Donald Trump announces 20 per cent tariff on Canadian softwood lumber

[Curious Cdn]

One thing is for sure, we need to respond to this attack and immediately counterveil with a tariff that is punishing to US interests. It is imperative that we do so swiftly to strengthen our bargaining position going into revamping NAFTA. It should a really bad idea to break out the white flag on the first shot or the Americans will end up eating your lunch. They subsidize their economy a thousand different ways. Choose a product that will sting. How about something like light industrial machinery? With our newly negotiated trade treaty with the EU, we can now bring in top quality machinery from Germany and Italy at par with American products. It is doubtful that the Americans can compete with European machines (I buy machinery, periodically and I look at everybody's) as they tend to be clunky and backwards. Anyway, Canadians buy $20 billion of industrial machinery from the US every year. The industrial heartland of America won't notice the softwood lumber fight but they might just notice that.

 

[Cannuck]

They are drivers of inflation and pricing themselves out of jobs.

You're being silly again.

 

[taxslave]

Sounds like you better rev that engine a bit. You're down a few pounds. Try asking your questions in a manner you can get the response you want. "My" mill would be the mill in the region in which I lived. I can see where communication might be confusing to you. Your mouth opens before your eyes do

No your mill would be the one you own. If you don't own one don't complain when those that do move to better economic climates.
Interestingly not all logs are eligible for export. I recently logged a private property that was not eligible for export. Forcing the land owner to accept lower prices for logs than Timber waste and island Timberlands get from their private land and some companies get from certain blocks of crown timber they log.

One thing is for sure, we need to respond to this attack and immediately counterveil with a tariff that is punishing to US interests. It is imperative that we do so swiftly to strengthen our bargaining position going into revamping NAFTA. It should a really bad idea to break out the white flag on the first shot or the Americans will end up eating your lunch. They subsidize their economy a thousand different ways. Choose a product that will sting. How about something like light industrial machinery? With our newly negotiated trade treaty with the EU, we can now bring in top quality machinery from Germany and Italy at par with American products. It is doubtful that the Americans can compete with European machines (I buy machinery, periodically and I look at everybody's) as they tend to be clunky and backwards. Anyway, Canadians buy $20 billion of industrial machinery from the US every year. The industrial heartland of America won't notice the softwood lumber fight but they might just notice that.

Consumers can do just that without involving government. That way we don't leave ourselves open to lawsuits or a trade war. Canada makes some good mining equipment and the best in the world comes from Sweden. Looking for an excavator? Buy Japanese or Korean instead of Cat. DOn't shop at walmart.

 

[lone wolf]

No your mill would be the one you own. If you don't own one don't complain when those that do move to better economic climates.
Interestingly not all logs are eligible for export. I recently logged a private property that was not eligible for export. Forcing the land owner to accept lower prices for logs than Timber waste and island Timberlands get from their private land and some companies get from certain blocks of crown timber they log.

Now, if you'd cease with being the as*hole I know you to be here and read what's on the page instead of what you want to troll into your tiny little mind, you might (I doubt it but one can hope) catch the basis of conversation. I spoke political action....

I'd propose yu-uu-ge duties on all semi or unprocessed product leaving the country. Process it here. Make employment here.

...not as a mill owner. That's your twist to suit the mail slot. No wonder you're a tax slave. You're too stupid to read the exemptions

 

[taxslave]

The Chinese want and need our lumber. They are growing, dynamic and going places. The US seems to be a spent power. Why trade with a has-been who strikes out at their immediate neighbours because of their own shortcomings?

But lefty's are terrified of China buying up all our resources.
Interesting thing about the whole lumber thing. Canadians piss and moan about exporting raw logs is exporting jobs but they are silent about all the wheat we export. We should have giant bakeries and export loves of bread instead. THink of all the jobs that would create. Or what about steel? We export iron ore and coal and there is little complaints. But try and build a steel mill which would employ thousands and the left is all up in arms about destroying the environment and how a mill will destroy their neighbourhood.

Now, if you'd cease with being the as*hole I know you to be here and read what's on the page instead of what you want to troll into your tiny little mind, you might (I doubt it but one can hope) catch the basis of conversation. I spoke political action.




- not as a mill owner. No wonder you're a tax slave. You're too stupid to read the exemptions

In your minfd you are probably brilliant. Too bad that thought is not shared by anyone.

 

[lone wolf]

Keep trolling goofy. It reflects well on yourself. If you were fishing, you'd drown starved

I'm not one of those people who really give a damn if I impress....

 

[pgs]

no no we won every lumber dispute since the eighties the answer lies in stopping all pipelines south
for every barrel of oi there should be a one twenty five percent tax on it and make deals with other
nations to sell product too Arrange a twenty percent decrease in electrical power on an on again off
again brown out basis
We should understand this is business and we should stand up diversify and find new customers and
we can do that trading with Asia. America is choosing not to maintain a friendly partnership and it is
time to take punitive measures of our own yes it will hurt in the short term but in the long run it will
demonstrate resolve. If America wants to isolate itself lets go after some of their customers in Asia
and other areas.
When they want our lumber oil and other products in the future when this is over we would now sell
only finished product at triple the price and we would demand payment in cash up front after all we
will have new customers to sell to.
we do not need to accept insults from a bombastic punk masquerading as the President of the United States

Where do you sell your apples ? Can I tell you who and for how much to sell them ?

The Chinese want and need our lumber. They are growing, dynamic and going places. The US seems to be a spent power. Why trade with a has-been who strikes out at their immediate neighbours because of their own shortcomings?

You are free to buy and sell as much lumber as you can get your hands on to the Chinese , what is stopping you ?

 

[captain morgan]

Where do you sell your apples ? Can I tell you who and for how much to sell them ?

The answer that you ought to expect from this question will likely involve a broad, subjective opinion on what is deemed essential products/services.

I fully expect that apples won't fall into that category

 

[EagleSmack]

One thing is for sure, we need to respond to this attack and immediately counterveil with a tariff that is punishing to US interests.

rofl

You are free to buy and sell as much lumber as you can get your hands on to the Chinese , what is stopping you ?

Aren't they cute?

 

[coldstream]

I await with breathless anticipation your explanation of how the U.S. has nationalized its oil. That is to say, I'm looking forward to the belly laugh as you either try some bullshit explanation of how U.S. oil somehow really is nationalized, deny that the U.S. is a major oil exporter, or simply run away.

America is NOT and Oil Exporting nation, as was clearly stated in my post, bones. It's goal in energy self sufficiency. It uses all the domestic oil its produces. Your rants would be more understandable if you actually read the posts the criticized.. and you wouldn't appear such a lunatic.

In fact unlike every other developed country, the U.S. has privatized all its energy resouces, its health care insurance, some of its transportation and communications infrastructure, is deregulating the currency and financial industry again.. and NONE of it works well. It is expensive, inefficient, and gouges consumers.

And its all protected under the NeoCon/NeoLib aegis of 'freedom' for corporations and banks, and the utterly fictional 'Invisible Hand of the Free Market;.. which only Americans are dumb enough to buy.

 

[selfsame]

Art of Negotiations

1. In order to win, you must operate from a position of authority and strength. Knock your opponent off his feet before you meet. An unsteady or confused negotiator is easier to manipulate. Get his temper up. Release misleading information. Demand more than you can expect. Conduct yourself like you are the one in complete charge.

No matter what the outcome, tell everyone that you got exactly what you wanted.

Damned you, so this is your wicked mind :laughing6:
Curse on every Wicked Zionist.

Why why? I know that you are mean, but this is your beloved Trump .. Trumpooty .. so even your friend is not safe from your wickedness.

 

[B00Mer]

Canada should cut off all lumber exports to the USA for 3 months..

When housing prices soar, construction job wither and the USA economy starts to tank... MAGA.. :lol:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

America is NOT and Oil Exporting nation, as was clearly stated in my post, bones. It's goal in energy self sufficiency. It uses all the domestic oil its produces. Your rants would be more understandable if you actually read the posts the criticized.. and you wouldn't appear such a lunatic.

In fact unlike every other developed country, the U.S. has privatized all its energy resouces, its health care insurance, some of its transportation and communications infrastructure, is deregulating the currency and financial industry again.. and NONE of it works well. It is expensive, inefficient, and gouges consumers.

And its all protected under the NeoCon/NeoLib aegis of 'freedom' for corporations and banks, and the utterly fictional 'Invisible Hand of the Free Market;.. which only Americans are dumb enough to buy.

U.S. Oil Exports Hit Record Levels

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/02/28/u-s-oil-exports-hit-record-levels/#521aa34b51a6


You poor, stupid chump.

 

[Cliffy]

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Is this part of the Zen/Native/Buddhist/New Age love you claim to practice, Chief Wa-Na-Be?

 

[EagleSmack]

Alt-Left Canadians are pretty salty over this eh?

 

[coldstream]

U.S. Oil Exports Hit Record Levels

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/02/28/u-s-oil-exports-hit-record-levels/#521aa34b51a6


You poor, stupid chump.

The U.S. has been a NET oil importer since the 1950s. As i said its goal is to come to some parity between the two. Again, bones, you prove you have NO clue what you are talking about. I don't know why i bother to respond as it just goes into that blender you call a brain and everything comes out an indiscrimate mess.


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=20812

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The U.S. has been a NET oil importer since the 1950s. As i said its goal is to come to some parity between the two. Again, bones, you prove you have NO clue what you are talking about. I don't know why i bother to respond as it just goes into that blender you call a brain and everything comes out an indiscrimate mess.


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=20812

So, is the U.S., or is it not, an exporter of oil?

 

[coldstream]

So, is the U.S., or is it not, an exporter of oil?

It is a net importer of oil.

 

[captain morgan]

The U.S. has been a NET oil importer since the 1950s. As i said its goal is to come to some parity between the two. Again, bones, you prove you have NO clue what you are talking about. I don't know why i bother to respond as it just goes into that blender you call a brain and everything comes out an indiscrimate mess.


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=20812

The fact that they import crude and upgrade it is not material to the bottom line here. The USA is a net exporter of oil derivatives to many nations, including Canada.

PS - There is only a handful of Western nations that maintain a nationalized oil industry and in most cases, they rely on outside investment in order to operate thereby undermining the very nature of your argument.