Gun Control is Completely Useless.

petros

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Desperately trying to get back on subject:
28 dead in Mexican bar arson. (Was 26, but 2 more died in hospital)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mexico-bar-killings-1.5262285
This 8 years after another arson attack killed 52 in Mexico.
Yet no call for bans on assault gasoline or large capacity semi-automatic lighters.
Why is that, I wonder?
In Canada you'd need an approved gerry can to buy the gas. I doubt Mexico has gerry can laws.
 

spilledthebeer

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Re the recent texas massacre.

this fellow obtained his gun in a private sale, thus avoiding the background check, which he apparently could not have passed, even in Texas.

Here's an idea: if you decide to sell your gun to a mass murderer how about you do his time?






GOSH hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You finally got one right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Private sales of guns to LUNATICS - is CLEARLY AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So -hemerHOID - now that you have said something sensible for once...................................


see what you make of this Cdn issues::::








Here is an article illustrating why the LIE-beral legal system is FAILING!! LIE-berals have paralysed our legal system because of their refusal to take ANY logical steps regarding crime!!!!!!!!!!!

With some comments of my own in brackets):

(LIE-berals have proven they are UNABLE to reform hard core criminals and LIE-berals consider it barbaric to punish criminals and LIE-berals consider it inhumane to simply jail criminals to separate them from the long suffering public!! In addition, LIE-berals consider it to be offensively RACIST behaviour to security screen immigrants to Canada - thus we are importing trouble from all across the planet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

Lighter sentences for Toronto South inmates questioned

By Antonella Artuso

Published: July 31, 2019. Updated: July 31, 2019 8:03 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

The Toronto South Detention Centre is understaffed, but conditions are not so bad that judges need to reduce the sentences of offenders housed there, the OPSEU representative for correctional officers says.

Ontario Corrections Division Chair Chris Jackel said the mega-jail does indeed experience its share of incidents and lockdowns, but it’s modern and clean.

“It’s no mystery that Toronto South is probably one of the more difficult institutions right now, and has been for some time,” he said.

“At the end of the day, there could have been some lockdowns … but (inmates) still get everything that they’re entitled to — they still get their showers, their yard, their fresh air, they get access to visitors, access to lawyers, all this stuff still happens.”

This week, Ontario Court of Justice Judge William Horkins sentenced burglar Joshua Lenz to time served due to him being remanded at Toronto South prior to his trial.

(Oh yes- LIE-beral hug a thug judges will use any excuse to tread very lightly where criminal rights are concerned!! LIE-berals are very aware that criminals often have an extensive array of family members and ethically challenged community supporters!! And LIE-berals do not wish to offend such people and lose votes - by taking real action against thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(LIE-beral hug a thug judges are already giving credit - to thugs who are so nasty they have been denied bail - for THREE DAYS SERVED - FOR EACH SINGLE DAY spent waiting in jail while waiting for trials that are very slow coming - since LIE-berals are so CHEAP about supplying judges and court staff!!! That three for one is a great way of offering known thugs access to shorter sentences - without raising to much public IRE over absurdly short sentences for major crimes - up to and including RAPE and attempted MURDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And of course the NOTORIOUS LIE-beral fondness for Plea Bargaining is well known but again - it is HARD TO TRACK effectively due to “privacy concerns” that LIE-berals use to HIDE just how many major crimes are magically turned into minor crimes and how many minor crimes are dismissed ENTIRELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“At the Toronto South Detention Centre, these are the harshest conditions any person could experience,” Horkins said.

“Someone has made a conscious decision not to staff this remand centre.”

(I would agree with that - LIE-berals have DELIBERATELY Starved OUR ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM for MANY YEARS - so they can save gravy for themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Career criminal’s sentence reduced over jail’s ‘harshest conditions’
Jail guard accused of peddling pot to captive prison market
Armed heroin dealer scores break due to appalling jail conditions
MANDEL: Why is a murder suspect dining on lobster and steak in jail?
Jails dangerous, neglected, correctional officers say

(Some of this stuff is just the usual civil service union HOG CRAP -designed to make it clear many problems would magically GO AWAY if only we threw more gravy at the HOGS - and THERE is the heart of the matter - those running the system are focussed ONLY on gravy - and on BUYING VOTES - so things like public safety and honest justice - that the public cares about only are VAGUE AFTER THOUGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Jackel agreed the centre is short staffed — arguing it needs another 50 to 100 full-time correctional officers — but said the judge may have “pushed the envelope a little bit too far.”

(Pushed a “bit far”?? LIE-berals have BURNED the envelope and FLUSHED the ashes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

According to the Ministry of the Solicitor General, Toronto South has an operational capacity of 1,192 beds with a current inmate population of 1,134.

(So it is currently holding a FEW LESS thugs than it was designed for so everybody gets a bed and there are no mattresses on the floor and no problems jamming 3 men into a cell made for one or two - and there will be adequate seating at dinner time so no need to fight over seating and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Ministry spokesman Andrew Morrison declined to comment on an individual case or a decision of the courts.

“Lockdowns at Ontario correctional facilities are necessary at times,” Morrison said in an email, explaining that partial lockdowns are preferred over full.

(UH huh -and we need to recall that BOTH thugs and HOGS enjoy making a fuss for govts they don’t like- and HOGS HATE Doug Ford - so there is an issue of who to believe here regarding jail conditions!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“Where possible, every effort is made to maintain the regular schedule of visits, programming and other services, regardless of whether a lockdown is partial or full.”

(Uh huh- but criminals DO HAVE a habit of being JERKS so occasional administrative hitches should be expected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

As part of efforts to reform Ontario’s jails, the provincial government has hired 172 new correctional officers since December 2018 and increased supports for all officers, a statement said.

(In other words - Ford govt is working to fix LIE-beral mandated MESSES!! LIE-berals preferred to simply CATCH AND RELEASE - so there would be no arguments with defence lawyers and no lost LIE-beral votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Jackel said these new hires may not be full-time staff.

(AS the CHAIR of the Ontari-owe Corrections Division - does Jackel not KNOW if the new hires are full time?? Or is he being a deliberately obstructionist anti Ford HOG in the same fashion as so many teachers are???????????????)

(IN a typical example of Hog doublespeak -a spokesperson for teacher Hogs told us last year they might not have protested the Ford Sex Ed curriculum action - IF HE HAD NOT ORDERED TEACHERS NOT TO teach the LIE-beral version- that emphasised the importance of teaching kids about anal sex - while our kids FAILED math and spelling!! Hog double talk and abuse of Ford in support of MORE GRAVY is standard procedure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“Obviously, I think the Ministry is aware there’s a bigger problem and they should really look at staffing levels at Toronto South,” Jackel said.

“I don’t know what (staffing) formula they use, but I don’t think it’s working.”

(Considering the level of violence and fraud, drug dealing and money laundering in Canada - ON OUR PUBLIC STREETS - then add in reports that drugs are allegedly EASIER TO GET IN JAIL than on the street - and it seems REALLY EASY to suggest that NOTHING about the LIE-beral legal system is working properly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

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GOSH hemerHOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You finally got one right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Private sales of guns to LUNATICS - is CLEARLY AN ISSUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So -hemerHOID - now that you have said something sensible for once...................................



Sensible in what aspect? How would you proposed enforcing it? What else would it lead to? The kid who buys a powerful car and wipes out 10 people? You want to add one more unenforceable law to the list of bull shit laws on the books? T-Bones would love you for sure!
 

taxslave

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Re the recent texas massacre.
this fellow obtained his gun in a private sale, thus avoiding the background check, which he apparently could not have passed, even in Texas.
Here's an idea: if you decide to sell your gun to a mass murderer how about you do his time?
Did the gun all of a sudden break the laws of nature and go on a killing spree all by itself because it had a new owner?
 

Twin_Moose

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Re the recent texas massacre.
this fellow obtained his gun in a private sale, thus avoiding the background check, which he apparently could not have passed, even in Texas.
Here's an idea: if you decide to sell your gun to a mass murderer how about you do his time?

If an illegal act was committed by the seller yes there should be appropriate repercussion for him
 

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it should be illegal to sell a gun to somebody who cannot legally purchase one.

in fact it already is illegal
 

spilledthebeer

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Sensible in what aspect? How would you proposed enforcing it? What else would it lead to? The kid who buys a powerful car and wipes out 10 people? You want to add one more unenforceable law to the list of bull shit laws on the books? T-Bones would love you for sure!


Yankees BELIEVE in FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With FREEDOM comes RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is NOT the private sale of a gun that is the problem..................................


the PROBLEM is the sale TO A LUNATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT IS against the LAW to allow a child to drive a car..................................


and it ought to be EQUALLY ILLEGAL to allow a LUNATIC to possess a firearm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As we Cdns have seen AND PROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Simply requiring the registration of firearms does NOT keep them out of criminal hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What DOES LIMIT legal Cdn gun owners from selling their guns....................................


to criminals and lunatics.................................


is the KNOWLEDGE that such an action IS ILLEGAL..........................................


and if the sold gun is used later in a crime.................................


and gets traced back to YOU..............................


then YOU will have trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Admittedly that does not happen often..................................................


BUT.....................................IT IS A DETERRENT in that .......................................



it does at least limit the legal gun owner from taking out sales ADS to attract the attention....................


of criminals and lunatics................................................


as apparently happens in United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Cdn gun sales person KNOWS the gun can only be sold.........................


WITHOUT TROUBLE.....................................


to a person WHO ALREADY HAS THE LEGAL permits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral gun control ideas REALLY ARE NOT about controlling guns...............................


LIE-berals are looking for SNEAKY WAYS TO BAN HUNTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they can BUY up votes from animal rights groups!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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In Canada yeah without a PAL license, is it in that state? Anywho reported this morning that they found the seller


Yeah. The CBC reported that the guy who was involved with the "transfer" was raided and his house searched.


Straw purchase????


If so, he is off to prison for an extended visit.


And rightfully so.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Yeah. The CBC reported that the guy who was involved with the "transfer" was raided and his house searched.
Straw purchase????
If so, he is off to prison for an extended visit.
And rightfully so.
But. . . but. . . what about his unrestricted, unlicensed RIGHT to keep, bear, buy, sell, loan, give, and play with arms?

There is NO limiting language in the Second Amendment.
 

JamesBondo

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But. . . but. . . what about his unrestricted, unlicensed RIGHT to keep, bear, buy, sell, loan, give, and play with arms?
There is NO limiting language in the Second Amendment.

You sure do have a poor understanding of the second amendment for a lawyer. Where did you get your degree, University of CrackerJack Box?
 

spilledthebeer

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Oh, good. That'll fix everything.


I understand that it is against the LAW to take advantage of the "feeble minded"......................


as certified lunatics used to be called........................................



thus selling a gun to a crazy person and allowing them to be violently IRRESPONSIBLE with it.....................


sounds like some sort of abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Either the LOON is being ABUSED........................................


OR THE PUBLIC IS being abused..................................................


OR BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In addition there are laws regarding careless use of a firearm..........................................


and closing our eyes to the reality that a supposedly SANE person.......................................


sold a gun to the loon....................................


who COULD NOT QUALIFY FOR A STATE ISSUED CERTIFICATE............................................


and let him go on a killing spree sounds pretty IRRESPONSIBLE TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE DO NOT NEED a lot of new LAWS....................................................


we just need the old laws enforced with HONEST VIGOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Tecumsehsbones

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You sure do have a poor understanding of the second amendment for a lawyer. Where did you get your degree, University of CrackerJack Box?
Do I? Well then, O Wise One, why don't you tell us what limiting language there is in the Second Amendment?

You bein' so smart and all.

Here, I'll quote the text to get you started. . . "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Anxiously waiting for you to point out the exceptions for drug addicts, mental-health cases, and convicted felons.

Have at it.

And the answer to your specific question is "Georgetown." How 'bout you?
 

spilledthebeer

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Do I? Well then, O Wise One, why don't you tell us what limiting language there is in the Second Amendment?

You bein' so smart and all.

Here, I'll quote the text to get you started. . . "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Anxiously waiting for you to point out the exceptions for drug addicts, mental-health cases, and convicted felons.

Have at it.

And the answer to your specific question is "Georgetown." How 'bout you?




So........................what part of privately selling a gun a to LUNATIC........................................


who has already FAILED to get a govt issued gun ownership certificate from the state legal dept............................


is covered under the Amendment????????????????????????????????????/


If the guy is a lunatic........................................


DOES HE NOT AUTOMATICALLY FAIL the conditions for "well regulated and disciplined"???????????????????????????????


Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

JamesBondo

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Do I? Well then, O Wise One, why don't you tell us what limiting language there is in the Second Amendment?
You bein' so smart and all.
Here, I'll quote the text to get you started. . . "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Anxiously waiting for you to point out the exceptions for drug addicts, mental-health cases, and convicted felons.
Have at it.
And the answer to your specific question is "Georgetown." How 'bout you?

It says the right shall not be infringed, dumbass.
 

spilledthebeer

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It says the right shall not be infringed, dumbass.




Oh Bondo.............................................


now you know how ordinary Cdns feel about playing WORD GAMES.......................................


with the VILE LIE-berals you so often SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


T-bonesforbrains carefully notes that the right to bear arms is for.....................................


A CAREFULLY REGULATED and disciplined militia...........................................................


and of course the PURPOSE of such a militia is to maintain public order.................................


and TO DEFEND civil rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



BUT the lone wolf LUNATIC who takes up arms..............................................


and begins to slaughter people in a bar or church or etc.............................................


CLEARLY FITS NONE of the legal definitions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The lone wolf LUNATIC who chooses to shoot total strangers is CLEARLY VIOLATING AN ARRAY..........................


of Yankee civil rights and legal statutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees are ENTITLED to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Being SHOT DEAD by a pissed off LUNATIC STRANGER..................................................


or being shot dead by some radical Muslim immigrant that should never have been let into the country............................


because his place of birth AND HIS PEOPLE....................................


are AT WAR with Yankees........................................................



CLEARLY DEPRIVES the shot citizen of LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And being buried in a cemetary SEVERELY AND UNFAIRLY LIMITS...........................................


their pursuit of happiness as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Thus the right to bear arms ................................................


IS NEGATED by the right to avoid being shot by LUNATIC STRANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Not that T-bonesforbrains would ever admit any of this..............................


he is just PISSED OFF that his anti cop propaganda has been mocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!