for long hours, the expert said.
Attacking an Israeli strategic target from Syria would leave vast damages, not only to the Syrian government, but also to Iranian targets, he argued, "since Iran realizes that the cost of attacking Syria would be much bigger than the benefit, and Syrian military sites would be at risk."
Thus, Demona reactor will be attacked from Yemen, but not Syria, as "Iran has deployed precise surface-to-surface missile batteries in Yemen beside fleets of suicide drones."
Last Thursday, spokesman for the Israeli army tweeted that a Syrian "reckless missile entered Israeli lands" early on Thursday.
The Syrian army activated its defenses, firing SAM5 missiles, one of which missed its target and slipped towards Israeli lands in al-Naqab area, the officer added, noting that it was guided to target a certain place.
In the aftermath, the Israeli air force responded to the battery responsible for firing the Syrian missile, as well as SAM batteries inside Syria, he said.
A military source, however, said the Syrian defenses fended off the Israeli aggression on Damascus vicinity, leaving four Syrian soldiers injured, according to SANA
 
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