Gun Control is Completely Useless.

Tecumsehsbones

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This is demonstrated by the fact that in 2015 (a typical year) 53% of US murders are committed by Blacks, who make up only 13% of the population...........and live largely in the inner cities.

If by "largely" you mean less than 36%.

www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/trump-african-american-inner-city/503744/

Got that? 36% live in cities, and I strongly doubt that 100% of all cities could be classified as "inner city."

So much for backing up your statements.

I'd also mention that less than two in three homicides are solved, so your statistics are incomplete at best, but why bother?

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/3950...one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved
 

JamesBondo

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If by "largely" you mean less than 36%.

www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/10/trump-african-american-inner-city/503744/

Got that? 36% live in cities, and I strongly doubt that 100% of all cities could be classified as "inner city."

So much for backing up your statements.

I'd also mention that less than two in three homicides are solved, so your statistics are incomplete at best, but why bother?

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/3950...one-third-of-murders-in-america-go-unresolved

hey aren't you the lazy assed labeler? why yes you are.
 

Bar Sinister

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In your mind I suppose. If I was you, I don't think I'd tell too many people that. You might get laughed right off the forum.




I doubt it. Even the title of the thread speaks of complete delusion.

I support everything I say in a debate.


You do not.


Not only that, I rarely use gun advocates' facts and figures, I use neutral sources, as I don't believe everything I'm told by partisan sources.


You listen to MSM, and suck it up.


Learn to think for yourself.



You are like a petulant child, confronted with something they don't like.



There are a lot of gun deaths in the USA for the same reason there are a lot of murders in any society......a culture of violence that exists, mostly in inner cities. This is demonstrated by the fact that in 2015 (a typical year) 53% of US murders are committed by Blacks, who make up only 13% of the population...........and live largely in the inner cities.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2015.xls



The same thing is happening at Jane and Finch in Toronto. Despite tough gun control.


Now, pull your phucking head out of your arse and support your BS with nonpartisan stats, or STFU.


Your childish inability to engage in debate is irritating and counter productive. Your arrogant attitude of "I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with the facts" is becoming somewhat irritating.




Still haven't answered my question. And I've asked it several times.

 

spilledthebeer

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Rather a pathetic attempt to include alll your boogeymen in one article.


OH how amusing!!!!!!!


AS a result of the recent shootings in Toronto- Jackass John the Sorry Tory mayor and his moronic Silly Hall minions have put up some extra money for cop overtime and set them loose to sdo a little carding and they are now getting a nice little haul of ILLEGAL firearms off the street!!!!


Craven coward LIE-berals sais carding was unfair and not needed- and now they have to pretend they are not restarting it!!!!!!


Craven coward LIE-berals LIED repeatedly that crime was down and spending money on more cops was not required- and now they are desperately trying to hire more cops- too bad nobody wants to be a cop in white hating Toronto!!!


Then there is the racist NDP and its support of drunken native thieves!!!!!! Consider:


Here is an article illustrating how out of touch NDPers are regarding the mood and beliefs of ordinary Cdns! With some comments of my own in brackets):

NDP considering pledge to abolish jury challenge rule in response to Boushie trial verdict

From Canadian Press. Published: February 13, 2018. Updated: February 13, 2018 2:35 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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MALCOLM: Half of prospective Boushie jurors were Aboriginal, says member of jury pool

Jagmeet Singh calls for better representation. OTTAWA — NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says he is considering whether his party should push to abolish the use of so-called peremptory challenges in the jury selection process.

The practice, which allows Crown and defence lawyers to exclude jurors without offering reasons, is at the centre of the controversy raging over the acquittal of Gerald Stanley.

(Los in all this socialist loonie left bigotry are a few little details related to actually producing a FAIR TRIAL! We would not let a known Nazi sit in judgement on an accused Jew. WE would not let a known member of the Ku Klux Klan sit in judgement on a black person. We would not let a Bigoted Black Lives Matter member sit in judgement on a white person. So why in hell should we let native racists sit in judgement on a white guy who argued with native THIEVES?)

(In addition to all this- we DO NOT LET CONVICTED CRIMINALS sit in judgement on ordinary people! Well- not unless you are a LIE-beral or a less intelligent cousin such as an NDPer! Many years ago when LIE-beral Jean Chretien was taking a LOT of flack about his hug a thug legal system- he struck a committee led by LIE-beral Alvin Gross- representing an Oshawa Riding- to examine prison sentencing! To the surprise of NOBODY- the LIE-beral committee concluded that longer jail sentences would not deter crime! The LIE-beral opinion was laughed out of the room after it was discovered that committee chairman Gross was a former ARMED BANK ROBBER! Gross tried to defend himself by pointing out that nobody got shot in the robbery because his gun was not loaded- not that any of the bank tellers knew that at the time as the wild man rushed through the bank, brandished the pistol and screamed for CASH NOW!)

Stanley, a Saskatchewan farmer, was acquitted last week of second-degree murder in the 2016 shooting death of Colten Boushie, 22, a member of the Red Pheasant First Nation.

(Efforts by LIE-berals and their idiot NDP cousins to alter the jury system represent a deliberate attempt by govt to defend THIEVES!)

Singh says peremptory challenges can result in a jury that doesn’t accurately reflect the entire community, and that it’s time to talk about whether they should be allowed at all.

(If the community is made up of a majority of THIEVES AND BIGOTS then the jury should NOT be representative of the community!)

He made the comments as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was to meet Boushie’s grieving family members, who are in Ottawa to talk about what they consider a travesty of justice.

A criminal defence lawyer before entering politics, Singh says he used peremptory challenges in jury selection when he was in practice.

“I’ve looked at this and I’m considering whether we should take a position on abolishing peremptory challenges,” he told a news conference.

“I haven’t made that decision yet, but it’s definitely a discussion we need to have.”

(UH-huh! And Sleazy Singh will make a choice right after his handlers decide how many votes he will lose depending on which stance he takes! It is my guess Singh will slink away from this situation with no comment as winning a few bigoted native supporters will NOT compensate for the wave of revulsion rolling across the rest of the country if he supports native thugs against the main stream population!)

Such a discussion, Singh continued, “creates an opportunity to talk about how do we make a jury that truly reflective of the people, that increases confidence in our justice system, that gives us results that we can have faith in.”

(Singh is IGNORING the real problem- that too many natives are drunken, ill-educated, unemployed and too often unemployable imbeciles who regard stealing white peoples property and selling it in pawn shops in exchange for more alcohol and drugs as a viable sort of lifestyle! And it does not help that drunken natives are being treated as victims by craven cowardly vote seeking politicians! Nobody in a position of authority seems to have ANYTHING to say about the loaded 22 calibre sawed off rifle found by cops at the Boushie crime scene- the rifle that did not belong to Stanley! WE are NOT being offered any honest explanation of why that rifle was at the scene and was dropped by a native after being confronted by Stanley with his own pistol!)
 

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Texas company gets green light to put 3D-printed gun designs online
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July 26, 2018 8:22 PM EDT
This May 10, 2013, file photo shows a plastic pistol that was completely made on a 3D-printer at a home in Austin, Texas. Jay Janner / AP
They look futuristic, the type of firearms that would-be assassins use in movies: 3D-printed guns made of a hard plastic that are simple to assemble, easy to conceal and tough to trace.
The future is here.
After spending years fighting the federal government for the right to do so, a Texas company was given the green light to post blueprints online showing people how to make 3D-printed guns from the comfort of their home.
Gun safety advocates and some law enforcement officials are appalled, worried that this is exactly what criminals and terrorists want: guns that can’t be flagged by metal detectors, don’t have serial numbers to trace, and don’t require the usual background checks. A coalition of gun-control groups filed an appeal Thursday in federal court seeking to block a recent Trump administration ruling allowing Cody Wilson and his company, Defence Distributed, to post blueprints online to create a 3D-printed firearm.
“There is a market for these guns and it’s not just among enthusiasts and hobbyists,” said Nick Suplina, managing director for law and policy at Everytown for Gun Safety, one of the three groups that have gone to court. “There’s a real desire and profit motive in the criminal underworld as well.”
Wilson, the founder of Defence Distributed, first published downloadable designs for a 3D-printed firearm in 2013. It was downloaded about 100,000 times until the State Department ordered him to cease, contending it violated federal export laws since some of the blueprints were downloaded by people outside the United States.
But in a reversal that stunned gun-control advocates, the State Department in late June settled its case against Wilson and agreed to allow him to resume posting the blueprints at the end of July. Wilson took to Twitter, declaring victory and proclaiming he would start back up on August 1.
Wilson did not return an email seeking comment. His attorney, Josh Blackman, a professor at the South Texas College of Law Houston, declined to comment.
Gun industry experts say the guns are simply a modern-day equivalent of what already is legal and readily available: the ability to assemble your own firearm using traditional materials and methods at home without serial numbers. They argue that 3D-printed firearms won’t be a draw for criminals since the printers needed to make one are wildly expensive and the firearms themselves aren’t very durable.
“It costs thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars to acquire a printer and the files and the knowhow to do this. They don’t work worth a damn. Criminals can obviously go out and steal guns or even manufacture quote-unquote real guns, not 3D printed,” said Larry Keane, executive director of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which represents gun manufacturers. “If you’re a gang banger in L.A., are you going to go out and spend tens of thousands of dollars to buy a printer to print a gun that doesn’t work very well or are you just going to steal one?”
Unlike traditional firearms that can fire thousands of rounds in their lifetime, experts say the 3D-printed guns normally only last a few rounds before they fall apart. They don’t have magazines that allow the usual nine or 15 rounds to be carried; instead, they usually hold a bullet or two and then must be manually loaded afterward. And they’re not usually very accurate either.
A video posted of a test by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2013 showed one of the guns produced from Wilson’s design — the Liberator — disintegrating into pieces after a single round was fired. Wilson’s website will also offer blueprints for AR-style long guns besides its first product: a pistol called the Liberator.
A similar style of firearm was famously used by John Malkovich’s character in the 1993 movie “In the Line of Fire” in which he portrays a would-be assassin who surreptitiously brings the firearm into a hotel ballroom, assembles it underneath his dinner table and then tries to use it to kill the president.
Law enforcement officials express concern about allowing the designs for such firearms to be publicly available expressly because they’re easy to conceal and untraceable since there’s no requirement for the firearms to have serial numbers.
“When you think about all the rhetoric we here in our nation about tightening our borders and homeland security, and now we’re going to put out there for anyone who wants a recipe for how to overcome … TSA airport screenings or any other metal detector,” said Rick Myers, executive director of the Major Cities Chiefs Association. “It’s absolutely insane.”
The State Department decision came amid an obscure administrative change — begun under the Obama administration — in how the weapons are regulated and administered. Military grade weapons remain under the purview of the State Department, while commercially available firearms fall under the Commerce Department. The settlement with Wilson determined that 3D-printed firearms are akin to more traditional firearms that aren’t subject to ITAR, or International Traffic in Arms Regulations, overseen by State.
U.S. Sen. Bob Menendez, D-New Jersey, called on Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to review the decision.
Robert Spitzer, chairman of political science at the State University of New York at Cortland and an expert on the Second Amendment, warned that while 3D-printed firearms are a novelty now — too expensive to make and too fragile to be used for more than a few shots — technology will soon catch up.
“Their popularity right now is limited,” Spitzer said. “There was interest in the blueprints because they’re sort of exotic and because sort of a taboo thing.”
Erich Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, echoed that sentiment.
“It’s not very practical,” Pratt said. “Let’s be serious. First of all, you’re going to plunk out thousands of dollars just for the printers. This is a very expensive route to go just to get a piece of plastic that will only last a round.”

http://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/1022487045405638657
http://torontosun.com/news/world/texas-company-gets-green-light-to-put-3d-printed-gun-designs-online
 
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Hoid

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You would think that Homeland Security would be concerned about this sort of thing.
 

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While I'm not for gun control, I am for background checks, etc. I agree with Colpy in that gun control laws do nothing to control guns; it only assures that citizens of this country will continue to be victims because "bad guys" don't follow laws of any sort.


Having said that, even though these plastic guns can only shoot once and may be expensive, I think putting plans on the internet is fool hardy and extremely stupid. Eventually, some brainy individual will come up with a better "plastic gun" using the plans as a template and come up with one that does shoot more than one bullet, plus the very fact that it's untraceable makes it extremely worrisome.


JMHO
 

JamesBondo

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not sure if the 3d gun deserves the publicity it is getting.

there are already plans out there on how to make

- a 12gauge shotgun from black pipe,
- a .22lr bic pen,

and for those that don't want to make anything, you can buy a flaregun....a 12gauge to 9mm insert or 12gauge to .22lr insert allows you to shoot real ammunition from it.

also, haven't you hear of 'dieseling' an air rifle? if you dip the pellet into a light oil, the compressed air will actually ignite the oil resulting in a round that travels faster than a normal air rifle yet slower than a .22lr
 

Colpy

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Want a pattern for sensible gun laws?


The Czech Republic.


They have a population of 10.6 million, and 300,000 licensed gun owners. That would be about one half the per capita rate of legal gun ownership in Canada. Their laws are strict, background checks, training, licensing....much like Canada.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic


But there the similarity ends. Personal defense is the most common reason for issuance of a gun license. 80% (240,000) of license holders have a permit to carry a handgun anywhere in the country.


Here's the kicker: the murder rate in the Czech Republic is 0.61 per 100,000. The rate in Canada is 1.68 per 100,000.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate


It is not the guns, nor is it the licensed people that own them.


And as an extra, imagine Danforth with somebody shooting back.


Politicians, you are on the wrong track.
 

spilledthebeer

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We bow to you who are experienced.
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I must confess to being constantly AMAZED at the machinations of the LIE-beral mind!!!!


How in hell can any law maker justify allowing 3d guns to be made available on line?


On the plus side- and yes there IS ONE- plastic is not durable and perhaps we can hope to more easily identify crooks and hit men at crime scenes by the amount of powder blown back in their faces by exploding weapons?
 

Hoid

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The Danforth crime scene with people shooting back.

A deeper level of Hell?