Don't count your chickens before they hatch!
Did you watch the documentary of Trump on C.B.C. T.V. a week ago? G.W. Bush is a bad example for picking a worst President. Buchanan, Harding, Nixon, Grant were all worse than Bush! Trump’s Remarks on Charlottesville Violence Are Criticized as Insufficient
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Don't count your chickens before they hatch!
Did you watch the documentary of Trump on C.B.C. T.V. a week ago? G.W. Bush is a bad example for picking a worst President. Buchanan, Harding, Nixon, Grant were all worse than Bush! 
Really - how many wars did each of them start. And how many preside over a collapse of the US financial market. Sometimes a president who does nothing, like Bill Clinton is better than one who is too active. BTW I did watch the documentary. It doesn't give me any faith that Trump will succeed in any of his goals, which is probably a good thing.Don't count your chickens before they hatch!
Starting wars would be one criteria out of dozens or more needed to rate a president. How many started a depression?
Mostly people hated Obummer because he represented everything that is wrong with politics in the US.
The only thing obvious here is that you are an idiot.
Exactly what did Trump say that makes you accuse him of racism?
He condemned the fanatics on both sides, which was absolutely correct.
He condemned lawlessness and vandalism, which is absolutely correct.
He bemoaned the left's desire to eliminate history in the public view, also correct. The left needs to learn that 1984 was not an instruction manual. As for tearing down statues, who is acting like the Taliban now?
The problem is not those espousing left wing views, or those expressing right wing views. The problem is political violence.
And ever since Trump's election, the great majority of political violence has been instigated by the left.
The true racist is actually the race baiters like jesse jackson , al sharpton ............and you!
and Cliffy and others..............
You're abject denial to condemn racism means you are complicit in it, plain and simple.
This is truly a losing battle for you guys.
Trump is a leftard (and so are you) so none of what you said even makes any sense.
This is truly a losing battle for you guys.
Trump is a leftard (and so are you) so none of what you said even makes any sense.
Read this and thought id share...
Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
The left-wing "Antifa" movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.
"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were," Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. "It's a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."
Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.
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Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."
"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
The violence in Charlottesville ended Saturday when an alleged white supremacist drove a car into a crowd of anti-racism activists, not all of whom were Antifa activists, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring more than a dozen others. The driver has been charged with murder.
On Tuesday, Trump shocked viewers of a press conference, including prominent members of his own party, by saying "both sides" deserved blame for the violence. Critics said the president should single out white supremacists for scorn.
"There was a group on this side, you can call them the Left, you've just called them the Left, that came violently attacking the other group," Trump said on Tuesday. "So, you can say what you want, but that's the way it is."
Where Antifa fits in a historical context of progressive activism is not yet clear, but some observers see the increasingly prominent movement — members of which were mass-arrested at Trump's inauguration after a march that featured window-smashing — as becoming an important, accepted part of the mainstream Left.
Mark Lance, professor of justice and peace at Georgetown University, said the Antifa movement's rise is a clear response to more open fascist organizing.
"I'm seeing more concrete productive discussion between anti-fascists and others on the Left these days than ever before in my life," Lance said.
"There is reason to think that it will become integrated into an emerging coalition that includes Sanders supporters, democratic socialists, dreamers, the Movement for Black Lives, environmentalists, [and] Native American organizers," he said.
Lance said Antifa actions "need not be violent confrontation, but most Antifa, in practice, are willing to physically resist fascist marches and defend themselves against fascist attack."
Reaching for American historical parallels for Antifa is difficult.
Lance said he doesn't see a close historical reference in leftist groups that formed in the 1960s like the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground, which conducted a bombing campaign aimed largely at damaging property. Both were primarily focused on government institutions, he said.
"There's some limited similarity to the Weather Underground," Chomsky said about the group that grew out of the anti-Vietnam War movement. He added, however, that "Weathermen differed not only in radically different context, but also in tactics, almost always against property, in intent at least."
By contrast, "Antifa purports to be defensive," he said.
Anti-fascism during the rise of Nazism in Germany is perhaps a better analogy for today's Antifa, said Chomsky, who expressed alarm at Trump's remarks. He clarified that in Germany, "left violence was hardly the problem."
Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
Noam Chomsky: Antifa is a 'major gift to the Right'
The left-wing "Antifa" movement is rising in prominence after clashing with white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., but one progressive scholar says the anti-fascists feed the fire they seek to extinguish.
"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were," Noam Chomsky told the Washington Examiner. "It's a major gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."
Many activists affiliated with the loosely organized Antifa movement consider themselves anarchists or socialists. They often wear black and take measures to conceal their identity.
Several dead after van plows into crowd in Barcelona's Las Ramblas district
Watch Full Screen
Chomsky said, "what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally self-destructive."
"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who win – and we know who that is," said Chomsky, a professor emeritus of linguistics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
The violence in Charlottesville ended Saturday when an alleged white supremacist drove a car into a crowd of anti-racism activists, not all of whom were Antifa activists, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring more than a dozen others. The driver has been charged with murder.
On Tuesday, Trump shocked viewers of a press conference, including prominent members of his own party, by saying "both sides" deserved blame for the violence. Critics said the president should single out white supremacists for scorn.
"There was a group on this side, you can call them the Left, you've just called them the Left, that came violently attacking the other group," Trump said on Tuesday. "So, you can say what you want, but that's the way it is."
Where Antifa fits in a historical context of progressive activism is not yet clear, but some observers see the increasingly prominent movement — members of which were mass-arrested at Trump's inauguration after a march that featured window-smashing — as becoming an important, accepted part of the mainstream Left.
Mark Lance, professor of justice and peace at Georgetown University, said the Antifa movement's rise is a clear response to more open fascist organizing.
"I'm seeing more concrete productive discussion between anti-fascists and others on the Left these days than ever before in my life," Lance said.
"There is reason to think that it will become integrated into an emerging coalition that includes Sanders supporters, democratic socialists, dreamers, the Movement for Black Lives, environmentalists, [and] Native American organizers," he said.
Lance said Antifa actions "need not be violent confrontation, but most Antifa, in practice, are willing to physically resist fascist marches and defend themselves against fascist attack."
Reaching for American historical parallels for Antifa is difficult.
Lance said he doesn't see a close historical reference in leftist groups that formed in the 1960s like the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground, which conducted a bombing campaign aimed largely at damaging property. Both were primarily focused on government institutions, he said.
"There's some limited similarity to the Weather Underground," Chomsky said about the group that grew out of the anti-Vietnam War movement. He added, however, that "Weathermen differed not only in radically different context, but also in tactics, almost always against property, in intent at least."
By contrast, "Antifa purports to be defensive," he said.
Anti-fascism during the rise of Nazism in Germany is perhaps a better analogy for today's Antifa, said Chomsky, who expressed alarm at Trump's remarks. He clarified that in Germany, "left violence was hardly the problem."
Donald Trump's approval rating lowest since taking office
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...8/17/trump-low-ratings-marist-poll/575856001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...8/17/trump-low-ratings-marist-poll/575856001/
No, it wasn't. As time has proven, it was a fantasy. And still is for some.
Sorry if we're denting your true history that black Americans and North American Indians were blessed to be cared for by their loving natural superiors.
Meanwhile, the grandsons of Stonewall Jackson seem to get it:
“The people who descended on Charlottesville last weekend were there to make a naked show of force for white supremacy,” William Jackson Christian and Warren Edmund Christian wrote in a letter published in Slate. “We are ashamed of the monument. . . . Confederate monuments like the Jackson statue were never intended as benign symbols. Rather, they were the clearly articulated artwork of white supremacy.”
Bingo! Even a person's children (or grandchildren, great grandchildren etc. down the line) can distinguish between their father's (or other ancestor's) qualities among family and friends and his qualities in the public sphere. However much we might admire a person's qualities among friends and family, he may exhibit different less desirable qualities in the public sphere that they can criticize independently of his positive traits. It's like a father who loves his children and raises them well but still hates blacks for example.
Hmmm... I could forgive him if he had inherited the slaves rather than bought them or released the slaves.
I could forgive him if he had committed treason for a noble cause.
Winning does not necessarily equate with right and losing does not necessarily equate with wrong.
But alas, though I don't know about his slaves, he committed treason for an ignoble cause and lost fighting for that cause. So I guess you're right.
Starting wars would be one criteria out of dozens or more needed to rate a president. How many started a depression?
I don't know. You left Hoover off your list.
I guess you weren't paying attention when he slandered Hispanics and Muslims during the election.
I think some of those Muslims need slandering and worse. Do you really think the ones who died in 9/11 were the last of a breed?
You really think Hoover started the Great Depression? I think it much more likely that he was just there.