Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Hoid]

Yeah, the reason I focused on "reasonable cause" is successive Liberal gov'ts in this country have reduced the constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search to the point of irrelevance. And yes, the right is specifically listed in our Charter of rights and freedoms.


The Firearms Act gives the state the right to "inspect" any place where they believe there is a gun collection, or any grandfathered prohibited weapon. That "inspection" allows them to search, to seize, and leaves the owner subject to 2 years in jail he he refuses any aid requested by the "inspectors". Oh, and the Catch 22............no warrant is required. If you refuse entry, that in itself is reason for a judge to issue a warrant. So, you have rights until the second you invoke them, then they disappear in a puff of smoke.


The current Liberal gov't has brought in impaired driving laws that allow the police to administer drug or alcohol testing with no reasonable cause (technically a search)


Socialists, even socialist light parties, despise individual rights.

I am shocked that they would have to bring in a special act for that.

 

[petros]

Liberal bullshit surprises you?

 

[taxslave]

Hoid admires me?
Who knew?

Kiss of death.

 

[taxslave]

The valid reason are the people who get killed by being shot.
If someone shoots you and kills you the gun has been used properly to do what it is supposed to do.

If you were not such a retard people would quit trying to put you out of your misery.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Isn't this suppose to be what our new task force is suppose to be fixing, the US law enforcement broke this ring for Canada.

Anyway more of this and less of attacking law abiding citizens

'They were making a lot of money bringing them to Canada': U.S. busts alleged cross-border gunrunners, Toronto man wanted

On April 27, 2019, two young men, one visiting from Toronto and the other a local resident in Columbus, Ohio, wandered through the Ohio Expo Center gun show, visiting vendors, examining handguns and talking to sellers.

Stepping to one side, they then quietly spoke with two women they had earlier given $2,000 to and, as the men walked away, the women stepped up, filled out the required paperwork and bought four semi-automatic handguns: a Ruger .380 caliber and three Glock 9mm weapons.

In a parking lot outside, the women turned over the guns and were paid $500 for their services.

It was to be the first stage in a long-running gun-smuggling operation moving firearms across the border into Canada, where a handgun bought in the United States for $500 could be sold on the streets of Toronto for as much as ten times that amount, authorities said.

A series of prosecutions and arrests in the United States tracked by National Post , including new indictments against 10 people this week, reveal detailed allegations of how U.S. guns were illegally making their way onto Canada’s blackmarket.

Seven men were arrested Wednesday for the alleged conspiracy and four others are considered fugitives, wanted for arrest by U.S. authorities, including a Toronto man, 23-year-old Hussein Ahmed.

“I want to apologize on behalf of the people of the United States of America for our guys bringing guns to your country,” David DeVillers, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio, said in an interview. His office is prosecuting this case and others like it.

“The guns were purchased at different locations here, and they were making a lot of money bringing them to Canada. There’s a huge markup. The idea was to bring them to a place where they could sell them for a lot of money.”

Authorities in Ohio say the gun smuggling was up and running at least by July 2018.

The group bought guns in the United States by both legal and illegal means, including through straw purchases (like at the gun show), when someone is paid to buy guns in their name but then hands them over to someone else.

They stockpiled the guns and then smuggled them in bulk into Canada, recruiting female drivers, enticing them with a free trip to Canada and drugs and alcohol.

The guns were often hidden in rented or leased Toyota Camry sedans, because the car has empty space by the centre console that can be use for storage of guns or money.

From the middle of 2018 to mid-2019, authorities believe the group moved more than 30 guns into Canada.

Money then flowed back to Ohio.

One time, on July 3, 2018, two of the men were found with $11,470 when crossing back into the United States, court documents allege. On Sept. 12, 2018, another pair was caught with $25,191 at Columbus airport after a flight from Canada.

One of the leaders in the conspiracy, prosecutors allege, was Omar Sharif Mohamed Hassan, a 25-year-old Columbus resident known by the nickname “O-Bandz.”

N.S. shooter's semi-automatic weapons believed to have come from U.S., police say
This is what it would look like if Canada banned all handguns
He recruited others into the scheme and told them what to do, the indictment says. He oversaw the buying and stockpiling of guns and much of the smuggling activity into Canada, and disciplining others for mistakes made during the operation, the indictment alleges.

At least three times, cars were stopped while trying to cross into Canada and guns found inside: on March 11, April 20, and April 23, 2019. Canada Border Services Agency could not provide details of the stops prior to deadline Friday.

Nine days before the last of those border stops, Hassan was spotted driving the wrong way on a one-way street in Colombus. During the traffic stop, police found two guns, including a Glock pistol, according to the indictment. The same Glock was later seized at the border during the smuggling attempt on April 23, authorities said.

By then, just when the border smuggling trips were increasingly frequent, authorities had figured out what was going on.

And that was just when Ahmed visited from Toronto.

He arrived in Columbus, and went to the gun show that same day, authorities allege. U.S. federal agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were also there, watching them.

After the dealings at the show, the Columbus man, Abdirahman O. Abdirahman, was arrested and charged with his role in the conspiracy to illegally buy guns. His case, heard in February, is related to, but not a part of, the current indictment.

The case built against the other men, unveiled this week, remained under court seal while the investigation into the wider smuggling ring continued, in cooperation with Canadian law enforcement agencies.

Authorities were pressuring Abdirahman to cooperate. There were meetings about it while he awaited his sentencing, court documents show, but when Abdirahman was called to testify before the grand jury against co-conspirators, he refused.

Eric Hoffman, Abdirahman’s lawyer, said in court that his client was subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury.

“He showed up at the courthouse,” said Hoffman. “He showed up and he chose not to testify… He was always reluctant to (testify), though, and didn’t really tell me why, but we probably can guess why.”

In response, Abdirahman was held in contempt of court and sent to prison. While in prison, Abdirahman was convinced he had or was going to get COVID-19, and repeatedly asked the court to release him. His requests were turned down, partially because he could be released at any time — if he testified.

The new indictments are not the end of the case, DeVillers said.

First, he is waiting to put Ahmed before the courts in the U.S. That will likely take an extradition hearing. Then he expects other arrests.

“The investigation is ongoing. We are not done yet. We are still investigating other defendants and other circumstances with your law enforcement.”

 

[Twin_Moose]

What are the chances that Hussein Ahmed gets extradited? I'm glad it is a US article that way the names are there for us to see not redacted for their safety

 

[Colpy]

CCFR v Canada: Department of Justice



Here's another Access to Information Act request and reply. This one tells you what the government of Canada is actually up to. Get ready to be really pissed off...



This one is to the Department of Justice, the legal advisors to the government, Cabinet, and the Governor General...



Request: "Request access to information related to Order in Council P.C. 2020-298, May 1, 2020 (the “Order in Council”), making the Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted on May 1, 2020 (the “Regulations”), and P.C. 2020-299, May 1, 2020, making the Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the “Amnesty Order”). In particular, we request that you provide us with electronic copies of the records below as they may be held by or otherwise available to the Department of Justice, including the Minister of Justice (the "DOJ"): 1. All records, including but in no way limited to research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council."



So this is for their research ".. related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council..."



Get ready...



Reply: "...Pursuant to paragraphs 9(1)(a) and 9(1)(b) of the Access to Information Act, I hereby notify you that an additional 2,920 days are required to comply with your request. The extended period of time is required because the request necessitates a search through a large number of records and meeting the original time limit would unreasonably interfere with the operations of the Department...."

So their answer is "we'll get back to you in 8 years".



Literally, 8 years!!!


This is the kind of BS we have come to expect from these idiots. Eight years! Openess and transparency my furry arse. And people wonder why we don't trust the state, and why we believe gun grabbers are lying, dishonest scum that just want to rule the helpless.

The Liberals have got to go.

 

[pgs]

CCFR v Canada: Department of Justice



Here's another Access to Information Act request and reply. This one tells you what the government of Canada is actually up to. Get ready to be really pissed off...



This one is to the Department of Justice, the legal advisors to the government, Cabinet, and the Governor General...



Request: "Request access to information related to Order in Council P.C. 2020-298, May 1, 2020 (the “Order in Council”), making the Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted on May 1, 2020 (the “Regulations”), and P.C. 2020-299, May 1, 2020, making the Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the “Amnesty Order”). In particular, we request that you provide us with electronic copies of the records below as they may be held by or otherwise available to the Department of Justice, including the Minister of Justice (the "DOJ"): 1. All records, including but in no way limited to research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council."



So this is for their research ".. related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council..."



Get ready...



Reply: "...Pursuant to paragraphs 9(1)(a) and 9(1)(b) of the Access to Information Act, I hereby notify you that an additional 2,920 days are required to comply with your request. The extended period of time is required because the request necessitates a search through a large number of records and meeting the original time limit would unreasonably interfere with the operations of the Department...."

So their answer is "we'll get back to you in 8 years".



Literally, 8 years!!!


This is the kind of BS we have come to expect from these idiots. Eight years! Openess and transparency my furry arse. And people wonder why we don't trust the state, and why we believe gun grabbers are lying, dishonest scum that just want to rule the helpless.

The Liberals have got to go.

Take the bureaucracy with them . Maybe get Trump or Putin to nuke Ottawant and start over .

 

[petros]

It was to be the first stage in a long-running gun-smuggling operation moving firearms across the border into Canada, where a handgun bought in the United States for $500 could be sold on the streets of Toronto for as much as ten times that amount, authorities said.

A 9mm starts at $339.99 CAD at Cabelas/BassPro.

Why take the risk of CBSA and CBP?

Unless.....

 

[Twin_Moose]

Another fail for our gun smuggling task force.

Alberta man accused of gun smuggling expected to plead guilty in United States

An Alberta man accused of smuggling guns across the Canadian border is expected to plead guilty to the crime in the United States, recently filed court documents show.

Colby Skolseg is accused of shipping handguns from the United States to Canada on two occasions, in 2010 and 2012. The 44-year-old recently abandoned an extradition appeal set for this week in Edmonton.

A plea agreement filed August 21 in Great Falls, Mont., said Skolseg will enter a guilty plea to a single count of attempted illegal export. If convicted, he faces up to ten years in prison.

“The defendant himself admits this is a serious (offence),” U.S. Attorney Kurt G. Alme writes in a government sentencing memo. “While the government commends the fact that Skolseg is no longer an international firearms smuggler, the criminal conduct for which he is taking responsibility has to have actual, concrete consequences.”

Skolseg is accused of participating in two schemes to ship handguns across the border. In September 2010, he and an accomplice allegedly tried to mail eight guns from Great Falls to Calgary by concealing them inside an aquarium cooler. Officials intercepted the weapons at a FedEx warehouse in Calgary.

In 2012, Skolseg allegedly tried again, using the now-defunct online black market Silk Road to make contact with a seller in West Virginia. The shipper, who was prosecuted for conspiracy and money laundering, was expected to testify that he shipped a total of 25 guns to a Calgary post office box.

In the sentencing memo, Alme notes Canada’s gun laws are far more restrictive than those in the United States.

“Our northern (neighbour) has worked hard to keep handguns off their streets and as a result has experienced violent crime at much lower rates,” he writes. “Knowing this, Skolseg disregarded the safety of Canadians and flagrantly violated the laws of both nations, all for financial gain.”
At the time of his initial extradition appeal in Alberta’s Court of Queen’s Bench, Skolseg was facing four counts of attempting to conceal items for illegal export and a count of possessing firearms with “obliterated” serial numbers. Justice Douglas Mah ultimately found there was sufficient evidence to commit Skolseg for extradition.
Probation or prison time?
U.S. prosecutors argue Skolseg should serve 46 to 57 months in prison, arguing the handguns presented a “serious risk” to the Canadian public.

Skolseg, however, argues a probation order followed by deportation to Canada is the right sentence, given his lack of criminal record in either country. In the sentencing brief, he noted his co-accused was given a short sentence, then deported, after being convicted of possessing fraudulent immigration documents in 2013.

Alme said Skolseg’s proposal is unworkable, given the United States Probation Office has no jurisdiction in Canada.

“A short weekend trip to Great Falls, Montana, to appear, plead guilty, be sentenced, and immediately return home with no form of supervision or other consequence is simply insufficient,” he wrote.
“Such a request is outrageous.”

Skolseg’s next court date is Sept. 10.

 

[petros]

A 9mm starts at $339.99 CAD at Cabelas/BassPro.
Why take the risk of CBSA and CBP?
Unless.....

In the sentencing memo, Alme notes Canada’s gun laws are far more restrictive than those in the United States.

“Our northern (neighbour) has worked hard to keep handguns off their streets and as a result has experienced violent crime at much lower rates,” he writes. “


That's what I thought.

 

[Colpy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBtn61F9d-M&feature=youtu.be

 

[JLM]

In the sentencing memo, Alme notes Canada’s gun laws are far more restrictive than those in the United States.

“Our northern (neighbour) has worked hard to keep handguns off their streets and as a result has experienced violent crime at much lower rates,” he writes. “


That's what I thought.

Fewer guns are going to result in less violence, but fewer assholes behind the guns will result in far less violence!

 

[taxslave]

More guns in the right hands will prevent violence.

 

[JamesBondo]

I'm not convinced that there is a strong association between firearms and violence. For example, Britain has a very high rate of violence yet they have less firearms than Canadians. If there was a strong association, wouldn't that mean that Canada would be at risk of high violence if we ever reach the same levels of gun control as Britain?

 

[JLM]

More guns in the right hands will prevent violence.

But I think probably in very rare cases. Perhaps different people will be doing the dying!

 

[taxslave]

But I think probably in very rare cases. Perhaps different people will be doing the dying!

I am not opposed to certain criminals dying.

 

[Colpy]

LILLEY: Shootings up as Trudeau's gun ban fails

Author of the article:
Brian Lilley
Publishing date:
Sep 08, 2020 • Last Updated 18 hours ago • 3 minute read

Article content

When Justin Trudeau announced his massive gun ban back on May 1, he told the country he was doing it to tackle gun violence and make Canada safer.
“Every single Canadian wants to see less gun violence and safer communities. So today, we take another big step forward,” Trudeau said.

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“Enough is enough. Banning these firearms will save Canadian lives,” Trudeau’s public safety minister Bill Blair stated emphatically.
Too bad it isn’t working.
Between May 1 and Sept. 6, shootings were up in Canada’s biggest city. So were the number of people killed by guns.
In total, between when Trudeau announced his ban and the Labour Day weekend, Toronto saw 208 shootings with 92 people injured and 14 people killed. In that same time period for 2019, there were 185 shootings, 92 injured and 12 people killed.
Did Trudeau forget to take aim at criminals when trying to tackle the gun crime that is a real issue in many cities across Canada?




When Trudeau banned 1,500 guns or variants of rifles that he described as “military-grade assault weapons,” he wasn’t banning guns that are used in crime, he was banning guns used in hunting or at the gun range by licensed owners. Since May 1, hundreds more firearms have been added to the banned list even though they are shotguns or bolt-action rifles.


Those are firearms used for hunting not by criminals.


“Zero impact” is how Marcell Wilson summed up Trudeau’s gun ban on the gang violence plaguing our biggest cities.
Wilson should know; he used to be part of that world smuggling guns and running his own organization. Now he’s turned his life around and operates One By One, an organization that helps people get out of the gang life.


Banning these rifles, he said, won’t stop the shootings because gangs rarely — if ever — use them.


“Definitely handguns of smaller calibre in my day was ideal. Easy to conceal and easy to throw away if need be,” Wilson said.


Former Toronto Police detective Mark Mendelson, who spent 14 years as a lead investigator on the city’s homicide squad, said he agrees with Wilson when it comes to Trudeau’s gun ban aiming at the wrong target.


“These are not the guns used in crimes that involve the gangs,” Mendelson said.


“They’re running around with Glocks, Smith and Wesson, semi-automatic pistols.”


What Trudeau has banned were guns with no history of crime in this country claiming it would stop the shootings. The numbers show that’s not the case.




Shootings are up 12.5% this summer compared to the same time period in 2019 and 24% higher than what was recorded during the summer of 2018. Compared to summer 2015, the summer just before Trudeau was elected, shootings are up 83% in Toronto.


This was never about keep Canadians safer or reducing gun crime. This was about Trudeau looking like he was taking strong action when he wasn’t.




Shootings have been going up during his entire tenure in office and he hasn’t been able to deal with it.


Gun crime is a very real issue in Canada but the Liberals seem to forget the crime part and only focus on the gun part. Tracking down criminals and getting them to hand over their guns is difficult, tracking down licensed gun owners is much easier.


The government plans to spend more than $600 million, could be more than $1 billion, to pay legal gun owners to hand over their now banned rifles and shotguns.


Rather than spend this amount of money on something that has no chance of reducing gun crime, just a portion of it spent on groups like Wilson’s could go a long way towards dealing with the root problems.


C’mon Justin, it’s time to aim your efforts at the right target.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...PwC_aQXXg0DOtP69wGHV8k3oTYjrk4t_0lnVgsSDtdx6s

 

[Hoid]

I believe they are already in the process of banning handguns in cities.

It is a logical step and one that obviously everyone is going to support.

 

[JamesBondo]

I believe they are already in the process of banning handguns in cities.
It is a logical step and one that obviously everyone is going to support.

Why is it logical?