Say it isn't so! B.C. Carbon Tax now longer revenue neutral.

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

You were dumb enough to think it would be?

No, I knew all along. But the deniers, like the guy in the next quote are quick to change their tune.

Why the hell should it be? If you want people to use more fuel-efficient cars or to carpool then increasing fuel prices is probably the only way to encourage it.

Because the point of the carbon tax was to put it into R&D for alternative energy. Hence revenue neutral. But we all new that was bullshit. Just another tax. And a bunch of idiot environmentalists who signed on, even though it does sweet **** all for alternative energy.

Holy shit, have some dignity, unlike us who didn't want it, you're getting double teamed.

Higher prices lead to one thing. More money for corporations and higher demand. When prices are at a premium, there's good wages and prosperity in the oil and gas sector. Sucks for the consumer, but at least the big corporations and their employees get fed.

Flossy, I knew about the article, my original source was the CBC. I just googled those links.

Now go make me a sandwich.

 

[Cliffy]

FFS there is a lot of hostility around here lately. Y'all need to flash up a fatty and chill.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

FFS there is a lot of hostility around here lately. Y'all need to flash up a fatty and chill.

The Dude abides.

 

[captain morgan]

I'd say he's in a total meltdown.

Complete and total melt down.

... maybe he can change his handle to Chernobyl or something

The poor lend the province money for over a year and are paid back quarterly over the next year. This means poor wait 1 year and 9 months to get paid back without interest.

Yabut, big brudder knows best and he's helping the lower income folks save those dollars for a rainy day, so as gvt is doing them a favor, they really ought to charge for that valuable service

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Complete and total melt down.

... maybe he can change his handle to Chernobyl or something



Yabut, big brudder knows best and he's helping the lower income folks save those dollars for a rainy day, so as gvt is doing them a favor, they really ought to charge for that valuable service

They do. About 5 1/2%

 

[captain morgan]

Then they're doing them an even bigger favor in insulting them from launching into a higher tax bracket.

Those gvt types are just great guys all around

 

[Hoid]

When prices are at a premium, there's good wages and prosperity in the oil and gas sector.

BC gas prices at all time high and the Alberta oil patch is crying.

 

[captain morgan]

Theys gonna be gettin' a whole lot higher

 

[Cannuck]

BC gas prices at all time high and the Alberta oil patch is crying.

Really? Son-in-law works in the patch. He's quite happy

 

[EagleSmack]

Complete and total melt down.

... maybe he can change his handle to Chernobyl or something

Revenue neutral carbon taxes... only a special kind of idiot would believe that.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

BC gas prices at all time high and the Alberta oil patch is crying.

You don't get out much do you. I believe they drilled (now don't cry) an additional 150 or so wells above what was forecast. Here's the thing, Hoid Baby, a bad day in Alberta is like a good day in Ontario. Always has been, always will be.

 

[Hoid]

You don't get out much do you. I believe they drilled (now don't cry) an additional 150 or so wells above what was forecast. Here's the thing, Hoid Baby, a bad day in Alberta is like a good day in Ontario. Always has been, always will be.

Yes those bitumen wells are rockin

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Yes those bitumen wells are rockin

We're headed for another boom.

 

[Hoid]

Did you lose the last one?

 

[gerryh]

Did you lose the last one?

blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah

 

[Bar Sinister]

No, I knew all along. But the deniers, like the guy in the next quote are quick to change their tune.



Because the point of the carbon tax was to put it into R&D for alternative energy. Hence revenue neutral. But we all new that was bullshit. Just another tax. And a bunch of idiot environmentalists who signed on, even though it does sweet **** all for alternative energy.

The thing is that low carbon taxes (or whatever you want to call them) really act as a form of subsidy to auto manufacturers, encouraging them to focus on the manufacture of large inefficient vehicles rather than smaller energy efficient vehicles. Europeans figured it out years ago. If you want to drive gas guzzlers then you better have deep pockets.

 

[Cannuck]

Not taxing is subsidizing...

*face palm*

 

[Jinentonix]

The thing is that low carbon taxes (or whatever you want to call them) really act as a form of subsidy to auto manufacturers, encouraging them to focus on the manufacture of large inefficient vehicles rather than smaller energy efficient vehicles. Europeans figured it out years ago. If you want to drive gas guzzlers then you better have deep pockets.

Europe- narrow roads = smaller cars. It's really that simple. Those smaller cars are also why Europe has traditionally paid quite a bit more for gas than we have and do. And yes BS, even before all this environmental angst started. Smaller cars generally mean less fuel being used. Less fuel being used means lower annual profits for oil companies.

Let me put it this way. Pretend you're an oil company and you're selling gasoline to North America and Europe. NA has a bunch of gas-guzzling 8s on the road while Europe has a bunch of gas-sipping 3 and 4 bangers. Assuming a roughly equal driving population between them, are you going to charge the same price for gas on both continents? Probably not, right? The gas sippers fuel up less frequently which means lower annual profits.

North America also manufactured big cars predicated, in part, on the idea that these are big countries with long distances between population centers. Let's face it, from a comfort angle would you have rather bundled your family into something like a Buick Roadmaster for a road trip or crammed them into a Datsun B-210 for the same road trip?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

The thing is that low carbon taxes (or whatever you want to call them) really act as a form of subsidy to auto manufacturers, encouraging them to focus on the manufacture of large inefficient vehicles rather than smaller energy efficient vehicles. Europeans figured it out years ago. If you want to drive gas guzzlers then you better have deep pockets.

Ever heard of the DEF system? Pushed by environmentalists, adopted by the Europeans, added to diesel systems to make them burn cleaner. Great concept except for the new chemicals being produced, mountains of plastic refuge and higher rate of fuel consumption on heavy trucks. We're talking 2-4 miles less a gallon. That's a fact, check it out. Europe, who led the way on this technology is now abandoning it. What a lot of truckers are doing is having the system removed completely at a cost of around $9000.00, which they recoup in fuel savings in under a year. But hey, it's good for the environment!

Same applies to the carbon tax. How it was being packaged and sold was to fund R&D for alternative fuel sources, but now it's general revenue. Guess you'll have to find a new way to get some R&D, maybe a revenue neutral (ha) green tax, which will inevitably end up being general revenue. I have said all along that I would support a carbon tax if it actually went into R&D, but people like you who claim to be smarter than everyone bend over, because arrogance outweighs common sense.

It's just a new GST. No benefit environmentally, whatsoever.

Perhaps if dumb asses didn't make excuses and held governments, to account like the rest of us, they might actually use the tax for what it was intended. But that would mean admitting you were wrong and we can't have that.

 

[Hoid]

"and held governments, to account like the rest of us"

ok