Ontario to fund more private clinic surgeries in bid to stabilize health-care system
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Your occupation is not really personal information. Where you work, your salary or your employer name are.You literally asked for personal information. What i do for a living is pretty much the definition of that
I can see where you'd try to pass that kind of thing off as just being a joke when you got called out on it tho. Pretty common tactic
Of course it's personal information. And the one tends to lead to the other. That's how scammers work. Scammers and doxxers never just ask you outright for the info they want, they get a little at a time. First it's What do you do for a living specifically. Then it's what province or city do you live in. Then things get easy to narrow down.
If i say i'm a nurse and they know i'm working in saskatoon in response to what medical experience i have with hospitals, we've narrowed my workplaces down to about 3 places already. Not hard to finish from there.
That's why scammers ask that stuff. Note how insistent she was that i identify my precise type of work. Not just "do you work in medicine' tho that would be bad enough but wanting details on my specific job and coming back repeatedly to push for that info.
Be VERY careful around people who do that. There's usually a reason they want that kind of specific information about you and yes - it is personal so it's always wise to keep it that way.
I believe the back up plan is to ask the feds for more money again at a later point. This seems to have been going on for a while.
And at the end of the day while more money will help a little and may let them take some of the pressure off, it's simply not a solution. The model itself has got very serious challenges that more money just won't fix.
You should write a book about your massive knowledge and experience with Ontario health care.
Here's the thing. The model works "ok-ish" when you have a flat population. In other words, a pretty constant and consistant age population with roughly the same proportional number of kids, adults, and elderly spread nicely across the board over long periods of time.
It DOESN'T work well at all when there are 'bubbles' or 'bulges' in the population. People cost more or less in resources depending on their age, so if a large bulge of people happen to get old out of proportion to the young people coming up the pipe, the system doesn't get enough money. And the system is based around very long term planning - you can't just 'add' more resources, you need to be planning for 20 years out when it comes to how many training seats you have at the schools and how many hospitals you build etc.
The baby boomers all just hit retirement over the last decade or two, with the last of them just hitting that age now. That is a huge population bubble that is now costing the system massive resources and that will continue for the next 20 years till they die off. And it will take most of that time for gov'ts to adapt under our current system. So - 20 -30 years from now it might work again but that's a long time to wait if you're sick.
the private sector may be able to react more quickly in some areas and we should be exploring that more aggressively. But - we need to look at the whole picture including how to train more people and bring more trained people in from elsewhere.
All the money in the world cant hire staff that doesnt exist or quit and wont go back.
Quite true, but enough money and planning can create those people and ensure the environment they work in doesn't force them to quit. Unfortunately tho, under our current model that money and planning has to happen a decade or two before you need those people.
So it's too late for our system to work. So we need to look at other models IMMEDIATELY that may cut that time down from decades to years. We will probably have to tap the private sector's ability to respond faster, look for ways to be more efficient such as things like the 'nurse practitioner' programs in some provinces and tell the unions to STFU and get behind some of the changes they historically resist, strongly improve telemedicine and make radical changes to get foreign medical experts certified much faster. We probably are going to have to consider relaxing our standards a bit because it's better for everyone to have decent care rather than having so few resources that nobody gets decent care.
It's a mess. And with some people and their sacred cow attitudes about public health care it's going to be a fight.
The crash started nearly 20 years ago. There has been 2 decades to prepare and seniors arent causing the issue.
Fuck that. Start stepping on Canada's medical schools. Foreign students pay more to attend than Canadian students and thus our medical schools tend to be filled with foreign students while ours have to go someplace else to get their medical education. Which means that in order to practice medicine in Canada they have to be recertified.
Our medical schools should be forced to take in Canadian students first, then they can fill any leftover seats with foreign students.
Not saying you're wrong, but in a best case scenario even if we did that or expanded the class capacity to make sure everyone who wanted to could attend tomorrow, it would still take 4-6 years just for the first new 'extra' nurses to come off the assembly line and double that for intern doctors. And then they have to get experienced etc. That's just to start to improve things, it would take years beyond that till we had enough.
There just isn't the time.
Certifying foreign health professionals who are qualified but arent working is indeed a fast way to help the situation.
Nursing Unions who oppose certification and oppose private clinics have shit the bed.
It won't fix things in the immediacy but it's been a contributing problem for a long time and govts have chosen to ignore it. We can't just focus on the now, we also need to work on making sure things improve down the road as well.
I fully understand that like any other school, universities need money to operate. But we can't have them operating as for-profit ventures when it's negatively affecting Canadians and their ability to get a post-secondary education in Canada. And it's not just medical schools where this is a problem.