Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Hoid

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So. . . buying back guns from the people who aren't the problem, by your own estimation, is the solution?

Ohhhhh-KAY.
Your characterization of the situation is merely a reflection of your bias towards gun ownership.

I get it.

You were brought up in a culture that loves and admires guns. What choice did you have?

But in order to create a culture that hates and disrespects guns what else is there to do but to start to eliminate them?

There is no one step that ever achieves a difficult goal.

We are taking baby steps and the elimination of the legal war gun market is an easy and logical beginning.
 

Hoid

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I have said many times that the elimination of handguns is a far more difficult proposition but a far more serious problem.. But how to you even begin to address handgun ownership when people are still able to buy machine guns?
 

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I have said many times that the elimination of handguns is a far more difficult proposition but a far more serious problem.. But how to you even begin to address handgun ownership when people are still able to buy machine guns?
Um. . . because handguns and machine guns are different things?

It's like asking "how can you even begin to address fentanyl use when people are still able to buy aspirin?"

But I commend you for getting to the notion that handguns are the overwhelming majority of the problem. I personally favor a pretty liberal regime of long gun ownership, and effectively no right to own or carry a handgun, but a licensing regime that permits it upon presentation of one's bona fides.
 

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JLM

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Your characterization of the situation is merely a reflection of your bias towards gun ownership.

I get it.

You were brought up in a culture that loves and admires guns. What choice did you have?

But in order to create a culture that hates and disrespects guns what else is there to do but to start to eliminate them?

There is no one step that ever achieves a difficult goal.

We are taking baby steps and the elimination of the legal war gun market is an easy and logical beginning.


What would be a valid reason for hating and disrespecting guns?


When guns are used improperly, is it the guns who is at fault or the guy pulling the trigger?
 

Hoid

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The valid reason are the people who get killed by being shot.

If someone shoots you and kills you the gun has been used properly to do what it is supposed to do.
 
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JamesBondo

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The valid reason are the people who get killed by being shot.
If someone shoots you and kills you the gun has been used properly to do what it is supposed to do.

You are a complete moron.

My guns are bought and used for what they are supposed to do. Hunting.
 

JLM

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The valid reason are the people who get killed by being shot.

If someone shoots you and kills you the gun has been used properly to do what it is supposed to do.


That's pure utter unadulterated bull shit, Hoid and you know it as would a five year old child. That would only apply in the situation of WAR. Outside of war that is NOT the proper use of a gun. How thick can you be?
 

NZDoug

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Sigh.
Raiding gang headquarters has NOTHING to do with guys that held their guns legally, unless you guys were issuing firearms licenses on demand.
Oh, and how many traditional rights did the law eviscerate to allow police to raid property with no reasonable cause?
I admit it is easier in NZ because we are a small, remote island with a team of 5 million people and, to quote Jacinda, most are goody two shoes types.
Thats one of the reasons I like it here.
6 months in each would be ideal for endless summer.
Tempted to buy in Orillia.
 

Colpy

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I admit it is easier in NZ because we are a small, remote island with a team of 5 million people and, to quote Jacinda, most are goody two shoes types.
Thats one of the reasons I like it here.
6 months in each would be ideal for endless summer.
Tempted to buy in Orillia.


Yeah, the reason I focused on "reasonable cause" is successive Liberal gov'ts in this country have reduced the constitutional right to be free from unreasonable search to the point of irrelevance. And yes, the right is specifically listed in our Charter of rights and freedoms.


The Firearms Act gives the state the right to "inspect" any place where they believe there is a gun collection, or any grandfathered prohibited weapon. That "inspection" allows them to search, to seize, and leaves the owner subject to 2 years in jail he he refuses any aid requested by the "inspectors". Oh, and the Catch 22............no warrant is required. If you refuse entry, that in itself is reason for a judge to issue a warrant. So, you have rights until the second you invoke them, then they disappear in a puff of smoke.


The current Liberal gov't has brought in impaired driving laws that allow the police to administer drug or alcohol testing with no reasonable cause (technically a search)


Socialists, even socialist light parties, despise individual rights.