Donald Trump announces 20 per cent tariff on Canadian softwood lumber

[lone wolf]

So you don't own a mill and have no pony in the race but you expect others to operate mills in Canada even though it is not cost effective? Sound about right?

Sounds like you better rev that engine a bit. You're down a few pounds. Try asking your questions in a manner you can get the response you want. "My" mill would be the mill in the region in which I lived. I can see where communication might be confusing to you. Your mouth opens before your eyes do

 

[Vbeacher]

Sounds good. The odd part about this whole. . . debate. . . is that people seem to accept without question that the current arrangement is "fair," and that any change to the current arrangement is "unfair."

Well, this will be the sixth time they've tried this, and every other time it was presented to an international panel they've ruled against the Americans. I haven't heard anything substantial has changed since the last ruling.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Well, this will be the sixth time they've tried this, and every other time it was presented to an international panel they've ruled against the Americans. I haven't heard anything substantial has changed since the last ruling.

In that case, it'll probably go the same way.

But that's not what I was asking. I'd start from a position of no tariff. You got stuff, we wanna buy the stuff, y'all ship it on down and we pay for it. Simple.

Now, I'm willing to listen to arguments as to why we should charge y'all a tax to sell your stuff here, maybe something having to do with using our roads, our security structure, and whatnot. Not buying it off the bat, but I'm willing to listen to arguments.

Then, assuming somebody can convince me there's some valid reason we have to slap a tariff on your wood, we need to figure out what that tariff should be. Somewhere along the way, with a little luck, we get to "fair."

Then, and only then, can we start talking about whether raising or lowering the tariff is "unfair."

 

[Cannuck]

Oh dear!!! A twenty percent tariff!! Poor Americans. Can't say they weren't warned.

 

[B00Mer]

Oh dear!!! A twenty percent tariff!! Poor Americans. Can't say they weren't warned.

Job killer for them.. less construction and higher priced homes.. Making Amerikkka Great Again... LAMO

 

[selfsame]

Donald Trump announces 20 per cent tariff on Canadian softwood lumber

If his ship is sunken, will this avail him anything?

 

[Curious Cdn]

In that case, it'll probably go the same way.

But that's not what I was asking. I'd start from a position of no tariff. You got stuff, we wanna buy the stuff, y'all ship it on down and we pay for it. Simple.

Now, I'm willing to listen to arguments as to why we should charge y'all a tax to sell your stuff here, maybe something having to do with using our roads, our security structure, and whatnot. Not buying it off the bat, but I'm willing to listen to arguments.

Then, assuming somebody can convince me there's some valid reason we have to slap a tariff on your wood, we need to figure out what that tariff should be. Somewhere along the way, with a little luck, we get to "fair."

Then, and only then, can we start talking about whether raising or lowering the tariff is "unfair."

If the case of softwood lumber, you don't produce enough if the stuff to satisfy your national demand, nor are you able to. This is about a few jerkwater lobbies and Trump's desparate need to appear that he's making America great again by beating down those Canadians that we obviously stealing American jobs.

So, the 20% tariff will be passed on to US consumers, who may (or may not) pay the diference. Eventually, there will be a software lumber shortage in the US, which will only help the Canadian industry and make new house construction in the US more expensive. Perhaps, there will be more mill jobs for Workers in the American Northwest and a very few other pockets but if housing prices go up significantly, The US is likely hurt more than helped. Canadian workers will be hurt for the short term but they may very well win the war.


It's all about Trump and his need for a "soft" target to go after to boost his dodgy mojo.

 

[lone wolf]

Really, it's kind of ironic to see old pictures of a moonscape called Sudbury circa 1970. The trees weren't gone due to smelting operations or timber benting. Most of it went south to rebuild Chicago after their Great Fire. If Ontario had a direct route to Asia, I'd say lets put a preference on Asian markets and let Trumpiacs learn to use adobe

 

[EagleSmack]

Maga!

 

[lone wolf]

Did you spit any up on yourself?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

If the case of softwood lumber, you don't produce enough if the stuff to satisfy your national demand, nor are you able to. This is about a few jerkwater lobbies and Trump's desparate need to appear that he's making America great again by beating down those Canadians that we obviously stealing American jobs.

So, the 20% tariff will be passed on to US consumers, who may (or may not) pay the diference. Eventually, there will be a software lumber shortage in the US, which will only help the Canadian industry and make new house construction in the US more expensive. Perhaps, there will be more mill jobs for Workers in the American Northwest and a very few other pockets but if housing prices go up significantly, The US is likely hurt more than helped. Canadian workers will be hurt for the short term but they may very well win the war.


It's all about Trump and his need for a "soft" target to go after to boost his dodgy mojo.

Sounds about right. If they need jobs, why can't they be freelance YouTubers like all the other unskilled, talentless jerkoffs in America?

 

[Curious Cdn]

"Big, bad Canada ... they're so unfair!

So .... unfair! .....

Oh, booohoohoohoo!"

 

[damngrumpy]

no no we won every lumber dispute since the eighties the answer lies in stopping all pipelines south
for every barrel of oi there should be a one twenty five percent tax on it and make deals with other
nations to sell product too Arrange a twenty percent decrease in electrical power on an on again off
again brown out basis
We should understand this is business and we should stand up diversify and find new customers and
we can do that trading with Asia. America is choosing not to maintain a friendly partnership and it is
time to take punitive measures of our own yes it will hurt in the short term but in the long run it will
demonstrate resolve. If America wants to isolate itself lets go after some of their customers in Asia
and other areas.
When they want our lumber oil and other products in the future when this is over we would now sell
only finished product at triple the price and we would demand payment in cash up front after all we
will have new customers to sell to.
we do not need to accept insults from a bombastic punk masquerading as the President of the United States

 

[Murphy]

Trump is only doing what his business background has taught him to do. He's been very successful at it, I might add. But the Donald isn't going to be heading up the negotiations. He'll be kept updated, but politics being what it is, things will go according to whatever happens at the meetings. Bureaucrats, lawyers and others will determine how things progress. Are they up to the job? And that goes for both sides.

Art of Negotiations

1. In order to win, you must operate from a position of authority and strength. Knock your opponent off his feet before you meet. An unsteady or confused negotiator is easier to manipulate. Get his temper up. Release misleading information. Demand more than you can expect. Conduct yourself like you are the one in complete charge.

No matter what the outcome, tell everyone that you got exactly what you wanted.

 

[Curious Cdn]

no no we won every lumber dispute since the eighties the answer lies in stopping all pipelines south
for every barrel of oi there should be a one twenty five percent tax on it and make deals with other
nations to sell product too Arrange a twenty percent decrease in electrical power on an on again off
again brown out basis
We should understand this is business and we should stand up diversify and find new customers and
we can do that trading with Asia. America is choosing not to maintain a friendly partnership and it is
time to take punitive measures of our own yes it will hurt in the short term but in the long run it will
demonstrate resolve. If America wants to isolate itself lets go after some of their customers in Asia
and other areas.
When they want our lumber oil and other products in the future when this is over we would now sell
only finished product at triple the price and we would demand payment in cash up front after all we
will have new customers to sell to.
we do not need to accept insults from a bombastic punk masquerading as the President of the United States

The Chinese want and need our lumber. They are growing, dynamic and going places. The US seems to be a spent power. Why trade with a has-been who strikes out at their immediate neighbours because of their own shortcomings?

 

[petros]

They're the folk people investors think make labour too expensive in NA. Unions will eventually be on that Executive Order bucket list

They are drivers of inflation and pricing themselves out of jobs.

For lumber, Canada is going to have to compete with Russia for SPF lumber sales to Europe and Asia or start creating markets for poplar which is second to cedar for enduring wet, humid climates. Tropical wood rots very fast.

Poplar grows like weeds. They sucker. One tree can make one forest which are the largest organisms on Earth.

Living on Earth: The World's Largest Known Organism In Trouble

 

[darkbeaver]

If Justin wasn't such a pathetic douchebag, he immediately impose countervailing tariffs.. and take steps to nationalize Canada's energy sector, with the intent of building increased refining potential for processing of raw material in Canada.. rather than American refineries. He's too much of a floozie for that, and Trump makes him quake in his Doc Martin's. Smoke another joint Justin, everything looks like its going fine after a toke.

I smoke guite a bit but I usually agree with you, if you would kindly consider the ramifications of your negative interjections using that harmless medicinal plant. I'm sure Justin what's his names problem isn't cannibis, it's his education and his molding, he will send us to war, more.

The economic problem can be fixed by judicious application of war, as long as control of the assets is assured, everything will be all right, the bodies will blend in with the environment after a bit and things will be all sunshine again.

 

[petros]

Build refineries? Ecofascists would have a shit fit and give birth to several different kinds of kittens.

 

[darkbeaver]

Well cut off our oil and Ontario & Quebec power to the USA and watch Trump squirm..

I wish Canada had diversified its trade away from the USA, and we had better East/West trade with regards to energy, alcohol and other items..

Are you in a hurry to get bombed? Why do you think the yanks are threatening the Chinese and the Russians. BRICS , gold backed economies. DIversifying away from Uncle Sam is communism terrorism aand they bomb to reinstall democratic institutions and save you.

 

[darkbeaver]

They are drivers of inflation and pricing themselves out of jobs.

For lumber, Canada is going to have to compete with Russia for SPF lumber sales to Europe and Asia or start creating markets for poplar which is second to cedar for enduring wet, humid climates. Tropical wood rots very fast.

Poplar grows like weeds. They sucker. One tree can make one forest which are the largest organisms on Earth.

Living on Earth: The World's Largest Known Organism In Trouble

In Nova Scotia we have several species of Aspen/Poplar. I think the one you're talking about is trembling Aspen, I can never remember weather it's the small leaf or the large leaf but your right about its enduring moisture. I went back to one of my old slab piles six or seven years after making lumber on that spot and found some poplar boards on the ground in the grass virtually like the day they came off the mill, just a little grey from exposure but no hint of rot. It's stronger than spruce and makes very good lumber. Why this tree has not been taken advantage of in Nova Scotia is beyond me, it grows very fast and straight. I perfer it to either spruce or pine for its workability and utility.
It has been traditionally been used in horse stalls, tastes bad to horses and it resists splitting, very good flooring.