Ontario to fund more private clinic surgeries in bid to stabilize health-care system

[Taxslave2]

One model is that the government is more of an insurance provider paying all the bills but the services are all private and not owned by the government. I think this would cost more but would be a better system for the patients.

Removing all the excess layers of mismanagement government provides would most likely result in a huge cost saving.

 

[pgs]

Both major parties are complicit on the Health Care file and they seem to be at a loss as to how to "fix it". Because of the uproar from Canadians whenever "a private alternative" is mentioned, (even if still paid for by government), so politicians won't challenge our current system. With the word "private", it seems that people automatically think that you must have money in order to access it so it's not Universal but it could be.

If it was explained properly, people might be more for it but I could be wrong. Also, in today's world, the lack of resources (i.e. people power) would maybe (?) not make it viable now, I don't know. Just throwing it out there.....

There is also the uproar from the government sector unions if they aren’t offered full participation .

 

[petros]

Both major parties are complicit on the Health Care file and they seem to be at a loss as to how to "fix it". Because of the uproar from Canadians whenever "a private alternative" is mentioned, (even if still paid for by government), so politicians won't challenge our current system. With the word "private", it seems that people automatically think that you must have money in order to access it so it's not Universal but it could be.

If it was explained properly, people might be more for it but I could be wrong. Also, in today's world, the lack of resources (i.e. people power) would maybe (?) not make it viable now, I don't know. Just throwing it out there.....

Its top heavy, thats the problem.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Its top heavy, thats the problem.

True dat!

 

[Serryah]

Sadly three people have died in NB hospitals over the past couple of months and people are upset about it. 2 died in waiting rooms, one had symptoms worsen and was taken to the ED where he passed.

Higgs got rid of the CEO's of both RHA's and switched out the health minister. Still things happened.

Listened to the new minister this am and heard nothing new really.

Libs, Cons; no one has a solution for health care in Canada.

 

[petros]

You supported vaccine mandates so live with what you created and as you'd say "STFU".

 

[pgs]

Sadly three people have died in NB hospitals over the past couple of months and people are upset about it. 2 died in waiting rooms, one had symptoms worsen and was taken to the ED where he passed.

Higgs got rid of the CEO's of both RHA's and switched out the health minister. Still things happened.

Listened to the new minister this am and heard nothing new really.

Libs, Cons; no one has a solution for health care in Canada.

Maybe if you had more doctors than administers this wouldn’t happen as often .

 

[pgs]

You supported vaccine mandates so live with what you created and as you'd say "STFU".

Yup let’s fire twenty percent of the workforce and cry .

 

[Jinentonix]

Well, guess Ontario is just special that way then, as usual

Blah blah blah.

So for Ontario, the Liberals are always to blame.

Well, they were in power for 15 fucking years so you figure it out.

Here in NB, it's both parties - Liberal and Cons - cause for the past 30 years or so both Governments have done SFA when it comes to helping out health care.

NB clearly sucks worse than Ontario.

Ah, see here, we have those damned Americans defrauding the province for health care. Cause too many NBers have 'friends/family' that are yanks who get a hold of cards to get free health care.

Well NB isn't exactly numero uno on most immigrants' settlement lists.

Yer right, that would be idiocy.



Funny, all your complaints about Ontario Libs, when right now Ford is in charge and he's doing SFA pretty much, or at least, so I hear.

Takes more than 4 years (with a pandemic thrown in for good measure) to undo 15 years worth of neglect. Not that he's done a great job either but it sure beats the Liberals 'we tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas'.

 

[Serryah]

Blah blah blah.

Well, they were in power for 15 fucking years so you figure it out.

And from people I know who work in Ontario Health care, it's like anywhere else in Canada, the problems have been around much longer than that so maybe focus a little more on the actual history of the problem instead of your jerking off to the Libs having fucked something up.

NB clearly sucks worse than Ontario.

Agree with you there, it probably does, but then Higgs is a fucking dipshit.

Well NB isn't exactly numero uno on most immigrants' settlement lists.

No, though our immigrant population is more than it ever was.

So you have immigrants, we have yanks. In the end, it's people who are not Canadian defrauding our country's health care.

Takes more than 4 years (with a pandemic thrown in for good measure) to undo 15 years worth of neglect. Not that he's done a great job either but it sure beats the Liberals 'we tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas'.

As I said, likely a lot longer than 15 years of neglect.

Don't assume I'm all pro-liberal for health care, considering it's the Libs that really started the push to NB's health care going to crap under McKenna. Rather it is not just one party that has done the damage that is the point. Insisting it's just one or the other is ignoring the fact that regardless of WHO the governments were, our health care is shit and if something isn't done, it will continue to crap out until we're left with nothing.

 

[harrylee]

It seems healthcare is an issue no matter where you go. I am pretty healthy so have had very little contact with the system. What I have needed has been timely and effective. My wife has had some cancer issues, wait times have not been an issue so far.
There are extreme cases in everything....can't please all of the people all of the time.

 

[Jinentonix]

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And from people I know who work in Ontario Health care, it's like anywhere else in Canada, the problems have been around much longer than that so maybe focus a little more on the actual history of the problem instead of your jerking off to the Libs having fucked something up.

I've lived in Ontario for all but 4 years of my life. I'm giving you actual fucking history. I don't care what some dipshits born in the 90's have told you. I watched Ontario's health care system decline dramatically under the Liberals. I've also never seen the Ontario PC's play stupid fucking partisan games with people's health care either. Of course around 30 years of the Fed's reckless attitude towards immigration isn't helping the health care situation any either. Not to mention the previous federal Liberal govt balancing its budget at the expense of provincial health care (and education).

No, though our immigrant population is more than it ever was.

And yet the entire population of NB is less than the number of immigrants living in Ontario.

As I said, likely a lot longer than 15 years of neglect.

Nope, sorry. While not perfect, Ontario's health care system was pretty damn decent before 2003.

 

[Serryah]

I've lived in Ontario for all but 4 years of my life. I'm giving you actual fucking history. I don't care what some dipshits born in the 90's have told you.

Wow, great assumption there, Jinny.

Pretty sure the people who work health care that I know in Ontario aren't 90's babies. They're actually older than I am, so that puts them 50's.

But whatever.

I watched Ontario's health care system decline dramatically under the Liberals.

I don't doubt that.

I've also never seen the Ontario PC's play stupid fucking partisan games with people's health care either.

That I do doubt, but again, whatever.

Of course around 30 years of the Fed's reckless attitude towards immigration isn't helping the health care situation any either.

Yes, cause it's ALL the fault of immigration that Canada's health care is in the dirt.

Not to mention the previous federal Liberal govt balancing its budget at the expense of provincial health care (and education).

Again, will agree with that, too.

And yet the entire population of NB is less than the number of immigrants living in Ontario.

So... that means what, exactly? Your superior Ontario Attitude dubs us not worthy? Psh, that's not anything new, coming from the Center of All.

Nope, sorry. While not perfect, Ontario's health care system was pretty damn decent before 2003.

I'll take that with a grain of salt, unless you specifically worked in health care. Cause being Joe Public, even people here assumed health care was 'pretty damn decent' until 'recently', without knowing just how bad it was starting to get.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

So... that means what, exactly? Your superior Ontario Attitude dubs us not worthy? Psh, that's not anything new, coming from the Center of All.

I think he means that New Brunswick is a really small province.

Speaking of New Brunswick ...

We ranked the provinces and tried really hard not to put New Brunswick last

As a favour to our friends in the province just east of Quebec and just west of the fun island ones, we tried our best not to put New Brunswick last.

www.thebeaverton.com

 

[Serryah]

I think he means that New Brunswick is a really small province.

I think he's being Jin and that's full of layers of meaning.

And if he was talking to someone who didn't know that NB was 'small' compared to Ontario, that might excuse him.

Speaking of New Brunswick ...

We ranked the provinces and tried really hard not to put New Brunswick last

As a favour to our friends in the province just east of Quebec and just west of the fun island ones, we tried our best not to put New Brunswick last.

www.thebeaverton.com

*shrug*

At one point I would have likely been even just a bit defensive since I do like NB as a place. It's 'home'. Or rather it used to be.

Now, if I could, I'd move. Just like so many others, for a lot of the same reason.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I just thought it was funny in a Beaverton sort of way.

 

[The_Foxer]

Libs, Cons; no one has a solution for health care in Canada.

Well the Cons know that firing people you need to provide that care is a bad idea, even if they are forced to it by lib supporters from time to time. That'd be part of the solution.

Letting the private sector play a larger role in provisioning would certainly help. Although that's not an answer by itself. But it would definitely ease the burden but lib and dip supporters are brutally against it even if people die. These are the same people who were all over the internet screaming about how they'd rather see people die than let non vaxxed health care workers keep their jobs under any circumstance.

Conservatives actually do have a plan to make things better. I'ts the ndp and the libs that get in the way of that.

 

[Serryah]

Well the Cons know that firing people you need to provide that care is a bad idea, even if they are forced to it by lib supporters from time to time. That'd be part of the solution.

Letting the private sector play a larger role in provisioning would certainly help. Although that's not an answer by itself. But it would definitely ease the burden but lib and dip supporters are brutally against it even if people die. These are the same people who were all over the internet screaming about how they'd rather see people die than let non vaxxed health care workers keep their jobs under any circumstance.

Conservatives actually do have a plan to make things better. I'ts the ndp and the libs that get in the way of that.

If the Cons have a plan to make things better, then someone should inform Blaine Higgs of NB of that fact, since he's only made things worse.

Sorry (not sorry), but Cons are as bad as the Libs when it comes to health care; as in, none of them were prepared or gave a shit to stop the issue before it became one.

 

[The_Foxer]

If the Cons have a plan to make things better, then someone should inform Blaine Higgs of NB of that fact, since he's only made things worse.

Sorry (not sorry), but Cons are as bad as the Libs when it comes to health care; as in, none of them were prepared or gave a shit to stop the issue before it became one.

So out of 10 provincial parties and 1 federal party, you could only find 1 conservative example of making it worse.

Yet we can find many of the other parties. The ndp in BC has made it worse, the ndp in alberta did nothing and had no plan when they were in power, the voters in ontario just puked their guts out over the ndp and liberal plans knowing they were horrible, and Justin has been an unmitigated disaster, underfunding AND pushing for the unvaxxed to be fired.

So Sorry (not sorry) but clearly the conservatives are the only one with a plan, and the libs and their supporters need to shut up before more unnecessary deaths happen.

 

[Serryah]

So out of 10 provincial parties and 1 federal party, you could only find 1 conservative example of making it worse.

Well, first off I know NB best because I work in health care in NB.

NS has been just as horrible and we've had patients cross from NS to NB for care because it was so bad, and that was under Lib leadership. That said, their current Con hasn't done much either. In fact, the general feeling of people in NS is that the Cons have not fulfilled their promises to fix health care and are making it worse. You seem to think it's a one party at fault only thing; I don't. It's been all parties, just currently the NB Con party has been worse.

I don't focus on Federal because they are limited in how health care is dealt with overall.

Yet we can find many of the other parties. The ndp in BC has made it worse, the ndp in alberta did nothing and had no plan when they were in power, the voters in ontario just puked their guts out over the ndp and liberal plans knowing they were horrible, and Justin has been an unmitigated disaster, underfunding AND pushing for the unvaxxed to be fired.

See above re other parties.

So Sorry (not sorry) but clearly the conservatives are the only one with a plan, and the libs and their supporters need to shut up before more unnecessary deaths happen.

LMFAO - sure dude, whatever floats your need to be Consucked.

(edited to fix my party mix ups for NS)