Trump to plunge Middle East into 'fire with no end' with Jerusalem speech

Angstrom

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Why ?? because Trump said so? News flash: people have minds f their own.(ya know: ind pendant thinking )....... and are not going to be dictated to ..and particularity NOT by a sociopath like Trump.



You have been misled Ocean

He even payed off a persons mortgage after he helped him change a tire on Trumps broken down limo.

The only sociopath right now is you Breeze.
 

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Indeed.

How can a third party have the right to determine what place is the capital of a certain country to begin with??

Such an agreement must come from the parties involved. If they can't or wont........ let them duke it out.(without outside interference from anyone).......Perhaps they should realize WHAT is the underling cause of all this resentment........ and deal with that first. Trump owns this now........ and has created even more rage at the US. He operated with the antagonistic MO..........irregardless of the consequences. As long as religious beliefs and prejudices factor in.......it will remain a hot bed. ...... Both parties are extremely manipulative and getting caught in the middle is foolhardy The problem is that the BELIEFS are so entrenched now........ and have such a long history......... that peaceful coexistence might not be possible. .


YOU have a great day too ;-)
Irregardless is not a word . Double negative .
 

Danbones

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Funny, the reality is Trump just didn't duck the same duck the last presidents have ducked ever since the initial vote
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several terms ago.

I have never seen so many people who have so few facts straight as the antiTRUMPING globalistnaziecommis!

Now the CRIMINAL DEMOCRATIC "anti discrimination SLAVERY" party has just gone over the hill ANTISEMITIC as well.
It just blows the mind

Apparently Palestine just declared Dallas the capital of Mexico.

Don't know the difference between 'recognize' and "declare", eh?
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Boy are you EVER DUMB
 

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You have been misled Ocean

He even payed off a persons mortgage after he helped him change a tire on Trumps broken down limo.


Maybe not- there appears to be incidents of the Donald's fibbing - maybe warrants further checking into. :) :)
P.S. or his supporters' fibbing!
 

Danbones

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snopes has been caught fibbing


'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)

'Fact-checking' website Snopes is asking its users for help in a GoFundMe saying an 'outside vendor' is 'holding it hostage'

But the site which claims to be 'transparent' and to tell people the facts they need to know hasn't told those donating everything that is going on

In fact it is at the center of a bitter legal battle with its CEO being accused of fraud, lies, conspiracy and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses

David Mikkelson set up company which owns Snopes.com in 2003 with then wife Barbara but she sold her 50 per cent stake during bitter divorce

Owners of company which provided it with tech and advertising services bought her stake but have now fallen out with Mikkelson and call him a fraudster

Case could see judge order site closed - despite it being chosen by Facebook to arbitrate on fake news

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730092/Snopes-brink-founder-accused-fraud-lying.html

Do You Trust Snopes? You Won’t After Reading This.

The recent series of events below demonstrates how Snopes has been influenced by Monsanto into manipulating the public opinion about the dangers of their bestselling product, Roundup weedkiller (aka glyphosate).

https://foodbabe.com/2017/02/24/do-...ading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/
 
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Ocean Breeze

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snopes has been caught fibbing


'Fact checking' website Snopes on verge of collapse after founder is accused of fraud, lies, and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses (and it hasn't told its readers THOSE facts)

'Fact-checking' website Snopes is asking its users for help in a GoFundMe saying an 'outside vendor' is 'holding it hostage'

But the site which claims to be 'transparent' and to tell people the facts they need to know hasn't told those donating everything that is going on

In fact it is at the center of a bitter legal battle with its CEO being accused of fraud, lies, conspiracy and putting prostitutes and his honeymoon on expenses

David Mikkelson set up company which owns Snopes.com in 2003 with then wife Barbara but she sold her 50 per cent stake during bitter divorce

Owners of company which provided it with tech and advertising services bought her stake but have now fallen out with Mikkelson and call him a fraudster

Case could see judge order site closed - despite it being chosen by Facebook to arbitrate on fake news

Snopes on brink as founder accused of fraud and lying | Daily Mail Online

Do You Trust Snopes? You Won’t After Reading This.

The recent series of events below demonstrates how Snopes has been influenced by Monsanto into manipulating the public opinion about the dangers of their bestselling product, Roundup weedkiller (aka glyphosate).

https://foodbabe.com/2017/02/24/do-...ading-how-they-work-with-monsanto-operatives/
Very interesting. Some folks "swear" by the site. (as a fact based reference)


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IF the US wants to recognize Jerusalem as the Israeli capital.......... does that mean all other nations have to as well??
 

Walter

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Canada recognizes Ottawa as its capital. All other countries recognize Ottawa as the capital of Canada. Israel recognizes Jerusalem as its capital. All other countries should recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Canada recognizes Ottawa as its capital. All other countries recognize Ottawa as the capital of Canada. Israel recognizes Jerusalem as its capital. All other countries should recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
So Why does the US have to even involve itself??. If Israel wants Jerusalem as ITS Capital ....... that is Israeli's issue.

What if the US decided that Regina was Canada's capital and decided to move its embassy to Regina? Would that be acceptable?

Seems that the point is the US bias towards Israel. and if the US wants to play fair........it has to be neutral. Taking sides is never smart....... IF one is trying to broker peace between two parties. The US / Israeli relationship has created much angst and divisiveness.
 

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So Why does the US have to even involve itself??. If Israel wants Jerusalem as ITS Capital ....... that is Israeli's issue.

What if the US decided that Regina was Canada's capital and decided to move its embassy to Regina? Would that be acceptable?

Seems that the point is the US bias towards Israel. and if the US wants to play fair........it has to be neutral. Taking sides is never smart....... IF one is trying to broker peace between two parties. The US / Israeli relationship has created much angst and divisiveness.

 

Walter

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So Why does the US have to even involve itself??. If Israel wants Jerusalem as ITS Capital ....... that is Israeli's issue.

What if the US decided that Regina was Canada's capital and decided to move its embassy to Regina? Would that be acceptable?

Seems that the point is the US bias towards Israel. and if the US wants to play fair........it has to be neutral. Taking sides is never smart....... IF one is trying to broker peace between two parties. The US / Israeli relationship has created much angst and divisiveness.
The US is recognizing the capital that Israel recognizes. Canada does not recognize Regina as its capital.
 

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So Why does the US have to even involve itself??. If Israel wants Jerusalem as ITS Capital ....... that is Israeli's issue.

What if the US decided that Regina was Canada's capital and decided to move its embassy to Regina? Would that be acceptable?

Seems that the point is the US bias towards Israel. and if the US wants to play fair........it has to be neutral. Taking sides is never smart....... IF one is trying to broker peace between two parties. The US / Israeli relationship has created much angst and divisiveness.

There is no bias toward Israel.

The US did not decide that Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel. As far as that goes, Israel declared Jerusalem as their capital in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Law

What does it change? It means that the US is going to eventually move operations from one city to another. That's all. There is a property leased to the US by Israel in Jerusalem already.

But if that's it, what's the big deal?

Objections come from the Arab world - primarily, the Palestinians who live in Israel, and in Jerusalem specifically. The Palestinians say that by doing this, their hopes for a home state have been set back.

Muslims in the ME point out that the Al-Aqsa Mosque is there and Jews cannot control the area. Al-Aqsa is the third most holy mosque in existence.

What it boils down to, in my view, is whether or not the Palestinians, or Muslims generally, will use the US announcement as an excuse to continue the destruction and killing. Does that sound prejudicial? I want you to consider that the fighting between Muslims, Jews and others has been happening in the region for at least 1500 years. Having the US re-recognize Jerusalem won't change the status quo. It seems that the area exists as an arena to fight and kill each other.

Trump's announcement changes nothing. The Arabs have never cared what the US has said. They will continue yelling "Death to the USA!" regardless of what the US says or does. I cannot think of anything that the States could do there that would change things. In any event, America is a Johnny-come-lately to the region, and has long been distrusted. The announcement won't affect how Arabs feel about them.

In my opinion, this announcement will be used by the Arab world as another excuse to keep killing - as if they needed a reason. Violence there will continue unchecked.

The US did not make it worse. It's been that way for thousands of years.
 
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14 of 15 UN security council members denounce the US "recognition" of Jerusalem - Australia abstains.

Once again President Shit fer Brains drops the ball.
 

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That presumes the world cares what the UN thinks. Countries rarely do. They only turn to the UN when it's convenient.

I would also point out that the UN is protesting words. A statement. Trump's affirmation of Israel's 1980 Jerusalem Law and the US Congress 1995 declaration.

Israel will do what it wants, regardless of what members of the UN say.
 
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