BREAKING: Ontario PC Leader Slammed With Sexual Misconduct Allegations

[JLM]

I can never forgive the Conservatives for closing down hospitals and firing public employees involved with health care even though they knew full well that 5 million Canadians would be reaching old age within 15 years and be dependent upon such services.

There's instances where it's justified, especially considering the cost of modern technical equipment, like in a small area where there are several small hospitals when one large hospital c/w all the necessary equipment can serve the population better.

 

[WLDB]

If he was a private citizen these false allegations would never have been made. The timing on this one just does not pass the smell test.

Probably true, but that’s public life for you. He played and lost. By the looks of things so far the PCs will be fine.

The whole thing stinks and should be thrown out, especially after 18 years of remaining silent. Anyone who comes forth making a serious allegation about a person should be made to divulge their identity. Talk about sniping!

Nothing to throw it out of. It’s not in court. It’s in public opinion which has different rules - no rules really. It’s always been that way.

 

[Hoid]

it isn't the public who threw the guy out its the conservative caucus. Unanimously.

 

[Curious Cdn]

it isn't the public who threw the guy out its the conservative caucus. Unanimously.

They're all happy as clams because Patrick Brown was the flimsy part of their election bid. That's not to say that they will choose someone more electable. The Provincial PCs suffer from the same split personality that the Federsl Conservatives do, now. The very Right of the party is inordinately too powerful and they think that the world needs another Mike Harris when actually, the electorate wants another Bill Davis.

The Fed party was similarly hijacked by the Reform Party but they have spent their currency with the electorate and are probably no longer electable unless they let the Eastern (majority) moderates of their supporters back into the party. Alberta believes itself to be bigger than it is.

 

[mentalfloss]

Remember when Roy Moore lost and this place was a ghost town for 12 hrs?

I wonder if the same thing will happen if the PCs lose in Ontario and Alberta.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Remember when Roy Moore lost and this place was a ghost town for 12 hrs?

I wonder if the same thing will happen if the PCs lose in Ontario and Alberta.

We're not looking forward to having an NDP government here in Ontario. Wynne is barely more popular than Trump, so that's what will happen if you get your wish.

 

[JLM]

Where was this "victim" 20 and 6 years ago? Why wouldn't they have complained then?


Cam you tell me exactly where you were and what exactly you were doing 20 years ago - specifically on oh, lets say August 9, 1998? What specifically were you doing that day?


That's what I'm objecting to - all this coming up NOW. If this would have happened last year or 6 months or 6 weeks ago that's one thing. But who of us here on CC can say that we haven't one way or the other been disrespectful or did something really stupid when we were younger and have regrets now?


Weinstein (or whatever his name is) showed CONSISTENT behavior for years and years and years and NOW people are coming forward? Where the hell were they when his "activities" were first discovered? He should be in jail with the key thrown away because he's a serial sexual deviant (for lack of a better word). Anyone who does what he did should face prosecution.


However, stupidity of actions taken 10, 20 and 30 years ago should not be included with those of the Weinstein ilk. Both men and women need to take responsibility for their actions but it seems to me that it's a one-way street and that's all I'm saying and it's simply not fair. When a woman says that a man sexually assaulted her in his bedroom, what the hell was she doing in his bedroom to begin with? Again, it's all on him.


Pamela Anderson was absolutely scourged because she said when a man wants to do an interview at his apartment and he opened the door in a housecoat, run the other way and she's absolutely right. Any man that does that should be tarred and feathered but women have some responsibility as well - by simply not putting themselves into the situation to begin with.


Having said that of course there's exceptions and of course sexual assault should be reported and the victim believed. I'm just saying that some of this is going too far and it takes away from the real victims who have suffered and continue to suffer from the repercussions.


So Mentalflosse, if that means as a "con bot" that I am blaming the victim, in some circumstances, I do. Many, many of these situations could have been avoided by the women. Does that absolve the men? Absolutely not - men like that are morons but women must take some responsibility and it seems to me they have none and that's not right.


JMHO


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I think after 20 years some of these women are under the delusion they can smell money. I'm sure that's what Ghomeshi's accusers were mainly after and by saying that I'm not under any delusion that he was any Choir boy either.

Remember when Roy Moore lost and this place was a ghost town for 12 hrs?

I wonder if the same thing will happen if the PCs lose in Ontario and Alberta.

That was another guy who was possibly railroaded!

 

[White_Unifier]

I've read a little about Ghomeshi's case. It wasn't about the money but making him en example for other men. The judge ruled in Ghomeshi's favour not just due to lack of proof beyond reasonable doubt (which is usually the case), but because the women contradicted themselves on many points. Their stories didn't make sense.

 

[JLM]

I've read a little about Ghomeshi's case. It wasn't about the money but making him en example for other men. The judge ruled in Ghomeshi's favour not just due to lack of proof beyond reasonable doubt (which is usually the case), but because the women contradicted themselves on many points. Their stories didn't make sense.

Yep, the witnesses were pathetic and I doubt if the prosecutor has a brain in his head.

 

[Cliffy]

When I look at politics, I think my friend was right. Women should run the world: politics and business, and men should be nothing more than transient breeding stock.

 

[Danbones]

Right, so how do manhaters like wynne fit into your little picture doood?
There is such a thing as artificial sperm banks and gmo and cloning in the real world.

You might as well do THEM a favor, and just shoot yourself and your male offspring now

Yep, the witnesses were pathetic and I doubt if the prosecutor has a brain in his head.

So, Witch hunts are the way of the future are they?


Not sure if you have noticed the politicizing and or blatant sexism of the judiciary or not...

Judge under fire for 'unacceptable' comments on appearance of teen victim in sex-assault case

Quebec's Justice Minister has asked the province's judicial council to investigate a judge who commented on the physical appearance of a teenage sexual-assault victim and suggested she was flattered by the attention.

Justice Jean-Paul Braun of Quebec Court was presiding over the trial of a taxi driver last May when he made the comments.

"She's a young girl, 17. Maybe she's a little overweight but she has a pretty face, no?" the judge said in recordings first unearthed by the Journal de Montréal.

Speaking French, the judge went on to describe the young woman as a "fleur bleue" (sentimental or romantic.) "She was a bit flattered," the judge continued. "Maybe it was the first time he showed interest in her."

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...ents-during-sex-assault-case/article36714544/

for example

Appeal court overturns sexual assault acquittal, finds judge relied on myths and stereotypes

In a 2-1 decision filed Wednesday, the appeal judges found that Court of Queen’s Bench Justice Terry Clackson had erred while coming to his decision by relying on an “impermissible stereotype, or myth” about the way a sexual assault victim ought to act.

Two members of the appeal court panel, Justice Marina Paperny and Justice Frederica Schutz, found that the expectation of behavioural changes in a victim of sexual assault is a stereotype, and relying on that stereotype to make a determination about reasonable doubt is an error in law
http://edmontonjournal.com/news/cri...l-finds-judge-relied-on-myths-and-stereotypes

For another...It looks like a couple of lady judges wacked HIS wienie.

"Myths and stereotypes" eh?
Must have been his only sexual related case, good thing they found out about his attitude and removed the misogynist from his position before he did any real damage at his job.

Oh, he is still a judge?...Ooooops,

Welcome to cliffy court

 

[Curious Cdn]

I've read a little about Ghomeshi's case. It wasn't about the money but making him en example for other men. The judge ruled in Ghomeshi's favour not just due to lack of proof beyond reasonable doubt (which is usually the case), but because the women contradicted themselves on many points. Their stories didn't make sense.

One of the really dark aspects of that case is that the women who testified against him and brought the charges in the first place were eviscerated, destroyed by the very clever defence lawyer. They ended up on trial and they were publicly disgraced. The message that came out of it was "Don't bother pressing charges. It isn't worth it" and I've noticed that with this current wave of action against sexual aggressors, the victims are launching civil suits. That way, the complainant is not put on trial.

 

[JLM]

When I look at politics, I think my friend was right. Women should run the world: politics and business, and men should be nothing more than transient breeding stock.

Careful Cliff, the worst thing that can happen is going from one extreme to the other. I think we should just quit all the histrionics and pay each person according to the job they are doing regardless of gender race or creed or sexual orientation for that matter and then no one has anything to bitch about! (No doubt Putz will object)

 

[Twin_Moose]

CTV News anchor Paul Bliss suspended following sexual misconduct allegations

Paul Bliss, an award-winning CTV reporter and anchor, has been suspended pending an investigation into sexual misconduct allegations more than a decade ago by a former employee.
CTV News announced the move on its Friday evening broadcast.
“Allegations have been made against a CTV news reporter. We take this very seriously and as a result have suspended Paul Bliss until an investigation is complete,” said Bell Media spokesperson Scott Henderson in a statement to the Star.
Henderson confirmed that the allegations were made by former journalist Bridget Brown, who left CTV in 2015. Brown shared her experience in a Medium blog post on Friday, a decision she made after seeing Bliss’s Tweets and broadcast coverage of the allegations against unseated PC leader Patrick Brown.
Brown said she received a call from the human resources department at CTV just hours after publishing her story.

 

[White_Unifier]

One of the really dark aspects of that case is that the women who testified against him and brought the charges in the first place were eviscerated, destroyed by the very clever defence lawyer. They ended up on trial and they were publicly disgraced. The message that came out of it was "Don't bother pressing charges. It isn't worth it" and I've noticed that with this current wave of action against sexual aggressors, the victims are launching civil suits. That way, the complainant is not put on trial.

To be fair though, even when the complainant is telling the truth and the defendant did rape the complainant, proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt is very difficult since it's usually one's word against the other's. Even a rape-kit test will usually prove nothing more than a sexual act occurred (unless the rape was sufficiently physically violent) and won't reveal who might have been a willing participant in the act.

With that, I accept that an acquittal in itself does not prove the defendant's innocence on a balance of probabilities none the less. But Ghomeshi's case was a whole different ball game with the complainants contradicting themselves at every turn.

 

[Curious Cdn]

To be fair though, even when the complainant is telling the truth and the defendant did rape the complainant, proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt is very difficult since it's usually one's word against the other's. Even a rape-kit test will usually prove nothing more than a sexual act occurred (unless the rape was sufficiently physically violent) and won't reveal who might have been a willing participant in the act.

With that, I accept that an acquittal in itself does not prove the defendant's innocence on a balance of probabilities none the less. But Ghomeshi's case was a whole different ball game with the complainants contradicting themselves at every turn.

To be fair, the complainants were put on trial, made to look like fools and a mediocre Crown Prosecution caved. The complainants were found guilty, those lying bitches.

By the way, what ever happened to Gian? He's innocent, you know just like OJ.

 

[Hoid]

part of the enabling of sex predators is the revealing of personal details in the press.

that is one of their main tools.

so if I don't hear every detail of every case thats ok with me.

I would prefer that the cases were held behind closed doors and that the victims were allowed to testify without having the entire world listening in.

That only sets up a natural barrier that helps the predators, and they are getting enough help already.

 

[Curious Cdn]

part of the enabling of sex predators is the revealing of personal details in the press.

that is one of their main tools.

so if I don't hear every detail of every case thats ok with me.

I would prefer that the cases were held behind closed doors and that the victims were allowed to testify without having the entire world listening in.

That only sets up a natural barrier that helps the predators, and they are getting enough help already.

If you ever get into trouble, hire the best defence lawyer that you can. It's your very best chance for innocence.

 

[White_Unifier]

To be fair, the complainants were put on trial, made to look like fools and a mediocre Crown Prosecution caved. The complainants were found guilty, those lying bitches.

By the way, what ever happened to Gian? He's innocent, you know just like OJ.

I don't know if Ghomeshi was innocent or not. But he was acquitted and I accept that. What is clear is that even if he were guilty of something, at least some of the women (and maybe all of them) definitely lied.

In fact, the difficulty inherent in proving rape beyond reasonable doubt actually makes it an even more powerful weapon in the hands of a false accuser simply because, as long as the false accuser presents a plausible story, even if the defendant is acquitted, the general public will continue to question whether he could still have been guilty based on the knowledge of how difficult rape is to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

that thus makes a false accusation of rape particularly destructive of a person's public reputation even if he's acquitted.

If you ever get into trouble, hire the best defence lawyer that you can. It's your very best chance for innocence.

Better yet, don't stick your dick in any strange vagina!

 

[Curious Cdn]

I don't know if Ghomeshi was innocent or not. But he was acquitted and I accept that. What is clear is that even if he were guilty of something, at least some of the women (and maybe all of them) definitely lied.

In fact, the difficulty inherent in proving rape beyond reasonable doubt actually makes it an even more powerful weapon in the hands of a false accuser simply because, as long as the false accuser presents a plausible story, even if the defendant is acquitted, the general public will continue to question whether he could still have been guilty based on the knowledge of how difficult rape is to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

that thus makes a false accusation of rape particularly destructive of a person's public reputation even if he's acquitted.



Better yet, don't stick your dick in any strange vagina!

Some of them are stranger than others, believe me!