How is it to associate others with God

[Serryah]

Why do you insist on your falsehood, and follow weird explanations and deny history only to contradict God, the Quran and Mohammed that is truthful?

What part of what I said is false? Muhammad is the "mouthpiece" of God, according to Islam, the last True Prophet, is that not what you believe?

How is that, then, any different than the Saints or others who preach about God for other religions, being the things/beings others look for to intercede for them to God?

Anyhow, my words are not directed to any of you: who read much of my words based on the Quran interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; but my words are directed to the God-fearing, the pious, the kind-heart not the transgressors. (The wrong-doers will not respond.)

If they're not directed at any of us here, then why do you post?

Oh I remember, because like the Christians of old, the moment you know or hear of your faith, if you do not follow it, you are evil, going to hell, etc. Had you left people without knowledge of Islam, there would be no problems, but as you have said - admitted even - before, that once people are exposed to your version of Islam, if they do not follow, they are damned.

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Quran 40: 34, which means:
{“Joseph [son of Jacob] brought you the clear signs before [400 years ago.]

Yet you ceased not to doubt of [the religion] that he brought you.

At length, when he perished, you said, "God will not send any messenger (or apostle) after him." [And you kept on your disbelief, thinking that God will not bring about a new evidence against you: by sending you a new apostle]

As such does God misguide those indulgent [in wrong-doing] and doubting [about the sending of prophets.] ”}

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/40.htm#a40_34
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And you did not grasp the idea; that people want only to believe in historic persons, and do not want to believe in the new messenger: that is to free themselves from obligations.

Muhammad as the 'new' messenger is no different than Jesus, or Joseph, or Moses or any of them.

There is always some 'new' messenger for God who takes the words, supposedly, and interpenetrates them for masses of people.
No, I didn't grasp the idea, which is why I said what I said; it made no sense and had no bearing on the point that Muhammad is as much an Idol as any other and that you don't know what the word means.

Moreover, it is a common stand of all nations against the new messengers of God: to deny them and stick to the old and to their traditions.

And you stick to your old and your traditions. Your faith is in the end no different than any other.

Jesus Christ also told the disbelievers among the Children of Israel: you contradict the Commandments of God for your traditions; i.e. you violate the Commandments of God and prefer to them your traditions.

Depends on the sect of the Jewish believers. That Jesus said this is WHY there is a 'Christian' faith today.

BTW, again, Jesus is a pure example of Idol worship. He is no different really than Muhammad. He was a man who became a prophet for God/a new way of worship of God that now is the central focus of how to worship God.

Moreover, Serryah is mysterious so almost he or she is Satanist; or else tell us clearly about your beliefs so we can discuss it or if we see it true, we my then follow your belief!?

I've mentioned my beliefs to you before. I'm not so mysterious then.

A true Satanist is a humanist and despite the name they do not believe in Satan or God for that matter. I think perhaps you should learn what a Satanist is before trying to use it as an insult.

And no, I'm not a Satanist. Just as I am not Christian, Muslim or Jewish or anything but me. And my relationship with God is my own; I need no one else to stand between me and God, or tell me how to worship God. Do I believe in God - yes, absolutely. Or rather, the concept of it. I don't say "God" really because... well... that's what your people call that Spirit, and I don't follow that. To me, I can call what I see as "God" anything at all, and that doesn't take away from the fact that I still believe in the idea. It just means I am not limiting myself to the mass human IDEA of your version of God.

Yes, version, because no one person's view of God is the same and religion is, IMO, just another 'group' humans make to gather like minded people together and feel included in something. Doesn't make it bad, just not something I want in my life right now.

 

[petros]

When you come to the understanding that God (Pater-father) doesn't deal with the (Mater-Mother/material/physical) world you will gain a whole new perspective.

 

[gopher]

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[JLM]

Most people associate others with God Almighty, while they don't know that it is the idolatry.
In this youtube it is explained about the many manifestations of such idolatry. How is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VsbaaI5Vw​

If the video does not work here, see it in the link:
The association with God, essential explanation -
<quran-ayat.com/huda/threads/14785-The-association-with-God-essential-explanation?p=26045&viewfull=1#post26045>

Why would you start up a thread on the subject of religion? There are altogether too many fanatical crack pots trying to perpetuate this sh*t. Religion should be confined to the Golden Rule..............................end of subject. Put a f**king lid on it!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Anyhow, my words are not directed to any of you:

Then who do you think you're talking to, people who aren't here?

who read much of my words based on the Quran interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; but my words are directed to the God-fearing, the pious, the kind-heart not the transgressors. (The wrong-doers will not respond.)

Nonsense. You come in here to witness for your faith, all of your words are directed to people you consider to be wrong-doers, and they're the only people who respond because they're the only people here. You're the only Muslim fundamentalist here as far as I know, and from what I've seen, it appears that nobody believes you're right about anything important except for monotheism's central claim, that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us.

 

[Serryah]

Serryah, I don't know if you have attempted to have a reasoned discussion with him, but in case you haven't, his response will be (paraphrased), that you do not understand, here's a quote from the Quran that explains or proves...

It's one thing to follow a religion. It's quite another to be so zealous about it that everyone else is wrong and his word is the only correct one. Even Jehovah's Witnesses will go away if you tell them you aren't interested.

He is typical of many Muslims. It makes me wonder what is required to graduate from the University of Baghdad. That allegedly is his alma mater.

He cannot think critically. He relies on his book for every answer. Comets, meteors, floods,. They are all explained in his book. I am sure that where he goes to the washroom when he's away from home must be double checked with the Quran.

Good luck.

I know most of this. This isn't my first 'convo' with Selfsame.

And despite him, I actually do enjoy talking with him over his faith/belief sometimes. I even got him to admit I was right once about something, imagine that.

We might see faith and such differently but until I've no reason to continue the discussion, I'll keep talking to him because, well, you never know.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Then who do you think you're talking to, people who aren't here?

He's telling his imaginary friends about his imaginary friend.

 

[Murphy]

I know most of this. This isn't my first 'convo' with Selfsame.

And despite him, I actually do enjoy talking with him over his faith/belief sometimes. I even got him to admit I was right once about something, imagine that.

We might see faith and such differently but until I've no reason to continue the discussion, I'll keep talking to him because, well, you never know.

You have more faith in reasoning with a rock than I.

 

[selfsame]

You react just as expected. Your mind is a closed box, incapable of seeing beyond your preconceived ideas. You are like a parrot or a robot, incapable of thinking your own thoughts. You think that by uttering threats of retribution that you can make me into a robot like you. You are a sad and pathetic excuse for a human being.
BTW: there are no virgins waiting for you in heaven, only goats and sheep.

The time was late for me; I was in a hurry and must leave at that instance; so I told you the conclusion of everything.
I am not giving any threat, but telling you the truth from which you evade.
The disbeliever is the loser sooner or later.

 

[EagleSmack]

 

[selfsame]

Then who do you think you're talking to, people who aren't here?

I speak to readers who read the internet display and discussion; while persons to whom I spoke even once, it is enough so far; no need to further warning about the Next Life; the idea has already reached them.
While to new people or people who come to read .. it is OK.
And it is OK for people who want to know about the Quran; so in spite of that someone tells them things against the Quran .. it depends on God's guidance for the one who receives the word of God in the Quran and its explanation, and none can mislead anyone whom God guides.

Nonsense. You come in here to witness for your faith, all of your words are directed to people you consider to be wrong-doers, and they're the only people who respond because they're the only people here. You're the only Muslim fundamentalist here as far as I know, and from what I've seen, it appears that nobody believes you're right about anything important except for monotheism's central claim, that there's a supernatural being that has some interest in us.

I cannot be an arbiter to judge this one is a wrong-doer or not; but the wrong-doer will not be guided by God .. this is a general fact.

Moreover, if most people are not interested, it is no surprise .. it is even among Muslims that the Quran interpretation has be denied and rejected, and the word of monotheism and the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' is refused.
Don't you know that this is the sign of the correctness: that most people refuse the word of God .. that is because most of people are wrong-doers in a way or another.

Who followed Moses? and how did his people react to him, disobey and annoy him so much with their hypocrisy till the present moment?
Who followed Jesus Christ? Only the loyal twelve and one of them betrayed.
Who followed Prophet Mohammed in fact; to the last days of his life there was the plot to kill him by some hypocrites?

Therefore, it is an excellent mark or sign that Abu Abd-Allah till the present moment has not been followed by the masses .. because they follow Satan and their lusts and their wrong-doing.

If you like to understand this point why most people do not follow the truth ... see it here:
http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english3.htm#Objection_of_the_People_of_the_Bible_to
Then see the point B. Why did God order Mohammed to ask the People of the Bible?
Is the Torah then correct and authentic?

 

[Murphy]

No one cares. Your book is full of lies and no one here believes a single word written in it. Go to your mosque. Go bother people in the market. No one here wants to debate a book full of silly stories, written by killers, liars and thieves. All written hundreds of years after Mo-HAM-Ed died and edited heavily in order to confuse and misrepresent Islam. Al Hilli is a prime example of this. An editor who changed the book to suit his tastes.

You have demonstrated to the board that you are a liar and religious zealot. You support a violent killer. You insult anyone who disagrees with you, yet you expect people will believe anything you say. You are a perfect example of everything that is wrong with the ME. Intolerance, disrespect, violent attitude, lying and deception.

Understand that you cause your own trouble. That is why people react so strongly to you. But even having that explained to you dozens of times by many people, you continue spreading your lies. You are a contemptuous swine.

You are a waste of skin.







Francais au verso.

 

[selfsame]

God:
Horton Hears a Who – Horton was an elephant who hears a voice coming from a spec of dust floating by.

God Whom you deny is not Horton, and what I told you that you will go to meet God means you will go to the ethereal world and leave this material world without any doubt.

In the beginning:
There was no beginning. There is no end – the very definition of infinity. There was no god who created the Universe if there is no beginning. It would be impossible, just as it is impossible for there to be an end. The space/time continuum is an infinite loop.

Of course, you may be right that you or anyone else cannot imagine any beginning or end.
But speaking about the beginning (in the Genesis for example) does not mean the beginning of the entire universe; it may mean the beginning of the creation of the present solar system: the earth and the heavens (or the earth and the other planets); that is when God's throne had been on the water vapor because there was no ethereal heaves to bear the throne.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#Question_1
quran-ayat.com/universe/index.htm#Question_1

Spirit:
But what is spirit? Spirit is conscious energy that can take on any form to suit the situation or the beliefs of the observer. That is why some people see angels, some aliens, some animals or plants, etc.

This is only your postulation.

The point is, who or what creates this Universe is just as much a part of you as you are of it. If you want to call this conscious energy gestalt “god” then it stands to reason that you are also “god”.

Of course this is not correct or logical.

We are all One, just that most of us have not realized it yet because most are still stuck in the Matrix. Their ignorance of who they really are is causing a disturbance in the Force (Source) and manifests as destruction.

This is only the postulating, and not more than laying words together. Non-sense.

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No one cares.

Speak for yourself and your friends who are like you in blasphemy and atheism.
Therefore, God Himself will deal with you, sooner or later.

 

[Murphy]

You are a zealot, Nassir. Even worse, one who does not understand the world and its people.

You are a waste of skin.

 

[Cliffy]

This is only your postulation.

Of course this is not correct or logical.

This is only the postulating, and not more than laying words together. Non-sense.

And all your interpretation of the Quran is also just your postulation and nothing more. You are such a zealot that you can't even see that.

 

[darkbeaver]

God and I spend all day together.We calculate every move, mostly we move toward the liqur store, god drives most of the way.

 

[Johnnny]

Heh thats why radical muslims blow themselves up. They are too scared to face a woman who has a gun

 

[Murphy]

This was wildly popular, both as the original version and the raunchier ones. I'll let you google the ones with the naughty language.

King Earl Boogie Band (the original) with the clean version of Plastic Jesus - 1972

[youtube]khf3t1GQZMw[/youtube]

 

[Cliffy]

God and I spend all day together.We calculate every move, mostly we move toward the liqur store, god drives most of the way.

God and I are One. God made me fire up my motorcycle today But I drove. We have missed and longed for the open road for so long, even god got impatient.

 

[darkbeaver]

God and I are One. God made me fire up my motorcycle today But I drove. We have missed and longed for the open road for so long, even god got impatient.

Hang in there Cliffy it's better next time arround if you were nice