Say it isn't so! B.C. Carbon Tax now longer revenue neutral.

[spilledthebeer]

Ever heard of the DEF system? Pushed by environmentalists, adopted by the Europeans, added to diesel systems to make them burn cleaner. Great concept except for the new chemicals being produced, mountains of plastic refuge and higher rate of fuel consumption on heavy trucks. We're talking 2-4 miles less a gallon. That's a fact, check it out. Europe, who led the way on this technology is now abandoning it. What a lot of truckers are doing is having the system removed completely at a cost of around $9000.00, which they recoup in fuel savings in under a year. But hey, it's good for the environment!

Same applies to the carbon tax. How it was being packaged and sold was to fund R&D for alternative fuel sources, but now it's general revenue. Guess you'll have to find a new way to get some R&D, maybe a revenue neutral (ha) green tax, which will inevitably end up being general revenue. I have said all along that I would support a carbon tax if it actually went into R&D, but people like you who claim to be smarter than everyone bend over, because arrogance outweighs common sense.

It's just a new GST. No benefit environmentally, whatsoever.

Perhaps if dumb asses didn't make excuses and held governments, to account like the rest of us, they might actually use the tax for what it was intended. But that would mean admitting you were wrong and we can't have that.

WE need to face the ugly truth- that the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax IS being used exactly as they always planned it- to raise more gravy for civil service union Hogs- the ones who so slavishly vote for LIE-berals and keep them in power! The problem is that greedy Hogs have sucked up so much gravy for so many yars and so utterly neglected our national infrastructure that the public has become enraged-that large 55 plus percent of citizens whio never bothered to vote in the past are now threatening to vote in huge numbers and sweep vile selfish LIE-berals into the history books!

Consider: Here is yet another article illustrating how badly LIE-berals have neglected our public transit and other infrastructure- even as they funnel VAST sums of OUR TAX money onto the civil service union gravy train! With some comments of my own in brackets):


Crowding, smoke among issues leading to TTC commuter chaos

By Kevin Connor. Published: January 30, 2018. Updated: January 30, 2018 3:25 PM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Toronto & GTA.

A look at the Tuesday commute on the TTC. A number of problems contributed to congestion. Marium Gul/TWITTER

TORONTO — The TTC definitely wasn’t the better way Tuesday morning. Chaos all over the subway system caused huge delays for commuters.

“A number of issues this morning caused crowding to build,” said Toronto Transit Commission spokesman Brad Ross.

(NO KIDDING! For decades now- Ontari-owe politicians have discussed the CRITICAL NEED for a down town subway relief line- but its all earnest talk leading to NOTHING! When Ontari-owe premier Wynne-bag first took office- she publicly swore an oath to Ontari-owe teachers: “that she would do whatever it takes to regain your trust”! “Whatever it takes” means LIE-berals funnelling an EXTRA FIFTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS into the OSSTF/high school teachers pension fund- already the single largest pension fund in North America- to PAY for teacher votes! With EIGHTEEN MORE provincial unions right behind OSSTF- each with their own greedy deals with shameless vote buying LIE-berals- we cannot afford to let LIE-berals honour those GROSS deals that are so utterly mired in massive conflict of interest!)

(Various TTC riders voiced their opinion of TTC mess below):

Hey @ttchelps, please tell the drivers of the subway (with cars 5482/5483 – just leaving Eglinton stn at 8:05) that announcements over the speakers blaming city hall for delays and packed buses is not the solution either. So unnecessary and unhelpful. #TTC #ttcdelays
— Rob Kirsic (@robkirsic) January 30, 2018

(OH but blaming others is classic LIE-beral/civil service union avoidance of responsibility! LIE-berals were still blaming Mike Harris for LIE-beral spending a FULL DECADE after Harris was gone! And after that excuse got laughed out of the room- they turned to accounting methods not taught in any legitimate school of business to make their debts and unbalanced budget look better!)

Among the problems was smoke detected at Eglinton subway station, which delayed the southbound trains.

Commuters took to social media to complain about the delays.

#TTC this morning. Rush hour trip to work is generally 35 mins, 20-ish at regular times. 70 minutes today, with 40 mins spent waiting for a southbound train at Yonge & Bloor. pic.twitter.com/cNTcBDIUuy
— August C. Bourré (@FishSauce) January 30, 2018

August Bourre wrote his 20 minute commute took 70 minutes on Tuesday to get to work.

“Forty minutes spent waiting for a southbound train at Yonge and Bloor,” he tweeted.

Jim Gifford wrote on Twitter it was the “worst commute in a long time.”

“Crushed and pinned on train. Took 10 mins. and hundreds of people to exit train and station at Bloor. Dangerous situation,” Gifford posted.

Worst commute in long time. Waited for 3 buses and 2 trains. Crushed and pinned on train. Took 10 min through hundreds of people to exit train and station at Bloor. Dangerous situation. TTC is NOT the better way. @bradTTC @JohnTory pic.twitter.com/JYLf694bWz
— Jim Gifford (@JimGiffordEd) January 30, 2018

(No! Cash strapped and barely maintained TTC is now the BITTER WAY for tens of thousands trapped in its coils! And what are we to make of the recent news that TTC subway track signals were deliberately sabotaged? Was the vandalism done by garden variety thugs or was it those ISIS thugs- the ones Our idiot Boy Justin tells us will “have a powerful political voice in Canada” - the ones LIE-berals refuse to deport- starting to open up a new terror war front in hope of derailing TTC trains and killing infidels?)

Another TTC failure, this time a dangerous one. People trapped on subway cars, potentially falling off platforms at St. George station. pic.twitter.com/TZ9uEeqv4v
— Chris of ComicBookDB (@comicbookdb) January 30, 2018

Empty Red Rockets travelling the system didn’t help TTC customer relations.

“I know TTC service was messed up this morning, but a good way to annoy customers is (to) run an empty train through Bloor Yonge station,” Zach Henderson tweeted.

At the Yonge-Bloor station, there was an impromptu protest against Mayor John Tory and Premier Kathleen Wynne .

This is bananas. Bloor Street Subway. Time for that relief line #ttc. pic.twitter.com/EH1ANOHiWc
— Megan Seto (@meganseto) January 30, 2018

This morning's commute on the #TTC was not fun. Stuck on the St. Clair West platform for 30 minutes before deciding to take a bus in the opposite direction @CTVToronto @CP24 @CityNews @680NEWS @globalnewsto @TTChelps pic.twitter.com/4w4QIXMMQB
— Nathaniel Gold (@NGold82) January 30, 2018

(LIE-beral policy is at odds with public needs! LIE-berals with their “war on cars” are trying to force many more of us onto an aging, already over crowded and unreliable public transit system that cannot handle current loads much less the million more people LIE-beral city planners expect to jam into Toronto!)

Ironically, Tuesday was also a planned Day of Action organized by transit advocated TTCriders who were out at 12 different high-volume TTC locations to get commuters to push for better transit service.

“That (Yonge/Bloor) was not one of our Transit Day of Action locations but transit riders know that Wynne and Tory need to fairly fund the TTC to fix over crowding,” said TTCriders spokesman Shelagh Pizey-Allen.

(“Funding fairness” is loonie leftist speak meaning just throw money at the problem and hope to bury it in cash! WE cannot borrow any more and we cannot pay any more taxes- this is the face of bankruptcy! The only way we can afford any new things is to SHUT DOWN the civil service union Hog gravy train and use the money for important things- and NOT for more Hog gravy- they have crippled us already with their demands and entitlements!)

A coincidence that this happened on the @ttcriders day of action, but overcrowding is a reality every day on the #TTC. We have a great transit system, but we need to invest in it, and treat riders with respect. @JohnTory too often we #CantGetOn https://t.co/GHiZSi5TQv
— Sarah Climenhaga (@SarahC2018) January 30, 2018

kconnor at postmedia

 

[Cannuck]

Too long and boring to read

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

"and held governments, to account like the rest of us"

ok

I guess this is your feeble defense for the indefensible. ok.

 

[Hoid]

We are all in your debt for holding government to account


you are a selfless warrior

 

[pgs]

We are all in your debt for holding government to account


you are a selfless warrior

Yet you are still an idiot , imagine that . Hey I guess I am first to be sent back to your penalty box, do I get a prize ?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

We are all in your debt for holding government to account


you are a selfless warrior

Best you can do, huh? You see this is the key to polarization. Instead of saying "WTF" you defend the misappropriation of a tax, because identifying such a thing is beyond your ability to admit that you are wrong. Your defense of this is simple, lash out at me, because you really have nothing else.

I'd say your welcome, but then we will all end up eating this tax, because people like you are to arrogant to admit that Sunny Boy has been lying to you about his environmental agenda.

 

[Hoid]

You seem a little confused. Nothing we say here has any influence over anything.

 

[pgs]

You seem a little confused. Nothing we say here has any influence over anything.

Well nothing you say makes sense so I am glad you have zero influence.

 

[captain morgan]

Best you can do, huh? You see this is the key to polarization. Instead of saying "WTF" you defend the misappropriation of a tax, because identifying such a thing is beyond your ability to admit that you are wrong. Your defense of this is simple, lash out at me, because you really have nothing else.

I'd say your welcome, but then we will all end up eating this tax, because people like you are to arrogant to admit that Sunny Boy has been lying to you about his environmental agenda.

Some people are happy to pay endless sales taxes (albeit under a different name)

 

[petros]

I'd say your welcome, but then we will all end up eating this tax, because people like you are to arrogant to admit that Sunny Boy has been lying to you about his environmental agenda.

Not all of us, just the provinces that took the bribe and signed on.

 

[captain morgan]

Not all of us, just the provinces that took the bribe and signed on.

The actual body of the bribe has yet to appear

 

[petros]

That $15 a head for Alberta will stop carbon in its tracks. I'm not sure about CO2 but C for sure.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Europe- narrow roads = smaller cars. It's really that simple. Those smaller cars are also why Europe has traditionally paid quite a bit more for gas than we have and do. And yes BS, even before all this environmental angst started. Smaller cars generally mean less fuel being used. Less fuel being used means lower annual profits for oil companies.

Let me put it this way. Pretend you're an oil company and you're selling gasoline to North America and Europe. NA has a bunch of gas-guzzling 8s on the road while Europe has a bunch of gas-sipping 3 and 4 bangers. Assuming a roughly equal driving population between them, are you going to charge the same price for gas on both continents? Probably not, right? The gas sippers fuel up less frequently which means lower annual profits.

North America also manufactured big cars predicated, in part, on the idea that these are big countries with long distances between population centers. Let's face it, from a comfort angle would you have rather bundled your family into something like a Buick Roadmaster for a road trip or crammed them into a Datsun B-210 for the same road trip?

I've driven in Europe - It has superhighways that rival anything in Canada and the US. As for gas prices in Europe they have zero to do with total consumption and everything to do with taxes. Oil is the same price worldwide unless governments subsidize it. Also large cars don't need big engines. I drove a VW camper all over Australia and it was quite fuel efficient even with its boxy design.

Ever heard of the DEF system? Pushed by environmentalists, adopted by the Europeans, added to diesel systems to make them burn cleaner. Great concept except for the new chemicals being produced, mountains of plastic refuge and higher rate of fuel consumption on heavy trucks. We're talking 2-4 miles less a gallon. That's a fact, check it out. Europe, who led the way on this technology is now abandoning it. What a lot of truckers are doing is having the system removed completely at a cost of around $9000.00, which they recoup in fuel savings in under a year. But hey, it's good for the environment!

Same applies to the carbon tax. How it was being packaged and sold was to fund R&D for alternative fuel sources, but now it's general revenue. Guess you'll have to find a new way to get some R&D, maybe a revenue neutral (ha) green tax, which will inevitably end up being general revenue. I have said all along that I would support a carbon tax if it actually went into R&D, but people like you who claim to be smarter than everyone bend over, because arrogance outweighs common sense.

It's just a new GST. No benefit environmentally, whatsoever.

Perhaps if dumb asses didn't make excuses and held governments, to account like the rest of us, they might actually use the tax for what it was intended. But that would mean admitting you were wrong and we can't have that.

That still does not defeat my point about low fuel taxes acting as a subsidy for the big three automakers in the US. That was a policy that came back to bite the US and Canada in the ass, because when there was the oil crisis of the 1970 there were no fuel efficient cars being manufactured in North America. As a result the US had to resort to bringing in foreign imports to meet demand. I can remember second-hand Toyotas, Honds, and Datsuns selling for more money than when they were new.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

FFS there is a lot of hostility around here lately. Y'all need to flash up a fatty and chill.

A source of carbon. Needs to be taxed more. You shouldn't smoke it. Have it in a brownie.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I've driven in Europe - It has superhighways that rival anything in Canada and the US. As for gas prices in Europe they have zero to do with total consumption and everything to do with taxes. Oil is the same price worldwide unless governments subsidize it. Also large cars don't need big engines. I drove a VW camper all over Australia and it was quite fuel efficient even with its boxy design.



That still does not defeat my point about low fuel taxes acting as a subsidy for the big three automakers in the US. That was a policy that came back to bite the US and Canada in the ass, because when there was the oil crisis of the 1970 there were no fuel efficient cars being manufactured in North America. As a result the US had to resort to bringing in foreign imports to meet demand. I can remember second-hand Toyotas, Honds, and Datsuns selling for more money than when they were new.

You really believe that taking money out of the pockets of ordinary citizens and lining the pockets of government under the guise of environmentalism is good. Wow! I don't know what to say to that, except that I can't believe the gullibility of environmentalists.

I'll say it one last time. If the carbon tax were going into R&D and not general revenue I'd support it.

But it's not.

It's like this Bar Sinister. Just because you paint a garbage truck green, doesn't make it cleaner.
People need to shake their head.

 

[spilledthebeer]

A source of carbon. Needs to be taxed more. You shouldn't smoke it. Have it in a brownie.

Oh pity the poor LIE-berals as all their policies collapse into the dirt in disgrace! Its why they are so obsessed with talking about the allegedly wonderful future they claim their electric toys will bring us if only we will swallow our disgust and support LIE-berals one more time!

And then when we go sour on their electric toy promises they start cherry picking through lists of taxes looking for sleazy loop holes to pump more gravy through for themselves! LIE-berals are desperate to find more gravy and they will distort any situation and offer up fake news till we are dizzy with it! They whine constantly about fairness- by they mean they get all the money and we get all the bills!

And they believe that the environment can be saved if only ordinary people will give up driving, give up heating their homes, give up OWNING ANYTHING, give up any thought of having any kidn of stable life and simply head out on the road as migrant workers performing whatever work LIE-berals desire- at any price LIE-berals care to offer!

And of course this life of penury and misery will allow LIE-berals to collect all the gravy they desire from a helpless and hopeless population- one has only to read that distopian novel Brave New World to see our LIE-beral future! Its why LIE-berals are so serious about legalizing ALL DRUGS! A drugged population is seen as docile and dependent on govt aid!

All the past LIE-beral promises have been exposed as LIES so now they bait and switch and offer up this last delusional offer of electric toy cars- funded by suddenly “fair taxes” that Ontari-owe LIE-berals had 15 years to implement and did nothing! But LIE-berals do NOT want to talk about the COST of their grossly selfish “fairness”! LIE-berals are really only fixated on how much money they can skim off the electric car “business” that exists ONLY due to govt bribery! WE are NOT supposed to ask about all the previous LIE-beral messes!

LIE-berals do not ask much of us- all they want is total control of ALL the money, they want to control the media using Islamophobia LIES, and they want a docile population that blindly swallows LIE-beral propaganda!

Oh- and they want to EXPAND their carbon footprint because gas guzzling toys are so much fun to play with and our bright new LIE-beral future starts now when we BELIEVE the FAKE NEWS LIE-berals are feeding us!

LIE-berals have all the charm and grace of small, petulant, grossly spoiled children!

LIE-berals are easily placated- since all they want is all the power, all the money and NO RESPONSIBILITY!

 

[pgs]

You really believe that taking money out of the pockets of ordinary citizens and lining the pockets of government under the guise of environmentalism is good. Wow! I don't know what to say to that, except that I can't believe the gullibility of environmentalists.

I'll say it one last time. If the carbon tax were going into R&D and not general revenue I'd support it.

But it's not.

It's like this Bar Sinister. Just because you paint a garbage truck green, doesn't make it cleaner.
People need to shake their head.

Hey we have those green diesel garbage trucks out here .

 

[EagleSmack]

You really believe that taking money out of the pockets of ordinary citizens and lining the pockets of government under the guise of environmentalism is good. Wow! I don't know what to say to that, except that I can't believe the gullibility of environmentalists.

Many of the environmentalist are perfectly fine with the cash grab. That is what this is all about. They do not care where the money is spent, and they certainly know it will have zero effect on the climate.

It's like this Bar Sinister. Just because you paint a garbage truck green, doesn't make it cleaner.
People need to shake their head.

GREEN WASHING BABY!

That is how US corporations are getting around the regulations.

 

[captain morgan]

Like this little example.... Betcha that it runs on that non-carbon based diesel.

Extra friendly to Gaia

 

[petros]

Even worse.. bunker.