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Dexter Sinister

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People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power.
That's no indicator of the End Times, there's never been a period in human history when that hasn't been true. It's just an indicator that events are proceeding as they always have and people are as dumb, greedy, selfish, myopic, superstitious, and ignorant, as they've always been. There's nothing special about these times, it's just business as usual.
 

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That's no indicator of the End Times, there's never been a period in human history when that hasn't been true. It's just an indicator that events are proceeding as they always have and people are as dumb, greedy, selfish, myopic, superstitious, and ignorant, as they've always been. There's nothing special about these times, it's just business as usual.
LOl, that is a bit harsh, don't you think?? Have you never been on the receiving end of an amazing act of kindness from a stranger??

Unfortunately we humans were not perfectly created,, in spite of what most religions claim. We evolved out of slime and so far have not bred out the more vicious faults. It seems at this point, many of the viciously violent ones are taking themselves out of the gene pool, albeit, at a cost to the more reasonable among us.

The poem Desiderata expresses it much better than I could ever do but I try....LOL
 

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That's no indicator of the End Times, there's never been a period in human history when that hasn't been true. It's just an indicator that events are proceeding as they always have and people are as dumb, greedy, selfish, myopic, superstitious, and ignorant, as they've always been. There's nothing special about these times, it's just business as usual.


Have to disagree a bit - it was only a generation ago that homosexuals were despised by basically everyone and I also notice a bit more tolerance toward other ethnic groups. We are also not as ignorant as we were 50 years ago. In some ways we have regressed but in an equal number of ways we've improved.
 

Dexter Sinister

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LOl, that is a bit harsh, don't you think??
No, but it may be too kind. I remember being appalled when a high school guidance counsellor told the class I was in that a person of average intelligence will not be able to understand all the material in the standard grade 12 academic curriculum. That means a person of average intelligence isn't really very smart, and by definition half of us naked apes are of average or lesser intelligence. Then consider how many of the other half are limited by religion, ideology, ignorance, and the many well known cognitive and perceptual errors and biases we're all prone to... not very encouraging. I think we're a plague on the planet and it would probably be better off without us. It would certainly be better off with far fewer of us.
 

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No, but it may be too kind. I remember being appalled when a high school guidance counsellor told the class I was in that a person of average intelligence will not be able to understand all the material in the standard grade 12 academic curriculum.
I'm not sure I'd accept the word of the average high school guidance counsellor on that.

That means a person of average intelligence isn't really very smart, and by definition half of us naked apes are of average or lesser intelligence. Then consider how many of the other half are limited by religion, ideology, ignorance, and the many well known cognitive and perceptual errors and biases we're all prone to... not very encouraging. I think we're a plague on the planet and it would probably be better off without us. It would certainly be better off with far fewer of us.
Yay, dieback!
 

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Have to disagree a bit - it was only a generation ago that homosexuals were despised by basically everyone and I also notice a bit more tolerance toward other ethnic groups. We are also not as ignorant as we were 50 years ago. In some ways we have regressed but in an equal number of ways we've improved.

I'm going to argue with you. The discovery and study of ignorance when faced with the infinite nature of the universe ensures continuing greater ignorance.


I think we're a plague on the planet and it would probably be better off without us. It would certainly be better off with far fewer of us.

Oh god not you too! This planet birthed us and coddled us all this time knowing our potential infinitly better than we do. There is no chance that humans in any number could do the unexpected to this planet. This planet is impervious to the human races mightiest self destructive acts. Should we cease to exist earth will fill the niche left behind seamlessly. If the planet didn't want the numbers of humans it now has how in hell would they come to be here?
 

Motar

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I think we're a plague on the planet and it would probably be better off without us. It would certainly be better off with far fewer of us.

Would a Supreme Being need to reduce a population in order to successfully manage it? Your 'sustainable development' philosophy is showing, DS.
 

darkbeaver

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Would a Supreme Being need to reduce a population in order to successfully manage it? Your 'sustainable development' philosophy is showing, DS.

It's a philosophy based on a fix mass for the planet. I happen to know it's growing, getting bigger, the trick is to not outpace that planetary expansion which is controled automatically anyway by , floods, earthquakes, disease, ice ages, desert ages, dark ages, stones ages nature knows best. I think the planet will outlive us easily.



That's just reflexes Cliffy surely you don't mean to accuse thesebipeds of reason? We would have to stop eating them. Wouldn't we?
Let's talk about the chimps religion. It looks very much like it worships something it feels in others of it's kind.
 

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It's a philosophy based on a fix mass for the planet. I happen to know it's growing, getting bigger, the trick is to not outpace that planetary expansion which is controled automatically anyway by , floods, earthquakes, disease, ice ages, desert ages, dark ages, stones ages nature knows best. I think the planet will outlive us easily.




That's just reflexes Cliffy surely you don't mean to accuse thesebipeds of reason? We would have to stop eating them. Wouldn't we?
Let's talk about the chimps religion. It looks very much like it worships something it feels in others of it's kind.
I never ate a chimp. Do they taste like chicken?

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No, but it may be too kind. I remember being appalled when a high school guidance counsellor told the class I was in that a person of average intelligence will not be able to understand all the material in the standard grade 12 academic curriculum. That means a person of average intelligence isn't really very smart, and by definition half of us naked apes are of average or lesser intelligence. Then consider how many of the other half are limited by religion, ideology, ignorance, and the many well known cognitive and perceptual errors and biases we're all prone to... not very encouraging. I think we're a plague on the planet and it would probably be better off without us. It would certainly be better off with far fewer of us.
You referencing your own family tree or somebody else?

Let go with the next climate change results in the desert belt becoming green and the population that used to live north and south of there move closer together, in harmony. With food not being an issue and our current level of communication means there is no language barrier so why would the people not ne able to 'just get along' and over the next 100,000 years we become smart enough to things that are impossible today.
"Other half' would mean none of those topics is anything you know about in the least. If you have an opinion about the term 'God' you have a religious doctrine even if it is one line long.
Adaptation to new changes would be something that requires a certain IQ that understands that in the areas you score low in can be upgraded by doing some study in that particular area, in areas that come under 'natural talent' that may turn out to be a specialty where a person goes past the level of expert and starts new innovations or something like that. MENSA would label it as 'projecting beyond the current place and time'.
It is a selective club so that shows that the super smart are pretty dumb as it most likely excludes all the best innovative thinkers around the globe.
 

Cliffy

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mor·al.
[ˈmôrəl]
ADJECTIVE
1.concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character
https://www.bing.com/search?q=moral...34f16a5d26ce0de329b87&pq=moral and definition

In my experience, "moral" is a human qualifier, Cliffy.
Humans don't have the goodness of character of most other primates. All they have is intellect which may give them technological advantage but moral inferiority and lack of integrity. We know that god has a sense of humour - he created humans and their infernal Gong show.
 

darkbeaver

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Humans don't have the goodness of character of most other primates. All they have is intellect which may give them technological advantage but moral inferiority and lack of integrity. We know that god has a sense of humour - he created humans and their infernal Gong show.

Us humans are not that bad, were bad but not that bad, makes us OK we have papers

F Bacons impact on the last three hundrdorso years W Shakespere was illeterate, worse thanme
 

Dexter Sinister

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You referencing your own family tree or somebody else?
Neither, I'm referencing the entire species. The rest of your post is incoherent gibberish.

Would a Supreme Being need to reduce a population in order to successfully manage it? Your 'sustainable development' philosophy is showing, DS.
If there were a Supreme Being of the sort you're promoting it could magic up anything it wanted, but there isn't, there's just us, we're on our own here. And I have no "sustainable development" philosophy, there's no such thing as "sustainable development." The ultimate end for all species is extinction, over 90% of the species that have ever lived are extinct and eventually homo sapiens will be too. We've got a few years yet, most species last for at least a few million years and we've had only 100 to 200 thousand so far, but eventually we'll be gone.
 
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Neither, I'm referencing the entire species. The rest of your post is incoherent gibberish.

If there were a Supreme Being of the sort you're promoting it could magic up anything it wanted, but there isn't, there's just us, we're on our own here. And I have no "sustainable development" philosophy, there's no such thing as "sustainable development." The ultimate end for all species is extinction, over 90% of the species that have ever lived are extinct and eventually homo sapiens will be too. We've got a few years yet, most species last for at least a few million years and we've had only 100 to 200 thousand so far, but eventually we'll be gone.
always good to know there are still a few out there that know everything