Our cooling world

Walter

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More than 1,500,000 square Kilometers above the average amount of ice in the Antarctic. Holy cow that water is warm.
 

Walter

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I wish SJP (aka Waldo) was around to explain again how warmer ocean water is making more ice in Antarctic waters.
 

MHz

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I wish SJP (aka Waldo) was around to explain again how warmer ocean water is making more ice in Antarctic waters.
Buffalo and lake effect snow, now multiply that by about 1,000,000 and that is the tonnage being added to the ice and that weight is pushing the ice out to new locations rather than the ice resulting from ocean water freezing. One type ice would have air trapped by snow, the other ice would be void of the air bubbles, like the Arctic ice. (nor does it tower above the waterline as clue number 2 if it is even needed)

Get a brandy sniffer and add some ice to the middle and keep doing that, does the pile get higher only or does it spread out only or a combination of both. Repeat as many times as it take to get the results firmly embedded as there will be a test somewhere down the line.

Ice that sank the Titanic was from a glacier rather than it being sea-ice.

 

DaSleeper

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Hello flossy? Any other truthers out there.

Where's waldo?
Don't bother Flossy......he's in Conservative bashing mode right now....
Maybe after the elections, he'll put on his global warming hat......
 

AnnaG

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Cooling indeed. Around here we saw the highest temperatures recorded in decades. Last winter we had less than half the snowfall we averaged for decades. Along with that, the temperatures got to about 2/3 of those we usually get in Jan and Feb and those temps were in November. -15C in November for a week then it warmed up. we might have gotten a whole meter of snow over the winter.
This summer the temperature went above 40C and I do not remember it getting above 38 in all the time we have lived here. And the trend over the past decade has been the same; higher temps and less snow.
Some global cooling, yeah, and cheesecake isn't fattening either.
 

darkbeaver

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The Ties that Bind

Posted on September 23, 2015 by Stephen Smith
Artist’s impression of the MMS satellites. Credit: NASA


Sep 23, 2015
Earth and the Sun are joined together.
The four Magnetospheric Multiscale Satellites (MMS) were launched March 12, 2015 on a mission to study the magnetic field around Earth, especially what scientists like to call “magnetic reconnection” events. According to the theory, when magnetic field lines cross and “reconnect” through some unknown mechanism, they are supposed to detonate, releasing large quantities of heat, light and electrical energy.
The fatal flaws in magnetic reconnection theory are not the topic of this paper. Suffice to say that magnetic field lines are merely representations and are no more capable of detonation than lines of longitude are.
The MMS piggy-backs on the TIMED mission that was launched in 2001. The Thermosphere Ionosphere Mesosphere Energetics and Dynamics spacecraft is currently in orbit, analyzing solar influences on Earth, especially the Mesosphere and Lower Thermosphere/Ionosphere (MLTI), a region near 60-180 kilometers in altitude.
The highest levels of the atmosphere are not well understood, especially the thermosphere where the Sun’s energy begins to interact with atmospheric particles. Just how this relationship works continues to be investigated, however TIMED detected a tenfold decline in the thermosphere’s temperature since 2002.
TIMED measured the amount of ultraviolet light from the Sun, finding a significant decrease since the start of solar minimum. The amount of infrared radiation emitted by nitric oxide molecules also declined, implying that the upper atmosphere cooled over the course of solar minimum.
Temperatures in the thermosphere are dependent on solar radiation. Extreme ultraviolet light is absorbed by the residual oxygen and becomes electrically charged, with increasing molecular motion. Fast molecular motion is known as heat, so even though a household thermometer would register temperatures below zero in the thermosphere, it is considered hot, sometimes reaching over 1500 Celsius during solar maximum.


The MMS constellation, as well as others scheduled for launch before the end of the decade (the Geospace Electrodynamic Connections mission and the Magnetospheric Constellation missions), are part of a widespread, international consortium known as the Global Electric Circuit Project:
“We will do this through development of improved understanding of processes controlling the charge and discharge of electrified clouds, the electrical coupling between the atmosphere and ionosphere, and the flow of current throughout the system.”
The 22 year solar cycle is now known to energize Earth’s climate: Earth’s environment is part of a circuit in the Solar System with the Sun as the primary electrode. Although solar energy varies over time, corresponding with sunspot cycles, that variance amounts to less than one-tenth of one percent. Electricity from space is injected into the thermosphere from charged particles emitted by the Sun (otherwise called the solar wind) speeding along massive Birkeland currents through a closed circuit. When solar winds are at a minimum, the electric currents decline in amperage, thereby decreasing the strength of Earth’s magnetosphere.
As the magnetosphere declines in strength, it is less able to deflect energetic ions arriving from deep space known as cosmic rays. Cosmic rays are charge carriers, and those ions are able to reach the troposphere. Collisions between charged and neutral particles drag air molecules along with them influencing low level cloud cover. More clouds reflect more radiation from the Sun back to space—clouds are white because they are acting like mirrors to all forms of visible light. More reflection means less solar energy, more cloud cover, and so on.
Solar maximum is now considered to be over, and the Sun is returning to a more passive state. The correspondence between the Sun’s electric field strength, cosmic rays, Earth’s magnetosphere, cloud cover, and climate are continuing to be investigated. Electric Universe advocates expect further confirmation of the connection.
Stephen Smith

http://sisko.colorado.edu/FESD/MeetPresentFiles/2013.GEC.3.21.pdf

Earths electric circuit.
 

darkbeaver

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Cooling indeed. Around here we saw the highest temperatures recorded in decades. Last winter we had less than half the snowfall we averaged for decades. Along with that, the temperatures got to about 2/3 of those we usually get in Jan and Feb and those temps were in November. -15C in November for a week then it warmed up. we might have gotten a whole meter of snow over the winter.
This summer the temperature went above 40C and I do not remember it getting above 38 in all the time we have lived here. And the trend over the past decade has been the same; higher temps and less snow.
Some global cooling, yeah, and cheesecake isn't fattening either.


The last two years in a row we've had more snow and two weeks more winter late springs and wet early summer and then higher temps than usual for more consequcutive days right now we're enjoying an extended August very nice and warn, quite a differential between daytime and nighttime temps. I expect an horrific winter in much of the Northern hemisphere.
 

AnnaG

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We had a pretty wet Aug and early Sept. That's not usual. But it is cooling around here now. That IS usual as we are approaching winter.
 

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We had a pretty wet Aug and early Sept. That's not usual. But it is cooling around here now. That IS usual as we are approaching winter.

August in the North Okanagan was bone dry, we've had a few damp days in Sept. but only one or two where we've had substantial rain, like more than 5 or 10 mm. 1/2 hour down pours don't do a hell of a lot!

I wish the experts would make up their minds- Is the earth warming or cooling? I know Antarctica and Greenland are warming, but what about the rest of the world where PEOPLE actually live?