The whole thing is stupid! The song isn't racist & the background courthouse has been used in multiple music videos & movies but that's ok apparently. It's ridiculous.
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Oddly, I'm not too worried about the racial aspect of the song. I'm well aware that hometowns are happy to murder anybody who stands out. But in much of the U.S., melanin is a clear "stands out" criterion.
The song threatens lynching. I'm sure you're fine with that.
IMO if the guy didn't know somehow that the courthouse in conjunction with the song itself would lead to people thinking he's suggesting lynching, then he SHOULD have said "Oh shit, really? I did not mean that, okay, we'll edit the video."
Instead he's doubled down with the "That's not what it's about!" When clearly the song DOES promote violence if you go to a small town and do things his tender, snowflake heart don't agree with.
I suppose the fact that the Klan feels the need to come up with disingenuous lies is progress of a sort. Day was they proclaimed their race hate proudly.
"Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" was a political rallying cry during my lifetime.
What an absurd conclusion but hey, you can take it which ever way you want. It's not racist. It's simply stating what small towns are like. I grew up in a small town & people did look after each other, didn't tolerate foolishness. In fact, if you did something bad even a neighbor didn't think anything of giving you a a good talking to or take you in hand & march you to your house to tell your parents what you did & then there was consequences. That's all the song is saying is that most small towns would not condone what is happening in the large cities where no one knows their neighbors. That's all. And, he's right. Just sayin...
"Did you hear what the Smith kid did to Mr Miller's tractor.....?" "Yeah, his dad made him pump the tires back up with a bicyle tire pump."
Exactly! That's what the song is about - community, people helping people, knowing your neighbors etc. The bigots just can't stand it I guess.
Could be. I freely admit I'm damned if I can see a difference between the Liberals and the NDP. I'm not Canadian.
And you're not American.
Up here it’s hard to tell the difference up here between the NDP & the Liberals, especially since the non-coalition coalition that’s not a coalition thing. As far as I’m concerned, they’re interchangeable.
One has more open scandals, and the other one supports the first one no matter what it does…then pretends they’re in the opposition for the media. That’s about the only difference. Sometimes an orange turban to tell them apart?
There used to be a difference between the two, but then Jack Layton died and the NDP went to shit. Right now they're just a little more... I'm not sure if it's left or right of Liberal, it depends on the day
There use to be a difference between Lots of things, that there’s no difference between anymore. They’re both trying to out-left each other.There used to be a difference between the two, but then Jack Layton died and the NDP went to shit. Right now they're just a little more... I'm not sure if it's left or right of Liberal, it depends on the day
The Liberal/NDP or NDP/Liberal are like Chrysler/Dodge or Chevrolet/GM or Ford/Mercury. It’s the same.
Yeah, “NDP Orange” Turban tells them apart:
But….
…& Trudeau wears the White Turban:
Except…
Wait, Trudeau has the hair & Singh the beard:
Or is it Jagmeet with the hair & Justin with the beard? Something about eyebrows? Different policy’s on stuff? Reaction to the Trucker Protest over mandatory COVID vaccinations? Wait, different mailing addresses? Shoes sizes?
Right….I mean Left…one of them is the Government & the other is in the Opposition.
I can understand stand your confusion once I step back to see the Liberal Forest from the NDP Trees. They’re the same.
Interesting take on the whole Aldean song issue.
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I didn’t know why people kept mentioning “small towns,” but assumed it was a pop culture reference I was missing.
So, I googled it.
Jason Aldean, a country singer I've never heard of and will probably never think about again after people stop talking about him, recently released a song called, "Try That in a Small Town."
The song, if you've not heard it, threatens violence on people who do various things like car jacking, stomping on a flag, “cussing out” a cop, or robbing a liquor store at gun point.
A friend of mine pointed out that Aldean is from Macon, Georgia, with a population of over 150,000.
That’s… not a small town.
I’m from Logan, WV. Population is 1,400.
I came from Chauncey, WV, a coal camp in Logan. Population is 283. I am actually from “Chauncey Holler” (Hollow). Population is probably fewer than 100 people.
I’m from an actual small town.
I’m descended from the Hatfield/Vance clan of Hatfield and McCoy repute. I’m cut from the Shawnee resistance to the Indian Removal Act. My ancestors were freedmen. My ancestors mined the coal that kept the pacified middle class warm and cozy in their domesticated complacency.
And yes, if you come to an actual small town as an outsider and do things that seem threatening to insiders, they’ll handle it internally.
That much is true.
What Jason Aldean is talking about isn’t anything like what people from actual small towns would say. In fact, you won’t hear from them at all because it is not in the ethos of people from insular, isolated communities to try and posture with the outside world.
They don’t think people are actually going to come there and try to burn their crumbling infrastructure and rob their single-wide trailers and their dead grandma’s house they squat with duct tape and cut up trash bags for windows.
No city person is traveling to the middle of nowhere to steal your Aunt Gert’s Buick Skylark, Jason.
They don’t carry enough jugs of oil and coolant to pull over every few miles and top it off because they have not been waiting on that black lung settlement for over a decade to get their car fixed.
Noey (Noah) Mullens, the town mechanic, passes everyone’s car inspection because no one cares about regulations. The police would not ticket Aunt Gert, either, because when most everyone is that Poor, the police know better.
The police don’t “cross that line.”
No one is afraid of getting caught or being reported because no one is looking.
No one cares. No city folk care. No suburban country music singers care.
They’re invisible.
Police do not have much of a role in small towns. People do handle things on their own. No one is spitting in a cop’s face in a small town because Officer Joe Sias and his brother Don aren’t patrolling.
They probably never fired their weapons on the job at anything other than a rabid raccoon or coyote, and they’re considerably less armed than the average citizen. No one calls the police to report crimes.
But in a small town, you are very likely to be robbed by your neighbor’s adult kid with a meth or oxycontin addiction. They’ll steal your grandparents’ cancer and hospice meds and your tube TV.
And no one riots in a small town because they can’t afford to reach the power structures that left them so poor.
At nights, people steal the flood grates around small towns for scrap metal. They loot abandoned houses and businesses for copper wire and metal pipes to scrap. No one is ever going to revitalize those structures, so people just look the other way. By day they pick up beer and soda cans on the side of the road— for scrap.
Anything to avoid the mines.
Aldean’s video shows b-roll of protests, property destruction, violence, and generally unrelated incidents in big cities.
Nobody in those videos cares about what’s happening in somebody’s small town. This is the suburbanite white dude fantasy version of Scarface. It’s the product of having no sense of personal identity and appropriating some ill-imagined mixture of actual generational Poverty culture (which is not a white phenomenon) and a wholly American mythos of having a closed culture that worships assimilation.
They often don’t think they’re racist because they often do genuinely like their Black and Brown neighbors who fish and hunt with them and go to their churches and whose kids are on their kids’ little league team.
They have a vision of living in community that they can’t bring to reality because things have changed since the boomer generation's good hand. They have dreams of being financially successful if they just work hard enough, but those dreams are not coming to fruition because they’re an American myth.
They’re trying to hold on to a sense of grandiosity characterized by surviving struggles they never experienced and by having values they don’t understand or have no connection to.
They are angry at anyone defying the order because they cope with the loss of hope for a mythical future by trying to blame people being crushed by the systems that are also eroding the white working class (at a slower rate).
The rate has been so slow, they don’t realize their sentimentality about how great this nation is came from lies they were told and an identity that is as empty and illusory as the history they learned in school.
It’s the equivalent of trying to be the proverbial “golden child” to an abusive parent, maintaining the illusion that the truth-telling “scapegoat” is actually the problem.
That’s the “great again” that people like that bank on. The proverbial “New Jerusalem.”
Is the song racist?
That’s the wrong question, because it’s oversimplified.
Is the song a mediocre by-product of a mass delusion that white settlers have agreed to maintain because they too had their identities stolen by colonialism, so that they are also defined by Uncle Sam’s toxic legacy as the golden child who is too cowardly to ask questions, hear the truth, accept accountability, or fight back?
Yes.
This peacock of a song is a blatant and pitiable attempt at being unable to accept that they only get a pass from Uncle Sam when they assimilate into a fictional character that upholds the colonial ego of Big Daddy Nationalism and Mama Manifest Destiny.
Unpacking that everything you’ve ever been told is a lie is hard work, and they’re not cut out for that because they’re not actually workers.
They aren’t the cheap labor they benefit from. Their “small town” fantasy is as sincere as their “honest worker” fantasy.
They need to consult their ancestors, and not just the ones who got free [stolen] land.
My “small town” ancestors shot the sheriffs and the deputies, they burned whole towns to the ground, and they led the most violent uprisings in the history of Uncle Sam’s invasion because they did not see the people upholding the status quo as “their own.”
Jason Aldean has no idea who “his people” are. They’re not “small town” people. They’re the middle mass, the embodied entitlement that one inherits when they come from a legacy of settler colonialism, slave trading, and evangelical purity culture that justified genocide.
They’ve been convincing themselves they’re fighting for something noble for so long, they see the loss of that illusion as a threat to the only identity colonialism left them with— generic whiteness.
What he can’t handle is that he’s not a “good ol’ boy,” he’s just a bully doing the business of an abusive parent to preserve the illusion of the “pillar of community.”
If he knew how to be in community, he would not be building a cult following on nationalistic propaganda.
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·I didn’t know why people kept mentioning “small towns,” but assumed it was a pop culture reference I was missing.
So, I googled it.
Jason Aldean, a country singer I've never heard of and will probably never think about again after people stop talking about him, recently released a song called, "Try That in a Small Town."
The song, if you've not heard it, threatens violence on people who do various things like car jacking, stomping on a flag, “cussing out” a cop, or robbing a liquor store at gun point.
A friend of mine pointed out that Aldean is from Macon, Georgia, with a population of over 150,000.
That’s… not a small town.
I’m from Logan, WV. Population is 1,400.
I came from Chauncey, WV, a coal camp in Logan. Population is 283. I am actually from “Chauncey Holler” (Hollow). Population is probably fewer than 100 people.
I’m from an actual small town.
I’m descended from the Hatfield/Vance clan of Hatfield and McCoy repute. I’m cut from the Shawnee resistance to the Indian Removal Act. My ancestors were freedmen. My ancestors mined the coal that kept the pacified middle class warm and cozy in their domesticated complacency.
And yes, if you come to an actual small town as an outsider and do things that seem threatening to insiders, they’ll handle it internally.
That much is true.
What Jason Aldean is talking about isn’t anything like what people from actual small towns would say. In fact, you won’t hear from them at all because it is not in the ethos of people from insular, isolated communities to try and posture with the outside world.
They don’t think people are actually going to come there and try to burn their crumbling infrastructure and rob their single-wide trailers and their dead grandma’s house they squat with duct tape and cut up trash bags for windows.
No city person is traveling to the middle of nowhere to steal your Aunt Gert’s Buick Skylark, Jason.
They don’t carry enough jugs of oil and coolant to pull over every few miles and top it off because they have not been waiting on that black lung settlement for over a decade to get their car fixed.
Noey (Noah) Mullens, the town mechanic, passes everyone’s car inspection because no one cares about regulations. The police would not ticket Aunt Gert, either, because when most everyone is that Poor, the police know better.
The police don’t “cross that line.”
No one is afraid of getting caught or being reported because no one is looking.
No one cares. No city folk care. No suburban country music singers care.
They’re invisible.
Police do not have much of a role in small towns. People do handle things on their own. No one is spitting in a cop’s face in a small town because Officer Joe Sias and his brother Don aren’t patrolling.
They probably never fired their weapons on the job at anything other than a rabid raccoon or coyote, and they’re considerably less armed than the average citizen. No one calls the police to report crimes.
But in a small town, you are very likely to be robbed by your neighbor’s adult kid with a meth or oxycontin addiction. They’ll steal your grandparents’ cancer and hospice meds and your tube TV.
And no one riots in a small town because they can’t afford to reach the power structures that left them so poor.
At nights, people steal the flood grates around small towns for scrap metal. They loot abandoned houses and businesses for copper wire and metal pipes to scrap. No one is ever going to revitalize those structures, so people just look the other way. By day they pick up beer and soda cans on the side of the road— for scrap.
Anything to avoid the mines.
Aldean’s video shows b-roll of protests, property destruction, violence, and generally unrelated incidents in big cities.
Nobody in those videos cares about what’s happening in somebody’s small town. This is the suburbanite white dude fantasy version of Scarface. It’s the product of having no sense of personal identity and appropriating some ill-imagined mixture of actual generational Poverty culture (which is not a white phenomenon) and a wholly American mythos of having a closed culture that worships assimilation.
They often don’t think they’re racist because they often do genuinely like their Black and Brown neighbors who fish and hunt with them and go to their churches and whose kids are on their kids’ little league team.
They have a vision of living in community that they can’t bring to reality because things have changed since the boomer generation's good hand. They have dreams of being financially successful if they just work hard enough, but those dreams are not coming to fruition because they’re an American myth.
They’re trying to hold on to a sense of grandiosity characterized by surviving struggles they never experienced and by having values they don’t understand or have no connection to.
They are angry at anyone defying the order because they cope with the loss of hope for a mythical future by trying to blame people being crushed by the systems that are also eroding the white working class (at a slower rate).
The rate has been so slow, they don’t realize their sentimentality about how great this nation is came from lies they were told and an identity that is as empty and illusory as the history they learned in school.
It’s the equivalent of trying to be the proverbial “golden child” to an abusive parent, maintaining the illusion that the truth-telling “scapegoat” is actually the problem.
That’s the “great again” that people like that bank on. The proverbial “New Jerusalem.”
Is the song racist?
That’s the wrong question, because it’s oversimplified.
Is the song a mediocre by-product of a mass delusion that white settlers have agreed to maintain because they too had their identities stolen by colonialism, so that they are also defined by Uncle Sam’s toxic legacy as the golden child who is too cowardly to ask questions, hear the truth, accept accountability, or fight back?
Yes.
This peacock of a song is a blatant and pitiable attempt at being unable to accept that they only get a pass from Uncle Sam when they assimilate into a fictional character that upholds the colonial ego of Big Daddy Nationalism and Mama Manifest Destiny.
Unpacking that everything you’ve ever been told is a lie is hard work, and they’re not cut out for that because they’re not actually workers.
They aren’t the cheap labor they benefit from. Their “small town” fantasy is as sincere as their “honest worker” fantasy.
They need to consult their ancestors, and not just the ones who got free [stolen] land.
My “small town” ancestors shot the sheriffs and the deputies, they burned whole towns to the ground, and they led the most violent uprisings in the history of Uncle Sam’s invasion because they did not see the people upholding the status quo as “their own.”
Jason Aldean has no idea who “his people” are. They’re not “small town” people. They’re the middle mass, the embodied entitlement that one inherits when they come from a legacy of settler colonialism, slave trading, and evangelical purity culture that justified genocide.
They’ve been convincing themselves they’re fighting for something noble for so long, they see the loss of that illusion as a threat to the only identity colonialism left them with— generic whiteness.
What he can’t handle is that he’s not a “good ol’ boy,” he’s just a bully doing the business of an abusive parent to preserve the illusion of the “pillar of community.”
If he knew how to be in community, he would not be building a cult following on nationalistic propaganda.
I miss read the first line above as the whole Aladdin song issue….& thought it was referencing Justin‘s white turban at first. Whoops!!
What an idiotic & stupid post. Listen to the song. Violence & racism is not mentioned whatsoever! God these people are stupid!!
I recall reading of an incedance
Not from what I see . In the mid 1970’s a biker gang the Satans Angels or the Haney hogs , somebody like that . They wheeled into Hinton B.C. causing a ruckus and terrorizing . After a few phone calls the local cowboys came to town . End of story .
Which one of the Antifa riot videos upset you the most?