Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[JamesBondo]

clearly Hoid believes that the only thing that is stopping him(Hoid) from becoming a murder is the lack of a firearm.

With his convictions, who can blame him for wanting gun control.

 

[Hoid]

in my case sanity is preventing me from carrying out a mass murder.

In the case of crazy people maybe tough gun laws would help.

 

[bluebyrd35]

"How does gun control address the rapid rise in mental health concerns?"

How do I teach thee? Let me count the ways.

l. A decent waiting period where the FBI can look into a criminal or mental background. 2. When such is found ban the gun sale. 3. Make sure they have had a least a basic course in how to handle a gun. 3. Set a limit on age for handling a gun. A young brain is impulsive. 4. Do they have a domestic violence history.
5. Make sure the gun bought actually gives the victim, human or animal a chance.

By the way do you know how long it takes to cure any mental illness? If the patient is being treated does it mean that for all the months and years of treatment,are they still allowed to buy a weapon??

Nobody expects reasonable laws will eliminate all shootings but think about how many more road accidents there would be if we didn't require a license to drive and to pass a test to prove they are capable of safe driving. Why should it be any different for an artifact that is manufactured to hurt of kill?

 

[Murphy]

Mentally ill people can pass driver's tests.
Mentally ill people can buy poison, gas, lighters and matches at the store.
Mentally ill people can buy knives, baseball bats.

You obviously know nothing about firearms. Not all firearms are built to hurt or kill. Darts were originally designed as close fighting weapons. Fencing, the javelin toss, discus throwing and other sports were originally designed to prepare men to fight and improve their use of weapons.

These things were manufactured to hurt and kill. They are no different than most firearms, yet they are unregulated. And hey, if it saves just one life...

 

[JLM]

Mentally ill people can pass driver's tests.
Mentally ill people can buy poison, gas, lighters and matches at the store.
Mentally ill people can buy knives, baseball bats.

Makes sense, most of us are mentally ill to some degree!

in my case sanity is preventing me from carrying out a mass murder.

In the case of crazy people maybe tough gun laws would help.

999/1000 crazy people would never murder anyone! We are becoming too obsessed with these one in a thousand odds and should start accepting the fact that shit happens and be prepared to duck at all times.

 

[JamesBondo]

Makes sense, most of us are mentally ill to some degree!



999/1000 crazy people would never murder anyone! We are becoming too obsessed with these one in a thousand odds and should start accepting the fact that shit happens and be prepared to duck at all times.

Hoid has no faith in the 999 people, and he believe the firearm possesses pure evil. The kind of evil that could make mother teresa take out a dozen girl guides at a friendship fire.

 

[Murphy]

He doesn't really have an informed opinion. He just reads what others have posted and says the opposite. 14 year old boys do that. It's so cool, dontcha know!

Him and Flossy hang out at a Mississauga mall like Beavis and Butthead.

 

[bluebyrd35]

LOL All you geniuses have proven is that decent gun control laws is the only option open in order to bring the death toll from gunfire down It is certainly a better solution that spending millions on mental illness in children.

There are NO cures per se for mental illness. It is not like a broken arm that can heal, or diseases that are inoculated against, or scurvy that simply needs a shot of vitamin C. With treatment mental illness can be treated so a person can feel better, outlook improve but no psychiatrist will say it can be cured. Psychopaths will remain so.

There are degrees of mental illnesses. Many of those with one can operate a car, become and are reasonably functioning people. Under the law in Florida one can leave a mental institution and drive to the nearest gun outlet and buy one with no restriction except the money to purchase it.

Oh are you really claiming that darts or bows and arrows are as deadly as a gun....any gun with perhaps the exceptions i.e. a glue gun. for one. Do not say firearms were created for any reason except to wound or kill. Target shooting was taken up to gain a more decent shot at prey.

 

[Murphy]

LOL All you geniuses have proven is that decent gun control laws is the only option open in order to bring the death toll from gunfire down It is certainly a better solution that spending millions on mental illness in children.

But there are cures for many kinds of mental illness. You have just written off everyone suffering from any sort of mental problem. Well done. Are you a psychologist?

There are NO cures per se for mental illness. It is not like a broken arm that can heal, or diseases that are inoculated against, or scurvy that simply needs a shot of vitamin C. With treatment mental illness can be treated so a person can feel better, outlook improve but no psychiatrist will say it can be cured. Psychopaths will remain so.

I see, so this next quote agrees with my statement that we should be trying to treat or cure mental illnesses. If people can be made better, even a little, then we should be making an effort.

There are degrees of mental illnesses. Many of those with one can operate a car, become and are reasonably functioning people. Under the law in Florida one can leave a mental institution and drive to the nearest gun outlet and buy one with no restriction except the money to purchase it.

If mental illness is not treatable, then no one would become a functioning person.

You stated that people can leave mental institutions and buy guns. If this is so, why hasn't the doctor or the state declared this person unfit? I was under the impression that gun purchases in Florida had to be approved by the Dept of Law Enforcement. There is a three day wait for a handgun purchase. I am not sure about long guns.

If a person has been placed in a mental institution by the state or a doctor, this would be recorded. I am not a lawyer or a legislator, but it seems that persons deemed to be mentally ill would not be approved.

I think you're talking through your hat.

 

[bluebyrd35]

LOL Please look up the facts and quit misquoting me. I did not say mental illness could not be treated. What I did say is they are not curable!!! All they need to do is stop taking meds an they are as bad or worse than before starting treatment.

I saw a man buyng a gun over the counter at the local walmart's last year. He check it all over then handed it to his 12 year old to check out. He told the fellow behind the counter it was the kid's birthday present. Clerk never turned a hair!! You are judging what you know of Canadian laws and assume things about other nations that are just not so.

Think before you type. If in Florida which is the state what I know most about, there is no checking on mental status to buy a gun and while a younger than 18 year old cannot buy a gun on their own, there is no law that say they cannot be given one. Guns are on sale at the flea market and all you need to acquire one is cash.

You might also look into access to medical treatment in the US It takes big bucks and unless the patient is dying, institutions, particularly mental ones are not obliged to admit or treat them. As soon as the violent ones run out of cash or insurance, they get prescriptions and let loose.. How many mentally ill, especially those who are obviously so, able to afford medical insurance? They usually are unable to earn enough to feed themselves. So, who is talking through their hats here.

That young 19 year old was reported to the police many times. He was mentally ill, he posted on social media more than once his intentions. There are no laws broken until he actually committed to kill.

 

[Murphy]

I quoted you. I don't have to look up anything. You are making statements. It is up to you to prove them. Let me be blunt. You're full of shit.

I am not quoting Cdn laws. I only talked about Florida.

If the man was buying the handgun for his son, then he would be making the purchase. Letting his son look at it is not illegal. The boy was under supervision.

I suggest that you think before you type.

Do you know or can you prove that someone that leaves a mental institution can go into Walmart and purchase a handgun? I don't believe you. You made the statement. Prove it.

How the mentally ill pay for medical insurance has nothing to do with buying or owning firearms.

Last thing. If that young man was reported many times, then the police failed.If he posted murderous intent on FB, the police could have acted.

Now I know you are talking through your hat. :lol:

 

[bluebyrd35]

This is what I said:-

"There are NO cures per se for mental illness. It is not like a broken arm that can heal, or diseases that are inoculated against, or scurvy that simply needs a shot of vitamin C. With treatment mental illness can be treated so a person can feel better, outlook improve but no psychiatrist will say it can be cured. Psychopaths will remain so.

There are degrees of mental illnesses. Many of those with one can operate a car, become and are reasonably functioning people. Under the law in Florida one can leave a mental institution and drive to the nearest gun outlet and buy one with no restriction except the money to purchase it."

http://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/psychiatry-admits-it-has-no-cures.html

Is this enough or do you need more?

By the way if there is no law restricting the purchase of a firearm, why couldn't a mental patient walk out of a mental institution and walk into a gun store and buy one. They can down here!! There is no investigation nor waiting time.

 

[Curious Cdn]

This is what I said:-

"There are NO cures per se for mental illness. It is not like a broken arm that can heal, or diseases that are inoculated against, or scurvy that simply needs a shot of vitamin C. With treatment mental illness can be treated so a person can feel better, outlook improve but no psychiatrist will say it can be cured. Psychopaths will remain so.

There are degrees of mental illnesses. Many of those with one can operate a car, become and are reasonably functioning people. Under the law in Florida one can leave a mental institution and drive to the nearest gun outlet and buy one with no restriction except the money to purchase it."

Psychiatry Admits It Has No Cures

Is this enough or do you need more?

By the way if there is no law restricting the purchase of a firearm, why couldn't a mental patient walk out of a mental institution and walk into a gun store and buy one. They can down here!!

Which mental illness is associated with incessant trolling, constant issuiance of ad hominems and generally lecturing the other board posters, like some little old lady might do?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Probably right beside the one that is associated with insulting, know it all males who hate being bested by that little lady of any age!!

 

[Curious Cdn]

Probably right beside the one that is associated with insulting, know it all males who hate being bested by that little lady of any age!!

You got it! Murphy is a "little old lady of any age"!

 

[Murphy]

Is this enough or do you need more?

By the way if there is no law restricting the purchase of a firearm, why couldn't a mental patient walk out of a mental institution and walk into a gun store and buy one. They can down here!! There is no investigation nor waiting time.

I do need more, but that will do for now. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder. I could care less if you are young or old. Male or female.

You cannot walk into a store in Florida and buy a handgun. There is a 3 day waiting period. I will provide a link later. I am on my phone.

You sound like someone who plays fast and loose with the facts.

 

[Hoid]

admitting you're wrong on the internet?

is that a thing now?

 

[JLM]

admitting you're wrong on the internet?

is that a thing now?

Not a bad idea if it beats someone else to the punch admitting you are wrong!

By the way if there is no law restricting the purchase of a firearm, why couldn't a mental patient walk out of a mental institution and walk into a gun store and buy one. They can down here!! There is no investigation nor waiting time.

The danger there may not be as great as a lot of people think. If 1000 mental patients had access to a weapon, possibly only one or less would do anything detrimental with it. Can the same be said for "sane" people?

 

[Murphy]

Learn something bluebyrd. References provided.

First, WRT the child and his father in Walmart buying a handgun. The child was under the supervision of his dad. That means the child can hold and look at the handgun.

1. ...Furthermore, the minor may only be in possession of a weapon only while engaged in sporting, hunting, and recreational activities that are considered as legal, and under the supervision of a parent, legal guardian, or certified or qualified instructor.

WRT the waiting period, it is three days for a handgun. You cannot buy one and leave with it.

2. "A licensed firearms dealer must also obtain a completed form from the prospective buyer of a firearm and receive approval for the transfer of a firearm by the Department of Law Enforcement, pending a background check of the individual.

It is considered illegal for a licensed firearms dealer to deliver a weapon to a buyer without having completed the aforementioned process. Those that are not subject to the background check include other licensed dealers, law enforcement and military personnel, and individuals that have already obtained a permit to carry concealed weapons. There is a three day waiting period to purchase a handgun from any licensed firearms dealer.

Ref: https://gun.laws.com/state-gun-laws/florida-gun-laws
---

The mentally ill cannot buy or own firearms. A doctor makes this determination. State law prohibits ownership or sales to those deemed to be mentally ill.

WRT the mentally ill buying firearms, if the state or a doctor has someone committed, they cannot purchase firearms. People who check themselves in voluntarily, may be able to buy a firearm. So your patient who left the hospital and purchased a firearm must have voluntarily gone to the hospital, or the sale was illegal.

From the ref:

"According to state law, while people institutionalized against their will, commonly known as the Baker Act, are prohibited from purchasing firearms, those who voluntarily commit themselves and stay on a voluntary status can obtain guns. In addition, if a doctor determines a person's "dangerousness" is not imminent, Florida laws says they can buy guns."

https://www.fox4now.com/news/local-...llow-mentally-ill-to-purchase-guns-in-florida

Baker Act - http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/samh/MentalHealth/laws/HB1355-Saleanddeliveryoffirearms.pdf
---

So I suggest that next time, you should check and provide facts for your assertions.

 

[DaSleeper]

Look like Hoid/Waldo jumped the gun <pardon the pun>