Israel's genocide of Palestine

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petros

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As long as one takes no physical action, nor incites to violence, that is absolutely correct.

We are very very lucky to be able to speak our minds, if some one trys to take that away, the line to sign up to fight to maintain that right forms behind me.
 

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You are absolutely ignoring what I am saying

Do the math.

The birthrate in Palestine contributed to a four fold increase in population, from about 1 million to about 4 million between 1970 and 2014.

This doesn't mean anything, the country with the highest birth rate in the world is Niger. In other words, this is no indication of a prosperous population.

According to UN statistics, between 1950 and 1965 the number of deaths in Palestine remains stable at about 19,000 per year.

Then, in 1967, Israel takes over........and between 1965 and 1970, the average number of deaths DROPS by 3,000 per year.

Between 1970 and 1975, the number of deaths drops by ANOTHER 2,000 per year..........meanwhile, the population begins a growth spurt.

Nonetheless, Between 1975 and 1980, the number of deaths once again drops by ANOTHER 1,000 per year, as the population grows rapidly......

Between 1980 and 1985, another drop of 2,000 deaths a year, even though the population is booming........and stabilizes at 11,000 per year until 1995.........when it begins to go up slightly. Remember the population these deaths occur in has obviously doubled or tripled.........

Until in 2005 to 2010, the rate is 14,000 per year, despite pitched battles.

Compare death rates: in 1965 - 19,000 out of 1 million people, or 1900 out of 100,000 per year
Compare death rates: in 2010 - 14,000 out of 4 million people, or 350 out of 100,000 per year.

In other words, the DEATH RATE in Palestine was well over FIVE TIMES worse BEFORE Israel took it over.


How the hell are you citing the U.N when all you call them are Jew haters and anti-Israel..? Now you want to use their statistics to mindlessly defend Israel... Wow.
Here's a stat for you:

Operation Protective Edge
Israeli deaths = 43 IDF, 2 civilians
Palestinian deaths = 1,062 (mainly civilians)

How are you justifying such heavy casualties like this? This is becoming the trademark of Israel, wholesale slaughter of civilians. It's completely indefensible. At some point you've got to stop being a irrational lunatic and at least acknowledge the absolute OBVIOUS fact that Israel is not cautious AT ALL when it comes to protecting innocent Palestinian civilians.
 

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... Much like the way that you 'forget' about the thousands of missiles that land in Israel each and every year
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I'm not forgetting, but when its impact on causalities is basically nothing in comparison to what Israel's indiscriminate bombardment on Gaza not to mention their illegal settlements in the west bank, I think we need to get our priorities straight.
 

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I'm not forgetting, but when its impact on causalities is basically nothing in comparison to what Israel's indiscriminate bombardment on Gaza not to mention their illegal settlements in the west bank, I think we need to get our priorities straight.
How many times is someone allowed to shoot at you and miss before you are allowed to shoot back????
 

petros

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There is no way to properly use those stats to prove a point for or against unless they are broken into Gaza and West Bank and pre and post conflict.
 

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These people want there rightful borders back, there land, there homes, compensation for there losses, security, water rights, access to there rightful capital Jerusalem, Palestinian freedom of movement,and resolving Palestinian claims of a right of return for their refugees, stoping the seige in gaza and returning Palestinian prisoners home. They want there freedom! How dare a country that didn't exist 66 years ago restrict the rightful owners of that land? Palestinian Jews, Muslims and Christians alike. These are all reasonable demands! This is there right, and it's worth fighting for!
 

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No matter which side you support in the Israel vs Hamas conflict, one thing is clear - Gaza is a humanitarian disaster and there will be more of them if Palestinians in GAZA continue to be governed by an outfit that wants a state of permanent war with Israel. That’s not a right or left wing agenda. It's the equivalent of permanently strapping a suicide vest to Gaza. The facts are on the ground. The death toll has surpassed 1000 people in GAZA. 4 out of 5 are not Dead Hamas fighters. Talk of pinpoint bombing attacks is getting tired and dishonest. There is NO such animal. Aerial assaults take out mostly innocents. No they aren't the equivalent of carpet bombings. They are not as brutal as what Assad has done to his people in Syria, with over 100,000 killed in that country, but there is no such thing as a pinpoint bombardment. But just as discussions of pinpoint bombings go nowhere, talk of giving Hamas more years to restock arsenals to send more rockets into Israel is also dishonest. Hamas can only be restrained by being out of government. Israel can only be restrained by not having Hamas rockets to respond to.

Experts constantly complicate the simple. Hamas wants war and Israel has no problem waging it. But it can never be a level playing field. And so, war with Israel, as Egypt and Jordan and Syria and others have found out, is a strategically non-productive position. You don’t have to take it from me. Ask the military leaders of Egypt and Jordan and Syria. Ask Mahmoud Abbas. Peace with Israel is a military and humanitarian necessity. You can bog down in moralizing and arguing about ancient history. None of that will spare further humanitarian disasters. Live in the Now, the Real and the Probable. The Palestinians require a more intelligent government. This requires not a religious conversion, but rather a political one. Hamas can generate street protests around the world. It cannot achieve safety or security or prosperity for the people of GAZA, if it's central strategy is a permanent military campaign that is unwinnable.

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This doesn't mean anything, the country with the highest birth rate in the world is Niger. In other words, this is no indication of a prosperous population.




How the hell are you citing the U.N when all you call them are Jew haters and anti-Israel..? Now you want to use their statistics to mindlessly defend Israel... Wow.
Here's a stat for you:

Operation Protective Edge
Israeli deaths = 43 IDF, 2 civilians
Palestinian deaths = 1,062 (mainly civilians)

How are you justifying such heavy casualties like this? This is becoming the trademark of Israel, wholesale slaughter of civilians. It's completely indefensible. At some point you've got to stop being a irrational lunatic and at least acknowledge the absolute OBVIOUS fact that Israel is not cautious AT ALL when it comes to protecting innocent Palestinian civilians.

You really don't want to deal with the truth, do you??

The Palestinians are much better off under the Israelis than they were under Jordan or Egypt. That is the point.

As for the current unpleasantries, Israel has a right AND A RESPONSIBILITY to defend itself and its citizens. The IDF has been pounding Gaza for almost two weeks, destroying hundreds of targets, firing thousands of high explosive rounds at Hamas equipment and fighters.

The death toll is extremely low, if you take that into consideration. The IDF has done all it can to avoid civilian casualties, while still achieving their tactical ends. Ever hear of ANY other military calling in warnings?? Doing "knock on the roof"?? No.

In 1945, with technology now 70 years old, the USA killed 100,000 Japanese in a single night's raid on Tokyo.

In 1990, on the night of Feb. 26-27, US and Canadian air assets killed an estimated 10,000 Iraqi soldiers running from Kuwait City.

The IDF COULD kill tens of thousands each night. They do not. In fact, the IDF take unnecessary losses trying to AVOID Palestinian civilian casualties.

Do you REALLY think the IDF is committing genocide??

Aside from the big picture of Israel-Palestinian relations, do you understand now how ludicrous the accusation of genocide is??

Hamas are idiots. They could have had a ceasefire BEFORE the IDF discovered all the tunnels. Now there can be no ceasefire, as the tunnels must be destroyed. Hamas could have had a ceasefire, and enjoyed the eased rules on the import of construction materials brought in 2010. But now no construction materials will be allowed in, except under very strict Israeli control, because Hamas diverts them to build military installations to allow them to attack Israel......
 

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It was the firing of the rockets by Hamas that started this particular war. No firing of rockets, no war!! That's a good start!!

There is no denying by anyone that Israel has a perfect right to defend itself.
Less than a month ago it was also promoted that Hamas kidnapped 3 children and the facts now reveal that Hamas was not involved yer all the destruction and other disrespects are based on that incident. To say Hamas is at fault for breaching a ceasefire without proof being shown cannot justify what equals 'collective punishment' when the 'whole is over 1M people'.

Israel and the US do not get to just offer opinions as truth when their track record is actually quite poor in that area. Hopefully I don't need to supply names from the past to show what happens when the citizens didn't question what the Government presented as facts. More than a little error.
 

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True story.....Years ago out moose hunting in an old logging strip, I hear a sound like two hornets going past my head and within a second....bang bang...from a hill behind me. I took a dive toward some bushes and fired a couple of quick shots in the general direction the shots came from....I gotta admit I aimed high......No more shooting came from the hill and I never went to check,...I just crawled to the next strip over and walked away....
I can guess that the Jews are aiming their missiles at the source that the rockets came from...The problem is that Hamas sets up their launchers in densely populated areas or schools ect....
 

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You are a smart man. We have seen time and again how these situations play out.
Those teens would have been worth plenty to Hamas.
And we know full well there are enough wackos in the WB to perpetrate this act.

My problem is this, a bold and unproven statement is simply not fact. Sure I can see your point but that does not make it fact.

Posted a week ago. Where were you?

Send the info to the UN
 

petros

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No matter which side you support in the Israel vs Hamas conflict, one thing is clear - Gaza is a humanitarian disaster and there will be more of them if Palestinians in GAZA continue to be governed by an outfit that wants a state of permanent war with Israel. That’s not a right or left wing agenda. It's the equivalent of permanently strapping a suicide vest to Gaza. The facts are on the ground. The death toll has surpassed 1000 people in GAZA. 4 out of 5 are not Dead Hamas fighters. Talk of pinpoint bombing attacks is getting tired and dishonest. There is NO such animal. Aerial assaults take out mostly innocents. No they aren't the equivalent of carpet bombings. They are not as brutal as what Assad has done to his people in Syria, with over 100,000 killed in that country, but there is no such thing as a pinpoint bombardment. But just as discussions of pinpoint bombings go nowhere, talk of giving Hamas more years to restock arsenals to send more rockets into Israel is also dishonest. Hamas can only be restrained by being out of government. Israel can only be restrained by not having Hamas rockets to respond to.

Experts constantly complicate the simple. Hamas wants war and Israel has no problem waging it. But it can never be a level playing field. And so, war with Israel, as Egypt and Jordan and Syria and others have found out, is a strategically non-productive position. You don’t have to take it from me. Ask the military leaders of Egypt and Jordan and Syria. Ask Mahmoud Abbas. Peace with Israel is a military and humanitarian necessity. You can bog down in moralizing and arguing about ancient history. None of that will spare further humanitarian disasters. Live in the Now, the Real and the Probable. The Palestinians require a more intelligent government. This requires not a religious conversion, but rather a political one. Hamas can generate street protests around the world. It cannot achieve safety or security or prosperity for the people of GAZA, if it's central strategy is a permanent military campaign that is unwinnable.

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The problem lies in Hebron not Gaza.

My problem is this, a bold and unproven statement is simply not fact. Sure I can see your point but that does not make it fact.



Send the info to the UN

Did you read up yet?

True story.....Years ago out moose hunting in an old logging strip, I hear a sound like two hornets going past my head and within a second....bang bang...from a hill behind me. I took a dive toward some bushes and fired a couple of quick shots in the general direction the shots came from....I gotta admit I aimed high......No more shooting came from the hill and I never went to check,...I just crawled to the next strip over and walked away....
I can guess that the Jews are aiming their missiles at the source that the rockets came from...The problem is that Hamas sets up their launchers in densely populated areas or schools ect....

If your going to fire a rocket into another country do you do it from the closest point or ???

That is probably why Montana and North Dakota are loaded with missile silos. Would it be better to fire missiles at Russia from Texas?
 

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The right to defend yourself does not mean you have the right to take away others rights. These brutal attacks are in humane, breaking both international and humanitarian rights. The Palestinians are people to, ✌️✌️✌️