BREAKING: Ontario PC Leader Slammed With Sexual Misconduct Allegations

[mentalfloss]

Who's stopping him from dealing with it?

 

[Hoid]

I wonder if accusing someone of supporting pedophiles is as bad as being a pedophile

 

[Walter]

Not as a percentage of their income.

Bleeding Heart Tightwads - The New York Times

 

[B00Mer]

Yeah funny enough, wynne is a bit of a rainbow freak her self.

Homophobic much Danbones...

Lesbian girls friends are the best, they always bring a friend

 

[WLDB]

Bob Rae pretty much assured that the NDP will never form a government in Ontario ever again.

It’s been nearly 25 years since he left office. Quite a few voters were either born later or were too young to remember what happened. Give it another 10 years or so and that’ll be a significant voting block.

 

[Curious Cdn]

It’s been nearly 25 years since he left office. Quite a few voters were either born later or were too young to remember what happened. Give it another 10 years or so and that’ll be a significant voting block.

My wife (an RPN, at the time) still spits out the expression "Rae Days" for that famous labour-friendly, NDP bright idea to not pay nurses in hospitals now and again. I'm quite sure that all of those NDP MPPs never missed a paycheque.

 

[WLDB]

And, what has happened to innocent until proven guilty? Many of these men have said they aren't guilty and as a lawyer I heard on the radio state, these men who say they are innocent need to have the balls to stand up to those women if they are being wrongly accused instead of going and hiding. No man is safe, that's for sure and we've become a society of judges without due process. It is extremely worrisome for sure!!

DIx

Nothing happened to that rule. That line is something that has always only referred to the Justice System, not public opinion. If Brown had been thrown in prison without charges or trial then you’d have a point and it would be worrisome. He hasn’t been. He’s still a free man who can do whatever he wants. He chose to quit rather than stay and fight. It’ll be interesting to see if he chooses to fight now that he’s out. No one has forced any of these men out of their positions. They chose resignation and to disappear. Brown also chose public life. When you do that you open yourself to all kinds of personal attacks whether they’re justified or not.

My wife (an RPN, at the time) still spits out the expression "Rae Days" for that famous labour-friendly, NDP bright idea to not pay nurses in hospitals now and again. I'm quite sure that all of those NDP MPPs never missed a paycheque.

My grandmother did too Back when she was lucid. None of those MPPs are around anymore and it happened decades ago. Doesn’t really matter now. I’m not voting for them this time around but I don’t particularly care what any party did 20 years ago. I care about what they and their candidates are now.

It's a shame that these kinds of things are so difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt; but whether we like it or not, this kind of thing belongs in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion.

That said, if point 1 had not applied, I certainly would have made a criminal complaint.

When it involves a public person seeking the top job in the province it belongs in both. Voters should know what type of person their candidates are. Better to know now than to wind up hearing about it once they’re actually in office. If he had stayed on and decided to fight and give his side of the story maybe the voters would have believed him, or maybe not. We will never know now. If he was a private citizen like you and I then no one would really care.

 

[10larry]

Something called time did happen to innocent until proved guilty, by the time 'justice' is rendered two elections can easily pass offering no help to victim Brown. In his case no judge or jury is needed hi profile feminists like kathleen, andrea and justin have declared him guilty, no mention whatsoever of evidentiary conviction by them, he is guilty period.
Guilt or innocence matters not the damage is done, timing is really suspect and the libs corrupt track record leads me to suspect they had a finger in orchestrating this drama.

 

[taxslave]

I think that all politicians before being elected should prove that they are eligible for canonization....That it!!!

Is that like being shot from a cannon?

Homophobic much Danbones...

Lesbian girls friends are the best, they always bring a friend

But they don't do Dick.

Nothing happened to that rule. That line is something that has always only referred to the Justice System, not public opinion. If Brown had been thrown in prison without charges or trial then you’d have a point and it would be worrisome. He hasn’t been. He’s still a free man who can do whatever he wants. He chose to quit rather than stay and fight. It’ll be interesting to see if he chooses to fight now that he’s out. No one has forced any of these men out of their positions. They chose resignation and to disappear. Brown also chose public life. When you do that you open yourself to all kinds of personal attacks whether they’re justified or not.



My grandmother did too Back when she was lucid. None of those MPPs are around anymore and it happened decades ago. Doesn’t really matter now. I’m not voting for them this time around but I don’t particularly care what any party did 20 years ago. I care about what they and their candidates are now.



When it involves a public person seeking the top job in the province it belongs in both. Voters should know what type of person their candidates are. Better to know now than to wind up hearing about it once they’re actually in office. If he had stayed on and decided to fight and give his side of the story maybe the voters would have believed him, or maybe not. We will never know now. If he was a private citizen like you and I then no one would really care.

If he was a private citizen these false allegations would never have been made. The timing on this one just does not pass the smell test.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Blame the victim is an obvious opinion for conbots.


Patrick Brown and priorities: Why the PC Party leader couldn't last - Macleans.ca

Where was this "victim" 20 and 6 years ago? Why wouldn't they have complained then?


Cam you tell me exactly where you were and what exactly you were doing 20 years ago - specifically on oh, lets say August 9, 1998? What specifically were you doing that day?


That's what I'm objecting to - all this coming up NOW. If this would have happened last year or 6 months or 6 weeks ago that's one thing. But who of us here on CC can say that we haven't one way or the other been disrespectful or did something really stupid when we were younger and have regrets now?


Weinstein (or whatever his name is) showed CONSISTENT behavior for years and years and years and NOW people are coming forward? Where the hell were they when his "activities" were first discovered? He should be in jail with the key thrown away because he's a serial sexual deviant (for lack of a better word). Anyone who does what he did should face prosecution.


However, stupidity of actions taken 10, 20 and 30 years ago should not be included with those of the Weinstein ilk. Both men and women need to take responsibility for their actions but it seems to me that it's a one-way street and that's all I'm saying and it's simply not fair. When a woman says that a man sexually assaulted her in his bedroom, what the hell was she doing in his bedroom to begin with? Again, it's all on him.


Pamela Anderson was absolutely scourged because she said when a man wants to do an interview at his apartment and he opened the door in a housecoat, run the other way and she's absolutely right. Any man that does that should be tarred and feathered but women have some responsibility as well - by simply not putting themselves into the situation to begin with.


Having said that of course there's exceptions and of course sexual assault should be reported and the victim believed. I'm just saying that some of this is going too far and it takes away from the real victims who have suffered and continue to suffer from the repercussions.


So Mentalflosse, if that means as a "con bot" that I am blaming the victim, in some circumstances, I do. Many, many of these situations could have been avoided by the women. Does that absolve the men? Absolutely not - men like that are morons but women must take some responsibility and it seems to me they have none and that's not right.


JMHO


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[B00Mer]

But they don't do Dick.

Well the ones I knew in Texas did.. Black girl and her white friend.

 

[Danbones]

Anonymous unproven allegations, wow! just like Roy Moore.

Patrick Brown's clever strategy is withstanding Liberal attacks: Watt
Kathleen Davis (grand daughter of former Ontario Premier Bill Davis ) shares a laugh with Patrick Brown, leader of the Ontario PC Party at the the 2017 TVO Gala.

"Brown has learned the lessons of his predecessors, and he has refused to give the Liberals an opportunity to wedge him into uncomfortable positions," writes Jaime Watt. (TOM SANDLER FOR THE TORONTO STAR)
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...egy-is-withstanding-liberal-attacks-watt.html



Ontario PC leadership upheaval is better late than never

Tempting as it may be to write off the Progressive Conservative’s, Patrick Brown’s resignation could actually trigger a party renaissance.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...-and-died-by-the-court-of-public-opinion.html

Oh now, there you have the reason why.

Right out of the liberal playbook.

While obama makes sex in the barracks legal, bill clinton rapes the babes, hillary defends child rapist laughingly, and weinstein opens the door in his house coat, while Oprah procures for him, and weiner sexts 15 year olds, and trudeau punches opposition women in the boobs..

Oh well, back to the humpday thread.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Sexual misconduct an open secret on Parliament Hill, say ex-staffers

After allegations of sexual misconduct rocked Hollywood and Canada's arts and entertainment industry, former Parliament Hill staffers say it was only a matter of time before the spotlight turned to Canadian politics.

"It's always been a matter of when — not if — these stories will break," said Lauren Dobson-Hughes, a former NDP staffer.
Dobson-Hughes said she too faced routine sexual misconduct in her seven years on the Hill.

"Daily references to my figure, to my sex life, whether I was married," she said.
"Being grabbed and groped, being forcibly kissed."
Some political insiders have described this kind of behaviour as an open secret, many Canadians are just this week learning the extent of sexual harassment concerns in the halls of power across the country.
Three senior politicians were forced to resign this week amid allegations of sexual misconduct:

Nova Scotia Progressive Conservative leader Jamie Baillie was the first to go, stepping down Wednesday after an investigation into allegations of inappropriate behaviour .
Early Thursday morning, Patrick Brown resigned as leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party after two women came forward accusing him of sexual misconduct.
Later that day, federal Sports Minister Kent Hehr stepped away from cabinet pending an investigation into allegations of sexual harassment.

Dobson-Hughes said these stories highlight the pressures women face to bury their concerns.
Politics has its own culture and rules, she said, adding that party loyalty goes a long way in explaining why more women — and men — don't come forward.
"Nobody wants to be the one who damages their party's election chances, gets an MP dumped from caucus," Dobson-Hughes said.
Fearful they might lose their job or be blacklisted from their party, victims of harassment often see no other choice but to keep quiet, she said.
Asked whether she reported the incidents she experienced, Dobson-Hughes said harassment on the Hill was well known to MPs and senior staff, who did nothing to address it.

Rules need improvement

In December 2014, the House of Commons adopted a policy on preventing and addressing harassment.
Staff who feel they've been harassed or feel unsafe can file a formal complaint, either with their party's whip or the House of Commons chief human resources officer.
Heather Bradley, a spokesperson for the House of Commons, told CBC on Friday that the office of the chief human resources officer continues to work with party whips to ensure that MPs, and staff are made aware of their rights and responsibilities under the harassment policy.
The House of Commons encourages members and staff to participate in an online training session on harassment prevention, Bradley said, adding that an additional in-person training course is being developed.
But requiring people who say they're victims of harassment to following the policy adopted in December 2014 could pose a problem, says Jennifer Robson, a former Liberal staffer who now teaches political management at Carleton University in Ottawa.
"Harassment policies … only work if number one, people know what they are and understand their rights, and number two, trust that the process will be fair and reasonable," said Robson.
In November 2017, federal Labour Minister Patty Hajdu introduced legislation to crack down on harassment in federal workplaces, including Parliament Hill.
Once passed, the legislation would allow anyone unhappy with how their dispute is being handled to complain to the federal labour minister, who could step in to investigate and order sanctions for employers.
But political staffers will still have fewer protections than members of the Parliamentary Protective Service or those who work in the Library of Parliament, because their employer is not Parliament, but rather the politician they work for.

Breeding grounds for harassment

"When I was on the Hill, I had no idea where I would address these sorts of concerns," said Amy Kishek, a former NDP staffer.
She never experienced sexual harassment herself, but said allegations of inappropriate behaviour often came up in her discussions with female colleagues.
More often than not, she said, the incidents involved young women new to politics — volunteers, interns or staffers who had just landed their first job in an MP's office.
"You want to want to be part of the team," Kishek said, adding that staffers often feel beholden to their bosses.
"You're constantly told that for each one of you, there are tons of people who want to be there on the Hill doing that kind of work."
As part of their duties, staffers spend a significant portion of their time at after-hours events, and Kishek said they often involve heavy drinking.
It's in those settings that staffers commonly experience harassment, Kishek alleges, adding that pubs around Parliament Hill have long and notoriously been seen as breeding grounds for inappropriate behaviour.
While allegations like those surfacing this week may reinforce the idea that politics are culturally toxic to women, Robson said there is research showing that the Me Too and Time's Up movements are prompting more women than ever before to put their names on the ballot.
"They don't want to be dealing with sexual harassment," Robson said of her own students.
"They want to do politics."

Three former Green Party staffers accuse Elizabeth May of workplace bullying

OTTAWA—Three former Green Party staffers are accusing longtime leader Elizabeth May of workplace bullying, alleging she has created a toxic work environment with conduct that includes yelling at employees and putting them down in front of their colleagues.
Rob Rainer, a manager of six non-profit organizations before he served as the party’s interim executive director in 2014, said the Green Party has failed to address and prevent a pattern of “verbal and emotional” abuse by the 63-year-old leader.

“What I witnessed was her proclivity to be negative and — most seriously — to berate, belittle and bully individuals,” Rainer said. “How we speak to other people can really, really hurt.”

May and the party’s current executive director, Emily McMillan, and another high-ranking party official flatly denied the allegations and dismissed them as nothing more than the grumbling resentment of former employees.
Rainer is calling on the party to apologize “to everyone who has been hurt by her behaviour” and bring in an external investigator to examine May’s alleged conduct.
“She should be forced to step down as leader of the party and sit as an independent MP,” Rainer said.
Diana Nunes said she worked as the party’s director of finance for more than 10 years until she was “abruptly” terminated in April 2015. She recalled numerous instances where May allegedly “threw a fit” and yelled at employees, though she herself was never the target.
Nevertheless, Nunes called May a “bully” who is “mean to the core.”
Another former staffer, Vanessa Brustolin, said she worked as the party’s Manitoba-Ontario organizer for three months last summer. She claimed that May yelled at her on three occasions and that she was let go by the party after complaining to her division boss and May’s assistants that, “if she spoke like this in private industry, she’d be fired.”
In a 50-minute interview addressing general and specific concerns raised by the former staffers, May rejected being characterized as a “bully.” Instead, she described her leadership style as generous and supportive, stating that she “habitually” gives her own money to party operatives who are in financial difficulty.
She also said she “can’t recall ever yelling or screaming” in the workplace.
“I studied for the priesthood. I’m really quite a committed Christian. I believe in treating people the way I’d like to be treated myself,” May said.
“I am the antithesis of the bully leader.”
The allegations are emerging less than two years before May’s fourth federal election as Green Party leader. In her 11 years as the party’s flag-bearer, she has become the public embodiment of the environment-focused movement, having been the Greens’ champion since the early days of Stephen Harper’s Conservative government.
But the political landscape has dramatically shifted, with a Liberal government spouting big talk on core Green issues like climate change and environmental protection. May’s party appears entrenched on the sidelines of political relevancy, consistently scoring in the mid-single digits in national polls. And she remains the only person ever elected to Parliament under the Green banner, as the party’s share of the popular vote in the last election was barely half of what they scored in 2008, her first national contest as leader.
Some longtime activists in the party are jostling for a change. Former Green Party president Mark MacKenzie, who is now a local councillor in the eastern Ontario Township of Renfrew, said he believes the party has grown too closely associated with May’s image and personality.
“Somebody else needs to be on the website. Somebody else needs to be featured. Somebody else needs to be speaking for the Green Party,” he said. “It has pretty much been the Elizabeth May Party of Canada.”
The bullying accusations appear to fly in the face of May’s frequent public calls for a better, more respectful tone in Parliament. They also contradict the glowing praise she receives from some party volunteers and staff.
Stacey Leadbetter, a longtime Green activist who ran for the party in Durham in 2015, called May “a shining example of what a Green Party leader should be.” Other former staff contacted by the Star declined to be interviewed, but indicated they had respect and admiration for May.
McMillan, the party’s executive director, said she believes the allegations stem from resentments over being let go by the party. She said the party has human resources policies and an internal dispute resolution mechanism to address issues in the workplace.
She added that, in her years working with May at the Green Party and Sierra Club — which May ran for several years before jumping into politics — she has never seen the leader yell in anger at an employee.
“I just think it’s sad that a woman in power is held to some kind of standard that you’re supposed to be meek and mild all the time,” McMillan said.
“There’s always going to be disgruntled former people in various roles who want to do damage.”
The three former staffers making the allegations paint a different portrait of the leader.
Rainer, the former interim executive director, said he submitted a written summary of his experience working with May to several party officials in November 2014.
The document, which was obtained by the Star, outlines exchanges Rainer had with May, describes how her conduct pushed him to “within hours of quitting” on several occasions, and states that by the end of his term with the party, he had “a profoundly visceral reaction to the presence of Elizabeth and even the sound of her very voice.”
Rainer’s document also alleges May told him over the phone that she had the power to have him fired, and once included him on an email to party executive officials that accused him of incompetence.
Rainer wrote that at one point he called May in an effort to smooth over their relationship, and that she allegedly told him “respect has to be earned.”
“She has a way of speaking that is very hostile — very cutting, degrading kinds of comments,” Rainer said in an interview. “Once you get in her bad books, life is going to be tough.”
Patricia Farnese, a lawyer who sits on the five-member legal entity that owns the party and hires the executive director, said she received the document from Rainer. Farnese said that it is the only time she has been given a written complaint about May’s behaviour.
The complaints were discussed and taken seriously, Farnese said, adding that she viewed them in the context of well-known friction that existed between Rainer and May over disagreements about whether party staffers are adequately paid.
That, combined with the fact that he no longer worked for the party, prompted the decision not to pursue any internal action in response to the allegations, she said.
“It seemed to us to be driven by a conflict in what (Rainer’s) job was, and what the roles of the job were,” she said.
McMillan, who did not receive Rainer’s document, said that she has never received a “formal complaint” about May’s behaviour toward party staff.
May also responded to a number of specific allegations from the former staffers.
In 2006, Nunes said that May requested that her new office in Ottawa be repainted. When May came back to the office before it was done, Nunes claimed the leader threw “a fit,” yelled at another employee and threatened to bring in former workers to get the job done.
In a separate incident, Nunes also claimed May was upset that her daughter was denied a party stipend for work she had done. Nunes alleged that May “slammed” her office door “so loud that every staff member in that place stopped and wondered what was going on.”
May said she recalled wanting her office painted in 2006, because it was “fire engine red” and she couldn’t work there without getting a headache. She said that when she came back from a trip to B.C., her office was the only room in the entire workspace that hadn’t been repainted. She suggested there was “some smirking” from staff, whom she said had supported her rival in recently-concluded party leadership race. May claimed she told them, “if you guys can’t get this done, I’ll bring in some volunteers,” but she denied yelling or getting angry about it.
“I’m not fussy about my work environment,” she said. “I’m just a workhorse.”
May also recalled that she asked for a stipend to compensate her daughter for work done during the 2011 election campaign. She said she had a “very poor” relationship with the party’s executive director at the time, and that she remembered only the decision to deny the stipend request.
“I certainly don’t remember slamming a door,” May said. “I’m not a door slammer.”
A third incident that May confirmed occurred in 2014, when she was on a conference call with a group of party employees. Nunes and Rainer, who were not on the call, said that May swore at a contract employee during the conversation about an upcoming party event. They said the employee was so distressed by the exchange that she went on sick leave and resigned a few days later.
Rainer’s summary of complaints describes the fallout of the exchange, and notes that he emailed with the employee about what happened. The report notes the employee felt May’s conduct was the worst “display of abusive bullying” the employee had ever experienced.
The employee declined to be interviewed when contacted by the Star.
May acknowledged that she swore during the call, but said she didn’t swear at the worker — she said “you’ve got to be effing kidding me” during a discussion about a web site and train tickets to an upcoming event.
“I do remember that I lost my temper, and I apologized to her right away,” May said. “I went into that telephone conversation having not had a full night’s sleep in about three days, and I was very apologetic… I said, ‘I’m so sorry. I don’t use language like that.’”
Brustolin, meanwhile, said she found May to be “belittling and demeaning” after she was hired in the spring of 2017. She claimed that May yelled at her when she tried to explain what she knew about environmental assessments during an exercise at a staff retreat about how to improve the Environmental Assessment Act. She said May started yelling at her about how she was one of the people who wrote the act, and that “I think I should know more about it than you.”
“(It was) loud to the point that everybody in the whole place just turned around and watched her yell at me,” Brustolin said.
May recalled the incident as well, but disputed Brustolin’s story. She said she was asked to give a briefing on the act, and then Brustolin chimed in about her own expertise in the area.
“I thought, well look — why don’t you do the briefing then?” May said. “And then unfortunately it became apparent that it was really back to me to do the briefing.
“It’s such a minor thing, and certainly not to make her feel bad,” May added. “I would never undercut anybody.”
Brustolin also said that a few weeks into her job, May’s chief of staff Debra Eindiguer and another staffer brought her to a meeting to give advice on how to work with the party leader. Nunes said such meetings occurred for new hires that may have to interact with May.
“They basically just talk to you about how to appropriately approach Elizabeth and speak to Elizabeth so she doesn’t yell at you,” Brustolin said.
She said she was told how to respond to May’s periodic chain emails; to avoid saying things like “‘I hope you’re enjoying a holiday,’ because she’s never on holiday.”
McMillan and May confirmed that training meetings for new staff sometimes address how to work with the leader. They said that May rarely interacts with staff at the partisan office, which is separate from her parliamentary office on the Hill. The training deals with things like how to communicate with the leader, who has different email addresses and electronic devices for various functions of her job, May said.
“It’s not like a do’s and don’ts, like I’m going to fly off the handle,” May said.
“Saying ‘have a good holiday’ is great, if I’m actually going on holiday. That’s not a rule,” she explained. “Say I walk through (the) Pride parade… The physical effort of it is exhausting. So if the next day someone says, ‘I hope you had fun at the Pride parade,’ you say: ‘Uhh, no, really… That was kind of work.’
“It’s not like, don’t say that. It’s a question of empathy,” she said.
May said the idea that she is a bully at work is simply “not a reality” and that, after so many years in politics, it’s natural that some people don’t like her. She pointed out that 93 per cent of Green members who voted in an online leadership review after the 2015 election approved of her performance.
“Not everybody is going to love every encounter,” she said. “I do my best to be a very thoughtful and kind person.”

 

[JLM]

One was still in high school when she says Brown, a well-known Barrie politician, asked her to perform oral sex on him.

The other, a university student who worked in his office when Brown was a federal Conservative MP, alleges Brown sexually assaulted her following an event she helped organize.

Both incidents are alleged to have happened inside Brown’s home in Barrie, Ont., after the women had been drinking in his presence.

Brown, a well-reported teetotaler, was not drinking alcohol at the time of the alleged incidents, both women told CTV News.

CTV News has agreed to protect the identities of the women who have come forward.

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The whole thing stinks and should be thrown out, especially after 18 years of remaining silent. Anyone who comes forth making a serious allegation about a person should be made to divulge their identity. Talk about sniping!

 

[OpposingDigit]

I can never forgive the Conservatives for closing down hospitals and firing public employees involved with health care even though they knew full well that 5 million Canadians would be reaching old age within 15 years and be dependent upon such services.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I can never forgive the Conservatives for closing down hospitals and firing public employees involved with health care even though they knew full well that 5 million Canadians would be reaching old age within 15 years and be dependent upon such services.

S'okay. The liberals have a plan to turn us old guys into crackers.

 

[Cliffy]

I can never forgive the Conservatives for closing down hospitals and firing public employees involved with health care even though they knew full well that 5 million Canadians would be reaching old age within 15 years and be dependent upon such services.

Our opinions of liberals and conservatives is inconsequential. They do not work for us, they work for their corporate sponsors. They is why they figure they can do whatever they please because you don't matter. They are hired to distract you from what is really going on... and that is the undisturbed rape and pillage of the planet.

 

[JLM]

Our opinions of liberals and conservatives is inconsequential. They do not work for us, they work for their corporate sponsors. They is why they figure they can do whatever they please because you don't matter. They are hired to distract you from what is really going on... and that is the undisturbed rape and pillage of the planet.

Yeah, I suppose you might be right...................in very extreme cases, but lining their own pockets takes precedence over raping and pillaging!

 

[Mowich]

All these allegations are beginning to bore me. I could probably go back oh, 15 or 20 years and I'm sure there's someone that I could accuse of something. But quite frankly, I'd rather put it behind me and let it go.


These women are absolutely astonishing in their attacks and I don't envy men right now. I'm wondering how many are searching their minds for activities they did (like stealing a kiss, or slapping a bum) and who might come after them.


This whole "metoo" situation puts those who have been raped and physically harmed in the same category as those who are accusing these men for minor missteps and it drives me bananas as true victims don't deserve all this B.S. How selfish we have become (we meaning women).


And, what has happened to innocent until proven guilty? Many of these men have said they aren't guilty and as a lawyer I heard on the radio state, these men who say they are innocent need to have the balls to stand up to those women if they are being wrongly accused instead of going and hiding. No man is safe, that's for sure and we've become a society of judges without due process. It is extremely worrisome for sure!! And, if this is the way women want to actually gain a better footing in society, I don't want anything to do with it.


And those so-called "power" women like Oprah, Mariel Streep et el should be ashamed of themselves for not saying anything for 10, 20 or more years. How many victims could they have prevented and didn't.


Anyhoo, that's my opinion.


DIx

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Where was this "victim" 20 and 6 years ago? Why wouldn't they have complained then?


Cam you tell me exactly where you were and what exactly you were doing 20 years ago - specifically on oh, lets say August 9, 1998? What specifically were you doing that day?


That's what I'm objecting to - all this coming up NOW. If this would have happened last year or 6 months or 6 weeks ago that's one thing. But who of us here on CC can say that we haven't one way or the other been disrespectful or did something really stupid when we were younger and have regrets now?


Weinstein (or whatever his name is) showed CONSISTENT behavior for years and years and years and NOW people are coming forward? Where the hell were they when his "activities" were first discovered? He should be in jail with the key thrown away because he's a serial sexual deviant (for lack of a better word). Anyone who does what he did should face prosecution.


However, stupidity of actions taken 10, 20 and 30 years ago should not be included with those of the Weinstein ilk. Both men and women need to take responsibility for their actions but it seems to me that it's a one-way street and that's all I'm saying and it's simply not fair. When a woman says that a man sexually assaulted her in his bedroom, what the hell was she doing in his bedroom to begin with? Again, it's all on him.


Pamela Anderson was absolutely scourged because she said when a man wants to do an interview at his apartment and he opened the door in a housecoat, run the other way and she's absolutely right. Any man that does that should be tarred and feathered but women have some responsibility as well - by simply not putting themselves into the situation to begin with.


Having said that of course there's exceptions and of course sexual assault should be reported and the victim believed. I'm just saying that some of this is going too far and it takes away from the real victims who have suffered and continue to suffer from the repercussions.


So Mentalflosse, if that means as a "con bot" that I am blaming the victim, in some circumstances, I do. Many, many of these situations could have been avoided by the women. Does that absolve the men? Absolutely not - men like that are morons but women must take some responsibility and it seems to me they have none and that's not right.


JMHO


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[JamesBondo]

this is not breaking news anymore. somebody change the thread title.