Us imposes steel/aluminum tariffs

Highball

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This is a sad commentary about how perverted the Trump plan to "Make Americas Great Again!" is doing an about face. Canada and Mexico are Americas closest trade partners and now this road block is thrown down by the White House. I sincerely hope both nations will respond in kind and impose tariffs on major items the export to the US.
 

White_Unifier

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TOTALLY AGREE That was our mistake........ not branching out .......when we have good realtions within the commonwealth etc.

this could be a defining moment for CDA...... and in a good way if handled properly.

Geography puts us in a bind. When it comes to software or any nontangible product sellable online like apps for example, we can sell those worldwide. But as soon as we throw transportation costs into the mixt, the US is our most beneficial trading partner due to population and proximity (all other factors being equal). that said, all things aren't equal right now. The US doesn't want to trade with us. Now had Trump picked a trade war with Canada only, we would have found ourselves in a tough spot. The good news is, Trump wasn't that smart. he picked a trade war with Canada, the EU, Mexico, China, and others I'm sure. So now the US faces multi-front retaliation. This puts more pressure on the US to smarten up.

That said, though the US is and will remain our most important trading partner, we should never sign an exclusive bilateral trade deal with the US ever again. Any future trade deal should be an open agreement allowing either partner to trade with any other state we want to trade with. So no more country-of-origin provisions for example. No US trade agreement with Canada should restrict Canada's freedom to trade with other states too, and the same should apply in reverse too.

This is a sad commentary about how perverted the Trump plan to "Make Americas Great Again!" is doing an about face. Canada and Mexico are Americas closest trade partners and now this road block is thrown down by the White House. I sincerely hope both nations will respond in kind and impose tariffs on major items the export to the US.

I disagree. That will just aggravate the situation. Instead, they should not retaliate and Canadians and Mexicans should just boycott the US at the grassroots. The EU and China should join in this. No legal retaliation, just people freely choosing to boycott the US.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Oh definitely. remember too that our government finds itself in a tough spot. If it legally retaliates, that can lead to escalation as the US could use that as a pretext to escalate to additional trade barriers in an ever-escalating trade war.

If Canadians at the grassroots decided to help the Canadian government out of this dilemma but just boycotting the US, then we'd help Canada escape this dilemma. Canada could choose to not retaliate or even drop tariffs against the US but to no avail since Canadians would have just chosen to boycott US products.

Again, what's Trump going to do? Order Canada to force Canadians to buy American?



And China and Mexico and whoever else got hit too.

If this caught on, our governments could ironically lower tariffs against the US out of pity as masses of people at the grassroots just wouldn't buy American no matter how much we lowered tariffs against US products.
Brilliant.....and people effective. No wars needed.

and totally counter aggressive. I am in.;-)
 

Ocean Breeze

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Geography puts us in a bind. When it comes to software or any nontangible product sellable online like apps for example, we can sell those worldwide. But as soon as we throw transportation costs into the mixt, the US is our most beneficial trading partner due to population and proximity (all other factors being equal). that said, all things aren't equal right now. The US doesn't want to trade with us. Now had Trump picked a trade war with Canada only, we would have found ourselves in a tough spot. The good news is, Trump wasn't that smart. he picked a trade war with Canada, the EU, Mexico, China, and others I'm sure. So now the US faces multi-front retaliation. This puts more pressure on the US to smarten up.

That said, though the US is and will remain our most important trading partner, we should never sign an exclusive bilateral trade deal with the US ever again. Any future trade deal should be an open agreement allowing either partner to trade with any other state we want to trade with. So no more country-of-origin provisions for example. No US trade agreement with Canada should restrict Canada's freedom to trade with other states too, and the same should apply in reverse too.



I disagree. That will just aggravate the situation. Instead, they should not retaliate and Canadians and Mexicans should just boycott the US at the grassroots. The EU and China should join in this. No legal retaliation, just people freely choosing to boycott the US.
Very well put. AGREE.!!!

Nothing overly AGGRESSIVE.....nothing "legal"........ just people power. I tis the consumer that matters in all this anyhow.

Spread the word, friend. Spread the word.
Mass mailings.....coming up. I want to phrase it in the most effective and positive light possible. It is a nothing to lose proposition......

and if no NON American substitute.......do without.;-)

Sorry. That was supposed to be a "green". I think that you're on your something. It wouldn't take much at all to spread a movement like that to the EU and UK.
Hmm. I have friends in Scotland.....who are quite politically active...... in a non aggressive way. ;-)
 

White_Unifier

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Not sure it will help ;-)

That's an understatement. If my memory serves me, that last 'Art of the Deal' led to the deaths of millions.

That's an understatement. If my memory serves me, that last 'Art of the Deal' led to the deaths of millions.

Seems like Walter doesn't know the history of war and carnage that the last bout or protectionism led to. Those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.
 

taxslave

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Yes you can by upping GDP.

Sorry Waldo.

Or you can just cut a few thousand worthless bureaucraps off the public tit.
Eliminating subsidies to bankrupt solar power companies would go a long way as well.

Yeah, baby! Let's get it on!

I don't like Trump much. But credit where due.

He did the right thing striking Syria. . . twice.

He did the right thing showing what is for him remarkable patience with trying to get North Korea to negotiate seriously.

And he's doing the right thing now. You want the tariffs lifted? Quit acting as a transshipping station for dumped Chinese metal and drop your own protectionist policies. Have a glass of milk.

Good luck with that. Canadian lefties are so protectionist that you can't even transposer a case of beer from one province to another.

Where were you when Obama imposed tariffs on steel and softwood lumber...
Right in his corner I suppose

But Obummer had social license to kill our Forest industry becasue well you know the trees in Canada need protecting so US timberbarrons can make healthy campaign contrabutions.

Geography puts us in a bind. When it comes to software or any nontangible product sellable online like apps for example, we can sell those worldwide. But as soon as we throw transportation costs into the mixt, the US is our most beneficial trading partner due to population and proximity (all other factors being equal). that said, all things aren't equal right now. The US doesn't want to trade with us. Now had Trump picked a trade war with Canada only, we would have found ourselves in a tough spot. The good news is, Trump wasn't that smart. he picked a trade war with Canada, the EU, Mexico, China, and others I'm sure. So now the US faces multi-front retaliation. This puts more pressure on the US to smarten up.

That said, though the US is and will remain our most important trading partner, we should never sign an exclusive bilateral trade deal with the US ever again. Any future trade deal should be an open agreement allowing either partner to trade with any other state we want to trade with. So no more country-of-origin provisions for example. No US trade agreement with Canada should restrict Canada's freedom to trade with other states too, and the same should apply in reverse too.



I disagree. That will just aggravate the situation. Instead, they should not retaliate and Canadians and Mexicans should just boycott the US at the grassroots. The EU and China should join in this. No legal retaliation, just people freely choosing to boycott the US.

You truly have no clue about commerce.

Brilliant.....and people effective. No wars needed.

and totally counter aggressive. I am in.;-)

See above.
 

taxslave

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Just as soon as they Ake a solar powered semi. Wouldn't want any carbon spewing diesel in the environmentally friendly film industry.
 

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Huh - hard to buy American anyway when most things that I want to buy say "made in China" - just sayin'
 

Curious Cdn

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ah yes, food - guess that would be the exception wouldn't it LOL. Guess we need to start growing more of our own via individual greenhouses

Not a bad plan, I would say. We used to feed the British Empire and we have lost the ability to feed ourselves. We've paved over a lot of our best farm land. My grandfather was a fruit farmer who grew cherries, peachs, plums, pears, apples and grapes for processing, canning and fresh consumption. Canning and processing left Canada decades ago. Fresh consumption is pretty time-limited. That agricultural area is now either paved over or totally covered in vinyards for wine production (a noble pursuit, I will grant you but not a strategically necessary one). The world and this country would be a better place if we grew more of our own food, again.
 

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Not a bad plan, I would say. We used to feed the British Empire and we have lost the ability to feed ourselves. We've paved over a lot of our best farm land. My grandfather was a fruit farmer who grew cherries, peachs, plums, pears, apples and grapes for processing, canning and fresh consumption. Canning and processing left Canada decades ago. Fresh consumption is pretty time-limited. That agricultural area is now either paved over or totally covered in vinyards for wine production (a noble pursuit, I will grant you but not a strategically necessary one). The world and this country would be a better place if we grew more of our own food, again.
Start a farm , why do you always expect others to do the heavy lifting ?
 

Hoid

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everywhere that Toronto expanded to - all the 905 - was orchards and farms.

if you want to talk about something that is pretty mush irreplaceable orchard land is one.
 

Curious Cdn

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everywhere that Toronto expanded to - all the 905 - was orchards and farms.

if you want to talk about something that is pretty mush irreplaceable orchard land is one.

It's the best farmland in Canada with the best local maritime climate to go with it, all on the same lattitude as Florence, Italy. That's one of the reasons why there's a large city here but the monster has consumed it's own ability to feed itsself.

Start a farm , why do you always expect others to do the heavy lifting ?

I have my victory garden ... all 160 square feet of it.

It's better than nought and it is surprisingly productive. My grandfather whispers in my ear as I plant it, every year.