Manafort, Gates charged with conspiracy against US

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The Dems must be wary now that the truth is about to come out despite the MSM's efforts to tar Trump! Hopefully, this will bite them and the Clintons in the a$$.


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The Dems must be wary now that the truth is about to come out despite the MSM's efforts to tar Trump! Hopefully, this will bite them and the Clintons in the a$$.


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Yup. Benghazi is bigger that WWII, bigger than the Big Bang!

Why worry about Trump's treasons when there's Benghazi?

p.s. Hillary is gone. This investigation is about a sitting President, not an "also ran". How people keep getting suckered in to that sideshow is beyond me. I suppose that a certain portion of the population is naturally predisposed to buying into lies, all of the time.
 

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More than half of the Facebook's users in the United States were exposed to Russian attempts to sow discord before and after the 2016 presidential election, a company executive will tell lawmakers Tuesday, while arguing that the reach of the campaign was still limited given the platform's massive scale. Google and Twitter will also disclose that the Russian influence campaign stretched beyond what they've previously discussed publicly.

https://www.axios.com/facebook-russ...-u-s-users-2503945904.html?utm_source=sidebar


clever of Russia.....they know which medium to use to reach the most Americans. To many tupophelses the traditional media is "fake news" and social media is the "real news ;-)

seems that things have gotten very twisted in the good ol' USA.

POTUS c an lie through his teeth and they believe him yet call FACTS.........fake facts

All this makes them very vulnerable to disinformation ..and being manipulated.
So now you know why the left likes social media so much.



https://www.justice.gov/file/1007271/download

And who was president during this time? Oh right the great Obummer.See the link?
 

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Could be a fun time for political junkies, Cap.

The Dems (or powers that are pushing to implicate Trump with Russia) will be opening up a real big can of worms on this.

It's no secret that the Clinton Foundation was basically selling access to the Fed gvt for a donation.

In the event that the investigation takes flight, it would be almost impossible to contain the analysis to just 1 or 2 individuals.... Ultimately, everyone would be reviewed and I believe that it would have far more significant ramifications for the (former) Obama admin and the Clintons.

.... Guess that this would qualify as a careful what you wish for situation
 

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SO lying to the FBI is a crime? Never heard of being under oath when talking to a cop.

The thing is there is nothing wrong or illegal about being a lobbyist for Russia or anyone else. That is perfectly ok. But you want to claim that income on your taxes for obvious reasons. And federal authorities question you about possible Russian influence on the election you don't withhold it.

That makes you a criminal. Not being the lobbyist - but hiding it

Not meeting the russians for dirt on Hillary - but lying about it.
 
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In the event that Trump employed a professional accounting firm that provided him with the advice that is now the subject of investigation, Trump may well have the opportunity to place the blame on the service provider and remove himself (somewhat) from being the direct target
 

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Almost immediately after Hillary Clinton campaign emails were hacked, Russians turned to Donald Trump —and not his Republican opponents — to try to use the documents against her.


Russians shopped Clinton emails to Trump, not Cruz, Kasich | McClatchy Washington Bureau

The timeline of all this is getting clearer.
Putin's no fool. He got good value for his money.

The Dems must be wary now that the truth is about to come out despite the MSM's efforts to tar Trump! Hopefully, this will bite them and the Clintons in the a$$.


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Hmm. . . apparently, the Special Counsel is now the "MSM."

SO lying to the FBI is a crime? Never heard of being under oath when talking to a cop.
Um. . . yes, it is. Always has been.

If you don't even know that, you should probably stay out of this conversation and spare yourself the embarrassment.

The thing is there is nothing wrong or illegal about being a lobbyist for Russia or anyone else. That is perfectly ok. But you want to claim that income on your taxes for obvious reasons. And federal authorities question you about possible Russian influence on the election you don't withhold the it.

That makes you a criminal. Not being the lobbyist - but hiding it

Not meeting the russians for dirt on Hillary - but lying about it.
Acksherly, that last one is a crime.

In the event that Trump employed a professional accounting firm that provided him with the advice that is now the subject of investigation, Trump may well have the opportunity to place the blame on the service provider and remove himself (somewhat) from being the direct target
The Manafort thing is pretty much a side issue. Of the various charges against him, the only one that has any particular relevance to Trump is failing to register as a foreign agent, a violation of a law that has been prosecuted all of six times in the last half century, producing one conviction.

Pretty thin gruel. This gun ain't smoking, it's chewing bubblegum.

The Papadopoulos situation may produce something relevant and damaging, but hasn't yet.
 

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The Manafort thing is pretty much a side issue. Of the various charges against him, the only one that has any particular relevance to Trump is failing to register as a foreign agent, a violation of a law that has been prosecuted all of six times in the last half century, producing one conviction.

Pretty thin gruel. This gun ain't smoking, it's chewing bubblegum.

The Papadopoulos situation may produce something relevant and damaging, but hasn't yet.

I will preface this by stating that in the event that Trump (or anyone) is offside on things, then that will be the path they must take and face any consequences attached be that as neglecting to register, tax evasion or anything else.

That said, we currently live in a culture that seeks to develop as many political witch hunts as possible for basically marketing reasons.

Up here, we have the Finance Minister embroiled in a scandal involving some European property and organized in a manner that may (or may not) represent some conflicts of interest... From my perspective, it's small beer and nothing other than a political lynching in order to posture for some attack ads the next election. In either case, and assuming that these actions are not deemed tax evasion, do the analysis and deliver the findings and if there is a penalty assessable, Trump or Morneau pay the piper and move on ~ no different than any other citizen (many each year for that matter).

In the end, the amount of energy and resources that are expended on these files is nothing more than a waste of time and money
 

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In the end, the amount of energy and resources that are expended on these files is nothing more than a waste of time and money
There is an upside. The rich and powerful need to be held to account for their misdeeds. It will inevitably be expensive, because they have the means and motive to dance a pretty fancy fandango. But it's essential to society that they be brought to account.

Just wish they did it more often without political targetting.
 

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He got a massive benefit. The sanctions are not significant. Putin has effectively sidelined the U.S. for four years.

I'd say that the damage is much deeper than that. This is what cyber warfare really looks like. The democracies are particularly weak and vulnerable because we have some freedom of speech. That used to be our strength. It is our weakness, now that every lame-brain has a say and fresh lies are introduced into the discourse on a daily basis "from nowhere" by those who are out only for themselves.