Conditions for the divorce
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{Quran 2: 232. When you [men] have divorced women [the first divorce], and they have reached their appointed interim [: the Idda]a, then retain them in kindness b or release them [to their families] in kindness c.
Retain them not to their hurt so that you transgress [over them.d] He who does that has wronged himself e.
Take not the revelations of God in jest f, but remember God's grace upon you g and that which He has revealed to you of the Scripture and of wisdom h, whereby He does exhort you i. Ward off [the disobedience of] God j, and be sure that God is All-Knowing about everything. k
233. And when you [judges and men in charge of the divorced women] have divorced the women, and they attain their appointed time [of the Idda l], then do not hinder them to marry their [former] husbands, if they amicably agreed among themselves.m
This [statement] is an admonition for anyone among you [judges] who believes in God [so as to hope in His reward] and the Last Day [so that he fears of His punishment n].
That o is more virtuous for you p, and cleaner q.
God certainly knows r, but you do not know s.}
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a i.e. when the appointed period of time of the Idda is about to end.
b If you want to restore them.
c If you insist on separating from them.
d i.e. don't take them back for the purpose of hurting them, so that you take her money then you divorce her once again, or you want to transgress on her by beating, reviling, humiliating or other kinds of hurt then to divorce her.
e Because he will then deserve the punishment and wrath of God.
f i.e. Don't take these instructions which God has revealed to you in the Quran, in jest and pay no attention to them.
g For you were idolaters [associating others with God], then He guided you to the Islam and bestowed these bounties on you.
h i.e. and remember also the favor of God on you, for He revealed to you one of the heavenly books including such instructions and admonitions.
i i.e. He exhorts you by the Quran.
j And don't contradict His commands.
k So that nothing of your acts may be hidden from Him.
l i.e. when her Idda is completed.
m i.e. if the husband regrets the divorce of his wife, in case he divorced her once or twice, and he wants to remarry her with a little and suitable dowry, then do not prevent her from marrying her husband.
n Therefore, he should not take any bribe, or have any advantage to make her marry another man.
o new marriage of the divorced wives, and returning them back to their husbands.
p those in charge among the family members of the divorced women; i.e. it is more honorable to you to return her to her husband, rather than she may marry another man.
q for the divorced women.
r the consequences.
s the consequence.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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{Quran 2: 234. [Divorced] mothers should suckle their children for two whole years, for anyone [of their husbands] who wants to complete the [time of] suckling [his baby;]
[But if he is poor, he may reduce three months from the two years period a.]
and their feeding and clothing b is incumbent on the father of the child on equitable term.c
No soul should be overtasked beyond its capacity d. [Any] mother should not be made to suffer because of her child e, neither should [any] father [be made to suffer] because of his child f.
And the same of that [feeding and clothing of the mother giving suckle to the baby] is incumbent on the heir [if the father dies.] g
But if [the parents] decide to wean [the child before the completion of the two years] by mutual consent and [after due] consultation [between the father and the mother] then there is no blame on them [concerning that.]
And if you [fathers] decide on wet nurse for your babies h, there is no blame on you [concerning that], provided you pay [to the mother the rest of] what [Nafaqa] you offered in a fair way i.
Ward off [the punishment of] God j, and know that God is All-Seeing of what you do [so He rewards everyone according to his work.] k}
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a So that he may take his baby three months, at the time of weaning, before completing the two years, and then his baby will be suckled for twenty one months.
b i.e. the feeding and clothing of the mothers.
c According to his capability to expend on the mother of the baby.
It means: The mothers should suckle their babies for two whole years, in case the father wants to complete the suckling. And the father has to give provision to the mother of the baby and pay for her clothing as long as she suckles his baby.
d i.e. but only according to its capability.
e It means: The father should not take his baby in order to hurt his mother; neither should he curtail the Nafaqa in order to harm her.
f i.e. don't harm the father because of his baby: that is when you demand a Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing] more than he can afford. On the other hand, if the mother is given her Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing], let her not refuse to suckle the baby, in order to harm his father.
g It means: if the father dies, or is disabled or ill or madness afflicts him, then instead of him, the heir will give the Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing]. The heir is the nearest to the father in kinship, like his older son, who will expend for feeding and clothing the divorced wife of his father as long as she gives suckle to the baby.
h i.e. to find some suckling women other than their mothers: like when the mother is depleted of her milk, or she becomes ill, or she refuses to suckle him for some reason, or the father is poor and cannot pay for the Nafaqa, and he has someone to give suckle to the baby freely.
i i.e. without any stalling, disputing or delaying of her Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing.] And then you can seek after a wet nurse.
j So that you should avoid the stalling and the delaying of her due Nafaqa.
k But if the mother of the baby marries, then no Nafaqa is due for her afterwards, and the Nafaqa will exclusively be for the baby only; and in such instance the father has the right to take his baby from his mother.
Moreover, the "baby" here means the male and the female, and no distinction between the male and the female concerning the Nafaqa and the period of suckling and the other points mentioned in this aya.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
Retain them not to their hurt so that you transgress [over them.d] He who does that has wronged himself e.
Take not the revelations of God in jest f, but remember God's grace upon you g and that which He has revealed to you of the Scripture and of wisdom h, whereby He does exhort you i. Ward off [the disobedience of] God j, and be sure that God is All-Knowing about everything. k
233. And when you [judges and men in charge of the divorced women] have divorced the women, and they attain their appointed time [of the Idda l], then do not hinder them to marry their [former] husbands, if they amicably agreed among themselves.m
This [statement] is an admonition for anyone among you [judges] who believes in God [so as to hope in His reward] and the Last Day [so that he fears of His punishment n].
That o is more virtuous for you p, and cleaner q.
God certainly knows r, but you do not know s.}
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a i.e. when the appointed period of time of the Idda is about to end.
b If you want to restore them.
c If you insist on separating from them.
d i.e. don't take them back for the purpose of hurting them, so that you take her money then you divorce her once again, or you want to transgress on her by beating, reviling, humiliating or other kinds of hurt then to divorce her.
e Because he will then deserve the punishment and wrath of God.
f i.e. Don't take these instructions which God has revealed to you in the Quran, in jest and pay no attention to them.
g For you were idolaters [associating others with God], then He guided you to the Islam and bestowed these bounties on you.
h i.e. and remember also the favor of God on you, for He revealed to you one of the heavenly books including such instructions and admonitions.
i i.e. He exhorts you by the Quran.
j And don't contradict His commands.
k So that nothing of your acts may be hidden from Him.
l i.e. when her Idda is completed.
m i.e. if the husband regrets the divorce of his wife, in case he divorced her once or twice, and he wants to remarry her with a little and suitable dowry, then do not prevent her from marrying her husband.
n Therefore, he should not take any bribe, or have any advantage to make her marry another man.
o new marriage of the divorced wives, and returning them back to their husbands.
p those in charge among the family members of the divorced women; i.e. it is more honorable to you to return her to her husband, rather than she may marry another man.
q for the divorced women.
r the consequences.
s the consequence.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
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{Quran 2: 234. [Divorced] mothers should suckle their children for two whole years, for anyone [of their husbands] who wants to complete the [time of] suckling [his baby;]
[But if he is poor, he may reduce three months from the two years period a.]
and their feeding and clothing b is incumbent on the father of the child on equitable term.c
No soul should be overtasked beyond its capacity d. [Any] mother should not be made to suffer because of her child e, neither should [any] father [be made to suffer] because of his child f.
And the same of that [feeding and clothing of the mother giving suckle to the baby] is incumbent on the heir [if the father dies.] g
But if [the parents] decide to wean [the child before the completion of the two years] by mutual consent and [after due] consultation [between the father and the mother] then there is no blame on them [concerning that.]
And if you [fathers] decide on wet nurse for your babies h, there is no blame on you [concerning that], provided you pay [to the mother the rest of] what [Nafaqa] you offered in a fair way i.
Ward off [the punishment of] God j, and know that God is All-Seeing of what you do [so He rewards everyone according to his work.] k}
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a So that he may take his baby three months, at the time of weaning, before completing the two years, and then his baby will be suckled for twenty one months.
b i.e. the feeding and clothing of the mothers.
c According to his capability to expend on the mother of the baby.
It means: The mothers should suckle their babies for two whole years, in case the father wants to complete the suckling. And the father has to give provision to the mother of the baby and pay for her clothing as long as she suckles his baby.
d i.e. but only according to its capability.
e It means: The father should not take his baby in order to hurt his mother; neither should he curtail the Nafaqa in order to harm her.
f i.e. don't harm the father because of his baby: that is when you demand a Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing] more than he can afford. On the other hand, if the mother is given her Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing], let her not refuse to suckle the baby, in order to harm his father.
g It means: if the father dies, or is disabled or ill or madness afflicts him, then instead of him, the heir will give the Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing]. The heir is the nearest to the father in kinship, like his older son, who will expend for feeding and clothing the divorced wife of his father as long as she gives suckle to the baby.
h i.e. to find some suckling women other than their mothers: like when the mother is depleted of her milk, or she becomes ill, or she refuses to suckle him for some reason, or the father is poor and cannot pay for the Nafaqa, and he has someone to give suckle to the baby freely.
i i.e. without any stalling, disputing or delaying of her Nafaqa [: the required feeding and clothing.] And then you can seek after a wet nurse.
j So that you should avoid the stalling and the delaying of her due Nafaqa.
k But if the mother of the baby marries, then no Nafaqa is due for her afterwards, and the Nafaqa will exclusively be for the baby only; and in such instance the father has the right to take his baby from his mother.
Moreover, the "baby" here means the male and the female, and no distinction between the male and the female concerning the Nafaqa and the period of suckling and the other points mentioned in this aya.
The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
They don't use lawyers. Three old men decide the fate of the woman, in Sharia. They decide whether she will be beheaded, stoned to death of or receive 100 lashes.
That is the outcome of divorce proceedings among these savages.
That is the outcome of divorce proceedings among these savages.
maybe you need to summarize a bit. very few are going to read a damn book in a forum.
"When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?' 'Haven’t you read,' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." (Matthew 19:1-6 NIV)
In the example above, Jesus candidly states that marriage is from God. Do you adjudge Jesus to be foolish, AG?
So, what you, and Jesus confirmed, not ALL laws written down in the OT are God's laws. Some are man's laws. Correct?
The old guys under law are divorce courts then. The available decisions quite sever.
All OT laws are God's laws, Gerry. Some are for ancient Israel. All of them point us to Christ.
The most *interesting* part of everything you post, Selfsame.
The INTERPRETATION is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly - a man.
So automatically two things, one this is one person's interpretation of the Qur'an and second it's done so by a male who will automatically be biased.
Yeah, not believing your holy book any more than I believe stuff in the bible. For a lot of the same reasons, too.
But you just quoted from the NT where it states that the law concerning divorce as pronounced by Moses was NOT God's law. God's law does not allow for divorce. Or has Mathew misquoted what Jesus said? It can't be both ways.
A person would have to believe the bible is what you say it is and that Jesus existed to answer that question. It is a loaded question in your favour. If the bible was written by men to control people and therefor is not the word of god, then it is a silly question.
The only sin is the sin of self hatred. Guilt is a sin of self hatred. You keep asking people who do not believe in the bible what they think of your interpretation of it.
Please post the NT verse(s) you reference, gerry where God states that His law is not His law.
"If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand." (Mark 2:24 NIV)
Actually, all I need to do is quote YOUR post, where YOU made the statement. I'll even highlight it for you.
See where it says that Moses wrote the law, which is in contradiction to God's law. So, again, does this mean there are "laws" in the OT that are NOT God's law?
I know many people besides myself who hold a biblical worldview, Cliffy. This is not an anomaly, but the norm in some of my social settings.
What is your understanding of sin, Cliffy?
Context. To whom is Jesus speaking in these verses, Gerry?
The OT allows divorce, Jesus stated in the NT that divorce is not allowed. God's law does not allow divorce.
You have said that the laws of the OT are all God's laws. There is a contradiction here. They can't both be God's law.
Jesus disapproved of divorce for any reason with the exception of adultery.
As he told the Jewish people.
As he told the Jewish people.
No contradiction, gerry.
"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,' Jesus replied." (Mark 10:5)
Moses is a scribe just like every other OT and NT writer. The Author is God. The scribes are recorders.
Post the verse(s) for us, LL.