Surprise U.S.-China climate deal reverberates north and south

Colpy

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now you're just making shyte up! This latest clause that associates to a COP agreement... the one that has you in such a flap... that has nothing whatsoever to do with any underlying due diligence type monitoring of nation results on their commitments. I suggest you save yourself any further embarrassment and actually review the measures in prior agreements that actually deal with the practical mechanics of monitoring and confirming respective nations pledged emission reduction commitments.

Seriously, are you really stupid enough to believe that any monitoring will make any difference?

How did Kyoto work out? lol

And now you are talking about China....

Gullible. Wow.

Much as I hate to admit it waldo is right this once. CHina today is much worse than it ever was. In daze of old they never pretended to be anything but repressive thugs.

Sorry, I don't understand this at all.
 

waldo

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Thanks for that!!

China's emissions go up, the emissions of the USA go down. Until Chinese emissions are 3 times those of the USA............that is IF the Chinese keep their word. Good luck with that.

Brilliant.

is this your way of saying you were... wrrrrrrrong? You expect an immediate turn-around... a simple turn-off of the emissions pipe? It takes time to implement alternative measures, particularly those with huge infrastructure requirements! That's why China must start on those shifts immediately! How myopically ignorant of anyone to simply presume that a peak target can be met by "doing NOTHING"! :lol:

Oh US emissions of fallen solely due to the use of FRACKED NG..........something else the brain-dead left hates.

no - an impact but not the only impact... but hey now, care to comment on methane emissions associated with fracking? You know, the GHG significantly more potent than CO2.

Anyone that thinks nuclear is non emitting needs their head examined. Most dangerous energy source known to man.

Maybe that is why people like waldo are so down on carbon fuel. They got shares in the nu clear industry.

what an absolute ignorantly stupid comment... in a focused discussion on carbon emissions, let 'taxi' trundle forward and introduce nuclear in that context! :mrgreen:
 

Colpy

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is this your way of saying you were... wrrrrrrrong? You expect an immediate turn-around... a simple turn-off of the emissions pipe? It takes time to implement alternative measures, particularly those with huge infrastructure requirements! That's why China must start on those shifts immediately! How myopically ignorant of anyone to simply presume that a peak target can be met by "doing NOTHING"! :lol:



no - an impact but not the only impact... but hey now, care to comment on methane emissions associated with fracking? You know, the GHG significantly more potent than CO2.

No. I expect the leader of the free world to grow a brain and not make unenforceable idiotic deals with despots that restrict his own movements while giving them free reign.
 

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Seriously, are you really stupid enough to believe that any monitoring will make any difference?

How did Kyoto work out? lol

And now you are talking about China....

Gullible. Wow.



Sorry, I don't understand this at all.

Which part? waldo being right? that is kind of like a monkey with a typewriter will eventually turn our a novel.
The part of China still being thugs? In daze of old they never pretended to be anything other than a repressive evil regime, on par with N Korea only bigger. Now they are still repressive as ever but try to hide behind a veneer of respectability by pretending to run independent businesses and calling themselves progressive and democratic. They are still evil and repressive. Got the leftys fooled so I guess it worked.
 

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Which part? waldo being right? that is kind of like a monkey with a typewriter will eventually turn our a novel.
The part of China still being thugs? In daze of old they never pretended to be anything other than a repressive evil regime, on par with N Korea only bigger. Now they are still repressive as ever but try to hide behind a veneer of respectability by pretending to run independent businesses and calling themselves progressive and democratic. They are still evil and repressive. Got the leftys fooled so I guess it worked.

When it comes to China the UN and alarmists are cowards.
 

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Yeah...tell it to Tibet, to the political prisoners, to those promised continued democracy in Hong Kong, to the Falun Gong, to the Christian church in China, to the Dalai Lama, to the dead of Tianamen Square.....your accusations against Harper mask you own lefty need to love dictatorship, just like your brain-dead hero, the guy who admires not just China, but that dictatorship.

Harper makes trade deals, the world being what it is, he is doing the best for our economy.

Trudeau praises mass murderers.

you've done this magic shift several times now... you play off the "mass murders of a "hundred million" of the long past China", and when you're called on it as to its relevance to the China of today, you revert back to reality, to the China of today. But really, c'mon... just how oppressive can China be if your boy Harper is so all about Chinese trade and local Chinese investment in Canada... your boy Harper doesn't have any qualms in massaging that Chinese Dic, right?
 

taxslave

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is this your way of saying you were... wrrrrrrrong? You expect an immediate turn-around... a simple turn-off of the emissions pipe? It takes time to implement alternative measures, particularly those with huge infrastructure requirements! That's why China must start on those shifts immediately! How myopically ignorant of anyone to simply presume that a peak target can be met by "doing NOTHING"! :lol:



no - an impact but not the only impact... but hey now, care to comment on methane emissions associated with fracking? You know, the GHG significantly more potent than CO2.



what an absolute ignorantly stupid comment... in a focused discussion on carbon emissions, let 'taxi' trundle forward and introduce nuclear in that context! :mrgreen:

See your post #550
You introduced nu clear as a non polluting alternative to carbon. I simply pointed out that as usual you are full of $hit.
 

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Colpy

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you've done this magic shift several times now... you play off the "mass murders of a "hundred million" of the long past China", and when you're called on it as to its relevance to the China of today, you revert back to reality, to the China of today. But really, c'mon... just how oppressive can China be if your boy Harper is so all about Chinese trade and local Chinese investment in Canada... your boy Harper doesn't have any qualms in massaging that Chinese Dic, right?

Executions of religious prisoners for their organs, support for every imaginable monstrous dictatorship on earth (North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Iran) etc etc etc.

You just love it when the Chinese get all butch, don't you??

You and Justin.

I would much prefer China to have been isolated economically and contained militarily. I consider the opening of China to the west to be one of the greatest mistakes of the 20th century.

Unfortunately, very few agree with me, and the west (including Harper) love to deal with the devil.

But he, at least, only sells them stuff.......he doesn't get all gooey inside when they put on the jackboots and show the whip.....that would be you and Justin.
 

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Seriously, are you really stupid enough to believe that any monitoring will make any difference?

How did Kyoto work out? lol

And now you are talking about China....

Gullible. Wow.

Kyoto worked out quite well... like I said, save yourself further embarrassment and review the practical measures that exist in the agreements to monitor and confirm actual emission reductions. Why, they were so good that your boy Harper had to formally pull Canada from the treaty to avoid the $14Billion (minimum) penalty for failing to meet Canada's Kyoto commitment.

here's the thing Colpy... in 2006 your boy Harper announced to Canadians his "made in Canada" emission reduction strategy/plan... his rationalization for ignoring Kyoto. Of course, Harper then proceeded to do nothing with his own pledge to Canadians. Then Colpy... then Harper did it again when he formally announced to Canadians that he wanted to tie Canada's subsequent pledge in 2010 to that of the U.S. (the so-called harmonization)... to which Harper pledged to Canadians a 17% reduction in emissions from 2005 levels by 2020. And then Colpy... your boy Harper proceeded to ignore that pledge to Canadians as well! Colpy... that's 2 separate pledges that Harper made to Canadians (outside and separate from anything to do with the Kyoto Protocol treaty)... and Harper pissed on them both. Don't ask about how Kyoto worked out... unless you're prepared to step-up and recognize your boy Harper pledged emission reductions twice to Canadians... and he's totally ignored taking required measures to actually meet his pledges... to Canadians!
 

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Kyoto worked out quite well... like I said, save yourself further embarrassment and review the practical measures that exist in the agreements to monitor and confirm actual emission reductions. Why, they were so good that your boy Harper had to formally pull Canada from the treaty to avoid the $14Billion (minimum) penalty for failing to meet Canada's Kyoto commitment.

here's the thing Colpy... in 2006 your boy Harper announced to Canadians his "made in Canada" emission reduction strategy/plan... his rationalization for ignoring Kyoto. Of course, Harper then proceeded to do nothing with his own pledge to Canadians. Then Colpy... then Harper did it again when he formally announced to Canadians that he wanted to tie Canada's subsequent pledge in 2010 to that of the U.S. (the so-called harmonization)... to which Harper pledged to Canadians a 17% reduction in emissions from 2005 levels by 2020. And then Colpy... your boy Harper proceeded to ignore that pledge to Canadians as well! Colpy... that's 2 separate pledges that Harper made to Canadians (outside and separate from anything to do with the Kyoto Protocol treaty)... and Harper pissed on them both. Don't ask about how Kyoto worked out... unless you're prepared to step-up and recognize your boy Harper pledged emission reductions twice to Canadians... and he's totally ignored taking required measures to actually meet his pledges... to Canadians!

Proving that pledges by politicians are useless and unenforceable. And you think CHina will live up to theirs?
 

Colpy

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Kyoto worked out quite well... like I said, save yourself further embarrassment and review the practical measures that exist in the agreements to monitor and confirm actual emission reductions. Why, they were so good that your boy Harper had to formally pull Canada from the treaty to avoid the $14Billion (minimum) penalty for failing to meet Canada's Kyoto commitment.

here's the thing Colpy... in 2006 your boy Harper announced to Canadians his "made in Canada" emission reduction strategy/plan... his rationalization for ignoring Kyoto. Of course, Harper then proceeded to do nothing with his own pledge to Canadians. Then Colpy... then Harper did it again when he formally announced to Canadians that he wanted to tie Canada's subsequent pledge in 2010 to that of the U.S. (the so-called harmonization)... to which Harper pledged to Canadians a 17% reduction in emissions from 2005 levels by 2020. And then Colpy... your boy Harper proceeded to ignore that pledge to Canadians as well! Colpy... that's 2 separate pledges that Harper made to Canadians (outside and separate from anything to do with the Kyoto Protocol treaty)... and Harper pissed on them both. Don't ask about how Kyoto worked out... unless you're prepared to step-up and recognize your boy Harper pledged emission reductions twice to Canadians... and he's totally ignored taking required measures to actually meet his pledges... to Canadians!

Yeah....it worked out so well we pulled out, because we like a good economy and did not want to throw away several billion dollars.

A HUGE success!!

Oh, and most of the growth of GHGs in Canada took place under Chretien, who was simply a Liberal liar with no intention of living up to Kyoto.........
 

waldo

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See your post #550
You introduced nu clear as a non polluting alternative to carbon. I simply pointed out that as usual you are full of $hit.

you dullard! Again, if you want to whine about the risks of nuclear do so in another discussion... this focus is on carbon emissions.

Unfortunately, very few agree with me, and the west (including Harper) love to deal with the devil.

But he, at least, only sells them stuff.......he doesn't get all gooey inside when they put on the jackboots and show the whip.....that would be you and Justin.

good on ya for acknowledging Harper's luv of the Chinese Dic! When you say "selling them stuff" you're not just talking trade, right? You're also including the "selling" of Canadian companies to China, as well... right? :mrgreen:

again, your purposeful out-of-context play over the JT comment has been well discussed... you sure are showing a pattern of this aren't you? You shifted over to Leslie in that same regard... who do have in your sights next?