For normal people the death of a child is punishment enough but these are not normal people and they have other kids that need protection.
99% of people would have taken the kid to the hospital for evaluation and for a simple cure for his illness.
Alberta Toddler's Death Shows Danger Of Unproven Remedies
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For normal people the death of a child is punishment enough but these are not normal people and they have other kids that need protection.
99% of people would have taken the kid to the hospital for evaluation and for a simple cure for his illness.
For normal people the death of a child is punishment enough but these are not normal people and they have other kids that need protection.
99% of people would have taken the kid to the hospital for evaluation and for a simple cure for his illness.
Yeah, this one was probably not quite as bad as some, like the idiots in Ontario who took their daughter off chemo while battling leukemia to put her on a regimen of Grape juice (or something similar). She died! (They walk among us)
I haven't looked back at this thread for a while.
I must admit that once I read a few, i was shaking my head.
Myself I go to the doctor, if I am sick enough. I get the flu shot. My children were all immunized, etc., etc.
According to American government statistics the numbers of people that die because of doctors, then there are the numbers that die because of infections that are caught from being in hospital. Then you have the interesting who think those who believe in an alternate health care will all die and those that rush to the doctor when they get a hangnail will miraculously pull though.
Who is the ........
I must admit that once I read a few, i was shaking my head.
Myself I go to the doctor, if I am sick enough. I get the flu shot. My children were all immunized, etc., etc.
According to American government statistics the numbers of people that die because of doctors, then there are the numbers that die because of infections that are caught from being in hospital. Then you have the interesting who think those who believe in an alternate health care will all die and those that rush to the doctor when they get a hangnail will miraculously pull though.
Who is the ........
Yes but the girl in that case was the one who opted for the non traditional treatment as she didn't want to continue with the chemo.
Ezekiel did not have that choice.
All that was required was to take him, to a Doctor for an evaluation.......
Alberta dad confused by guilty verdict
Waiting to be sentenced for the death of his nearly 19-month-old son, David Stephan says he still doesn't understand exactly what a jury found him guilty of doing.
The guilty verdict for Stephan and his wife, Collet Stephan — was handed down in April in a Lethbridge, Alta., courtroom. Sentencing is expected on June 23.
"It's a quite confusing question at this point and one of the things the judge is going to have to consider during sentencing as to what the jury found us guilty on, because it's so wide open and varying," Stephan told CBC's Calgary Eyeopener.
The court was told the couple thought their toddler was suffering from croup or the flu and spent more than two weeks treating him with remedies like hot peppers, garlic, onions and horseradish, even though a family friend who was a nurse told them she thought Ezekiel had meningitis.
They eventually took the toddler from their rural home in southern Alberta to a naturopathic clinic in Lethbridge to pick up an echinacea mixture. At the time, Ezekiel was too stiff to ride in a car seat and had to lie on a mattress in the vehicle.
Alberta dad confused by guilty verdict in son's meningitis death, but has no plans to appeal - Calgary - CBC News
"High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'
...Published in the BMJ Open journal, the new study found that 92 percent of people with a high cholesterol level lived longer...."
High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'
anyone who blindly trusts our medical system as it is
is sic
If I had trusted blindly and didn't figure my situation out for myself and treat it accordingly against my Drs' (a team of them ) wishes in January
I'd be DEAD
Funny, everything I did was completely vindicated by research published at pubmed
You would think Doctors would be up on that sort of thing...
but they are not
Funny, if its published at the highest standard of medical publishing in the US if a pharmalogical salesman doesn't have his greedy mitts all over it, its still called ALTERNATIVE
...Published in the BMJ Open journal, the new study found that 92 percent of people with a high cholesterol level lived longer...."
High cholesterol 'does not cause heart disease' new research finds, so treating with statins a 'waste of time'
anyone who blindly trusts our medical system as it is
is sic
If I had trusted blindly and didn't figure my situation out for myself and treat it accordingly against my Drs' (a team of them ) wishes in January
I'd be DEAD
Funny, everything I did was completely vindicated by research published at pubmed
You would think Doctors would be up on that sort of thing...
but they are not
Funny, if its published at the highest standard of medical publishing in the US if a pharmalogical salesman doesn't have his greedy mitts all over it, its still called ALTERNATIVE
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Weren't there a lot of unproven remedys consumned in all the generations of huminoids that got us into this particular space and time?n How is it they're now suspect? Who could possibly doubt the health connectyion with the cabbage or the bean? only an educated idiot of course. Dirt is very good for us.
Of course everything tastes better with HP SAUCE,
Every dawn where I am is celebrated with a handfull of dirt washed down with strong dark indeginous coffee, grown here in Nova Scotis on our south facing mountains.
All those roots and berries paid off, modern science has a infinite long way to go to compete with THEE BIG LAB
Altwernative medicine? Which is the alternative? The best lab ever over all recorded time in this location has worked the alchemaic magic to approximate perfection, a factory mock up of a natural compound will always be a factory mockup, except for acid, which they got pretty close
Of course everything tastes better with HP SAUCE,
Every dawn where I am is celebrated with a handfull of dirt washed down with strong dark indeginous coffee, grown here in Nova Scotis on our south facing mountains.
All those roots and berries paid off, modern science has a infinite long way to go to compete with THEE BIG LAB
Altwernative medicine? Which is the alternative? The best lab ever over all recorded time in this location has worked the alchemaic magic to approximate perfection, a factory mock up of a natural compound will always be a factory mockup, except for acid, which they got pretty close
This is a terrible shame. I hope the parents do some soul searching. These people were not "misinformed"- more like brainwashed by the Vitamin /alternative therapy/ natural medicine industry. Since the 90's there has been a growing swell of negativity and skeptical bias towards the traditional science based medicine and here is one of the tragic results. This infants suffering and death was easily preventable. Unfortunately some people get so convinced in their ideology they start believing false statements that they hear repeated and don't apply critical thinking or common sense. The information brought via the internet and passed around on social media isn't helping this trend towards bogus beliefs.
No soul searching and worse, they still have no remorse? And the father is blaming the ambulance drivers! Truly astonishing.
And they want to make a rights issue out of this? He is still yapping about the right to vaccinate or not and missing the point of not taking the kid to the hospital to have him looked at to determine what was wrong in the first few days. Their freedom to not vaccinate would not have been compromised because at that point a vaccination would not have been relevant but other modern medical options would have saved him if they would have.
How about this; a sick child should have the right to the best treatment without risking death because of the stupidity of their parents unqualified opinions.........
In an interview with the producers of a controversial anti-vaccination film, David Stephan called on supporters to rally at the courthouse in Lethbridge, Alta., later this week, when he and his wife Collet face sentencing hearings for failing to provide the necessaries of life to their son, Ezekiel, who died of meningitis in 2012.
"We're in a bit of a predicament here but this isn't just our battle; this is everyone's battle," David told Del Bigtree and Polly Tommey, who were in Calgary to promote their movie Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe.
In a video interview that was livestreamed on Facebook, David asks viewers to show up at the Lethbridge court on Friday wearing blue jeans and white shirts as a show of support for him and his wife.
"We need to get people out to the courthouse to take a stand for this," he said.
"Ultimately it comes down to whether we have the right to vaccinate or not
Court heard the boy's back had become so stiff that he was unable to fit in a car seat and had to ride on a mattress in the back of the couple's vehicle when they took him to a naturopath in Lethbridge on March 13 to pick up an echinacea mixture for him.
That night he stopped breathing, prompting the couple to call 911.
Ezekiel resumed breathing while David was on the phone with a 911 operator, and the couple then decided to drive him to the hospital in Cardston, Alta.
He stopped breathing again en route, prompting another 911 call.
An ambulance met up with the couple and Ezekiel was rushed to the Cardston hospital, then taken to the emergency room in Lethbridge, then flown to the Alberta Children's Hospital in Calgary.
There, he was diagnosed with bacterial meningitis and declared brain dead.
In the Facebook Live video, David reiterated his claim that Ezekiel's condition took a sudden turn for the worse and again blamed paramedics for being ill-equipped.
"He (Ezekiel) wasn't severely ill, and then everything just came to a crash on an evening, and he ended up in an ambulance that didn't have the right equipment and subsequently he ended up brain dead," he said.
A physician's report presented as evidence at the trial, however, stated that Ezekiel "was blue by the time EMS arrived," as Collet had been performing CPR on the child for the previous 10 minutes with "no spontaneous return of breathing."
The Facebook interview concludes with Bigtree urging viewers to "send letters of support to this wonderful couple that are facing this incredible, lying machine."
"We're all surrounding you in prayers and love and we will keep your children in prayers and love," the filmmaker tells the couple.
Alberta parents convicted in son's meningitis death call for courthouse rally in anti-vax interview - Calgary - CBC News
Modern medicine is the last chance for survival and nothing else has proven otherwise. Medical people do their best but sometimes nothing can be done.
They were advised by their neighbour, a nurse, that she thought the kid had meningitis. If they had of taken him to the hospital at that point he would be alive.
It's actually unbelievable that they are trying to blame the paramedics for their son's death. This like saying that if a person shoots another person, and then the ambulance shows up and the person dies then the shooter shouldn't be charged with murder? That's ridiculous. The shooting was the direct cause of the person's death You can't argue that you shouldn't be liable for a crime because people didn't intervene well enough to save the victim. The victim would not be in that situation but for your actions.
Their lack of remorse about the whole thing is just infuriating. They really just don't get that they were so purposely and I say criminally negligent and they let their son slowly die in front of them as they did nothing and they have the gall to blame the paramedics?! F*** these people. I hope at their sentencing hearing these kind of statements are brought up to show that they haven't appreciated the gravity of the offence that they committed and they get the stiffest sentence possible........
The case is about not seeking a medical opinion from a Doctor, despite the urging of a nurse to do so. It is about the result of a death of someone who had no options he could exercise.......
Alberta mom convicted in toddler's meningitis death claims autopsy report was falsified
David and Collet Stephan effectively abused their son Ezekiel, endangering his life, and should serve up to 4½ years in prison, the Crown prosecutor said in a Lethbridge, Alta., courtroom Thursday at a sentencing hearing.
The Alberta couple were found guilty in April of failing to provide the necessaries of life for their toddler, who died of bacterial meningitis four years ago.
Prosecutor Lisa Weich said the parents should have provided medical assistance and that not doing so was "effectively abuse."
Calling the parents' behaviour "arrogant and selfish," the Crown is seeking three to 4½ years behind bars.
The Crown interrupted part of Collet Stephan's testimony earlier on Thursday in the Lethbridge Court of Queen's Bench when she claimed the boy's autopsy report had been falsified.
Her lawyer, Shawn Buckley, said he had no idea she had planned to make such a statement.
Jerke wrote he was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt that a prudent and ordinary person without medical training would have foreseen "that medical attention was required to maintain Ezekiel's life."
"Mr. and Mrs. Stephan did not provide Ezekiel with medical attention. This was a failure of their legal duty to provide necessaries of life. It was a marked departure from the required standard of care," he said. "It is morally blameworthy conduct."
Crown seeks up to 4½ years prison time for parents of toddler in meningitis death - Calgary - CBC News
What nonsense. Tens of thousands of years of human evolution and using natural remedies is not "unproven". The brainwashing is strong on this forum. Pharmaceuticals have only been around for just over 100 years. This is their annual record of deaths by doctors and our "health professionals". Read and weep:
Estimated Annual Mortality from Medical Intervention
Condition Deaths
Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000
Medical error 98,000
Bedsores 115,000
Infection 88,000
$5 billion
Unnecessary Procedures 37,136
Surgery-Related 32,000
http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf
Estimated Annual Mortality from Medical Intervention
Condition Deaths
Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000
Medical error 98,000
Bedsores 115,000
Infection 88,000
$5 billion
Unnecessary Procedures 37,136
Surgery-Related 32,000
http://www.webdc.com/pdfs/deathbymedicine.pdf
Don't forget 28,000 deaths last year from opioid overdose, which the medical profession has pushed for 80 years as the safe alternative to the incredibly dangerous cannabis.
Precisely and one of the main reasons we invaded Afghanistan - poppies. Poppy production is a 1000 fold what it was before invasion.