Gun Control is Completely Useless.

JamesBondo

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Here is an angry old white man who rented a room in Las Vegas and killed 59 people and wounded over 800.
He did it by throwing hammers at them.

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Here is an angry old white man who had lots of AR15s and killed lots of people with them

Including Canadians!

Well. Who knew?
 

taxme

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Okay folks, I went crazy.
I got thinking about the insistence of the anti-gun folks that we don't want to be like the AMERICANS, with no gun control, and blood running in the streets! I had read that murder was so high in American ghettoes that it skewed national figures, as (obviously) there could be social causes for murder in those circumstances.........SOOOOOO
I went looking to isolate two populations, as close as possible in population make-up, culture, etc, with the ONLY difference being gun control laws. I settled on the west, the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta in Canada, and the three American states that border them, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. These seemed to be the best examples, as they are the two areas of Canada and the United States that are the most alike in population culture, etc., yet most different in gun legislation.
Let me lay it out for you.
In Canada, before you buy a long gun, you must pass a safety course, undergo an investigation, get references including your spouse, obtain a license, and register the firearm. Most military semi-autos are prohibited. Semi-auto rifles can only have magazines with 5 rounds
In these states, if you want the semi-auto version of the American military M-16, you walk into the gun store, put down your cash, buy the piece and as many 30 round magazines as you like. You wait a federally-mandated 7 days, and go get your rifle. No license, no registration, no course, any rifle is OK.
In Canada, the vast majority of handguns are prohibited. If you want a handgun, you must either be a collector, or a target shooter. Self-defense is NOT allowed. You must have a long gun license (see above), pass ANOTHER course, and register your pistol. You must belong to a gun club, and you are ONLY allowed to transfer the weapon back and forth from the club to home, it must be trigger locked, and in a locked case.
If you want a handgun in any of these states, it is exactly the same as the process for buying a military "assault" rifle in the Sates, as laid out above. No license, no registration, no course, no NOTHING. NO handguns are prohibited.
In Canada, getting a license to carry a handgun is practically impossible.
In these states, the gov't MUST give you a license to carry a handgun for self-defense if you don't have a criminal record.
Just to make it clear, here are the ratings for the states given by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: Montana (F), North Dakota (D), Minnesota ( C-)
Believe me, Canada would get an A+++ from Sarah Brady.
So, Canada is a wonderful, peaceful place where everyone is safe and happy, but step across the border and you trip over bodies and fall into the mess of blood, guts and expended shell casings, right?
Well, maybe not.
MURDER RATES
------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Manitoba------------ 2.61...2.95...3.12...3.70... 4.27 (per 100,000)
(2002 - 1,151,000)-----30.....34......36.....43..... 49 (murders)
Saskatchewan------2.58...2.70... 2.71...4.12...3.92
(2002 - 1,000,000).... 26.... 27..... 27.....41.....39
Alberta---------------1.96...2.29... 2.25...2.03...2.69
(2002 - 3,056,000).... 60.....70......69.....62 .... 82
Montana.............1.80...3.80....1.80...3.30...3.20
(2003 - 917,000).......17.....35......17......30.....29
North Dakota.......0.60...1.10... 0.80....1.90...1.40
(2003 - 633,000)........4.......7.......5......12.......9
Minnesota..........3.10... 2.40... 2.20... 2.50...2.20
(2003 - 5,059,000)..157.....121.....111....126....111
HERE'S THE SHOCKER!
MURDER RATES PER 100,000
----------------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Canada West-----------------2.22----2.52----2.54---2.80----3.26 (per 100,000)
Population 5,207,000........116.... 131.....132....146....170 (murders)
USA Northwest---------------2.69----2.47----2.01---2.54----2.25
Population 6,609,000........178.... 163......133....168.....149
GUN CONTROL IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!
BTW Figuring this out took me HOURS.............Canadian stats are from Stats Canada, American Stats on population are from http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html
American Stats on murder rates are from http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=169
Facts on state gun laws are from http://www.stategunlaws.org/
Math concerned is by ME.
Edited to say: DAMN, I had those all set out in coherent tables, but all spacing disappeared when I submitted it........so (being computer illiterate) I've used spacers......sorry about that)


Another huge federal government bureaucracy created and hundreds of billions of our tax dollars have been spent, or should I say been blown, on trying to force decent and law abiding Canadians to register their firearms while the non- law abiding criminal will not do the same. Well duh. Why do we constantly get so many politicians(dummies)to go along with creating new laws like this one? Sure there will be some person with a registered gun that maybe will go and kill someone with his/her registered firearm, but come on, all these tax dollars being wasted for one or two murders a year being committed by some one with a gun? We have the criminal code to deal with all crimes committed.

Canada has become a country of useless and stupid laws that in most cases do nothing to help protect the citizen's of Canada. According to the criminal code, we are not supposed to be allowed to murder. But well over a dozen murders are committed every year in Canada. Having a law against murder does not stop anyone from wanting to murder someone if they so choose to do so. We have the criminal code to take care of those who murder. No other created bureaucracy for trying to stop murder.

We have the criminal code to take care of people who break the law. Gun laws will not stop anyone from wanting to kill someone. Just enforce the criminal code by giving out more tougher sentences to those who commit a crime with a gun. Automatically twenty five years for using a gun in a crime on top of the other criminal code offence that was committed.

Canada has become a real and true stunned country full of people who are just plain stunned and who has allowed themselves to constantly be treated like a bunch of buffoons by their elected politicians. IMHO, it sure looks to me like most of our Canadian politicians have nothing but contempt for we the sheeple of Canada, and they truly deserve what they are getting for their tax dollars by these so called politicians. Believe it or not. Just saying.
 

spilledthebeer

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....ges/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls

10,982 people shot and killed

467 people killed by blunt objects - which includes hammers.

So there you have it: Guns are safer than hammers

because white natty


poor stupid hemerhoid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ignoring the facts as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i



as colpy pointed out - we did have two murders with hammers...................................


And not a single murder with an ar 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No wonder hemerhoid has become a laughing stock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

JamesBondo

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Bump
Here is an angry old white man who had lots of AR15s and killed lots of people with them
Including Canadians!
Well. Who knew?

The more you bump this the dumber you look.

You can't prevent this from happening in Las Vegas by changing Canadian Laws.
 

spilledthebeer

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guess you missed the opening post.




EITHER THAT..............................


or our hemerHOID has been "bumped" so often he FAILS TO COMPREHEND........................


that opening post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I believe it is the hemerHOID "bumps" that are producing...................................


those TOTAL IDIOT LIE-beral RESPONSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am also going to speculate that hemerHOID has NOT READ MUCH..................................


about the sort of long term damage that a concussion can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or if he DID READ- he has been so "bumped"...........................


he did not understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that`s a LIE-beral for you - they WILL LET ANY IMBECILE.......................................


have an opinion and a VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

AnnaE

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guess you missed the opening post.
You mean the one in which cOLPY SAID,
"I went looking to isolate two populations, as close as possible in population make-up, culture, etc, with the ONLY difference being gun control laws. I settled on the west, the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta in Canada, and the three American states that border them, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. These seemed to be the best examples, as they are the two areas of Canada and the United States that are the most alike in population culture, etc., yet most different in gun legislation."?
How about bringing up Mexico's gun laws, or Brazil's?
 

Hoid

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Why would we bring up Mexico or Brazil when the OP is a direct comparison of America and Canada?
 

petros

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Mexico......Hymie lol


Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.[3] That said, there is a common misconception that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[4] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[5] where most types and calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[6] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[7]
 

taxslave

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You mean the one in which cOLPY SAID,
"I went looking to isolate two populations, as close as possible in population make-up, culture, etc, with the ONLY difference being gun control laws. I settled on the west, the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta in Canada, and the three American states that border them, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. These seemed to be the best examples, as they are the two areas of Canada and the United States that are the most alike in population culture, etc., yet most different in gun legislation."?
How about bringing up Mexico's gun laws, or Brazil's?
He would if he thought it would reinforce his cause. Moving goal posts is his MO.
 

AnnaE

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Mexico......Hymie lol


Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There is only one gun store in the entire country, and it takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally.[3] That said, there is a common misconception that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[4] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[5] where most types and calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[6] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[7]
Yep and Mexico's gun laws are quite a bit stiffer than Canada's, yet look at the crime stats. That should indicate , at least to a rational person, criminals pay little attention to laws.
 

AnnaE

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Yes I moved the goalposts by referring to America

Because white natty
What effect does Canada's gun laws have on America? Or vice versa? Adding more laws to the books in Canada would do what in America? What effect do the gun laws in America have on its criminals?