Russia Prepared To Fight War Over Ukraine, Senior Government Official Admits
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Well when I talked to Steve this AM I suggested dropping as small nuke in downtown Moscow to get Putin's attention. But unfortunately he told me Canada does not have any nukes to lob and nothing running that will get one that far anyway.
It would be like civil unrest in Canada and 100's killed.. the USA would invade Canada for stability because Canada is strategically important to the USA.
Let Russia keep care of the problem in it's neighborhood and fight a civil war.. Obama is too weak, Syria and Egypt are perfect examples of Obama diplomacy. The perfect politician, just a crappy leader.
Let Russia keep care of the problem in it's neighborhood and fight a civil war.. Obama is too weak, Syria and Egypt are perfect examples of Obama diplomacy. The perfect politician, just a crappy leader.
OK certainly expendable. But how do we get him to Russia? he is kind of fat to fly and our navy is currently under tow to Hawaii.
It doesn't get more stern than this example.
Even Russia’s closest allies want no part of this. The oil-rich state of Kazakhstan, the most important member of every regional alliance Russia has going in the former Soviet space, put out a damning statement on Monday, marking the first time its leaders have ever turned against Russia on such a major strategic issue: “Kazakhstan expresses deep concern over the developments in Ukraine,” the Foreign Ministry said. “Kazakhstan calls on all sides to stop the use of force in the resolution of this situation.”
Read more: How Putin's Ukraine Invasion Is a Disaster for Russia | TIME.com How Putin's Ukraine Invasion Is a Disaster for Russia | TIME.com
Every single state in the former Soviet Union, from Central Asia to the Baltics, has a large Russian-speaking population, and this statement means that Russia reserves the right to invade when it feels that population is threatened. The natural reaction of any Russian ally in the region would be to seek security guarantees against becoming the next Ukraine. F
Read more: How Putin's Ukraine Invasion Is a Disaster for Russia | TIME.com How Putin's Ukraine Invasion Is a Disaster for Russia | TIME.com
Did you leave out the 'within International Law' but go ahead and state which ones were actually broken. Now if the took over the Eastern Ukraine in the same manner because their checkpoints were not finding explosive ladden cars that have driven across the whole country and not ever been through a check-point.
http://rt.com/news/crimea-arms-explosives-ukraine-614/
Russia’s isolation from the West will deepen dramatically. In June, Putin was planning to welcome the leaders of the G8, a club of western powers (plus Japan), in the Russian resort city of Sochi. But on Sunday, all of them announced they had halted their preparations for attending the summit in protest at Russia’s intervention in Ukraine. So much for Putin’s hard-fought seat at the table with the leaders of the western world.
Read more: How Putin's Ukraine Invasion Is a Disaster for Russia | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2014/03/03/putin-ukraine-crimea-russia/#ixzz2ux2cLW5r
We canceled the meeting, that leaves him more time to attend UN Human Rights meetings, you know the ones we have boycotted for some time now. Israel is back to that table also. 1997 was when they were admitted, just long enough to see how it actually runs (or doesn't run depending if you take the final acts into account) I'm pretty sure they can weather any sanctions the West can throw at them and as for military they could have firm control of Eastern Ukraine by 'masked gunmen' by tomorrow night. If that was 'the plan' they would not have allowed 700,000 refugees into Russia so far and are making for that process to get speedy. I assume speaking Russian would be a requirement to go in that direction.
Crimea could be opened up for refugees that are Ukraine and that would allow them to see 1st hand what 'occupation under Russia is like' and the vote in may would establish of Russian troops take up station in certain districts and the UN picks up the tab because it is citizens who don't speak Russian (and those that do) who want martial law with Russian troops until they can get a government into place that is sensitive to the wants of the majority of the citizens and are tracked close enough that 'extra money' is easy to spot. It might be the first elected government that agrees to be chipped just so they can't be blackmailed.
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Do you think that they all sat up and took note of the excuses used. What country were they pillaged by?
Appears all of them.
Now as gas-oil pipelines come on line, many will bypass Russian control, the EU will not be held hostage to Russia being the major supplier of NG. So look to the long term.
Putin just made a whole bunch of former Republics quite nervous. They see the feeble excuse used, know his tactics well, the Treaty Russia signed guaranteeing Ukraine's borders is what 20 years old. That was quickly set aside.
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The people of the Crimea welcomed the Russians because most have Russian
heritage. Tough. This is so reminiscent of the German invasion of Poland cause
you guessed many were of German heritage.
That is like saying France can attack Quebec and Canada as most people there
are French. Or America can invade Calgary as many Americans live there.
The Northern part of Poland had a large German population but that didn't mean
Germany could invade them. That case under international law has been proven.
I have another point here some say America has been around too long with too
much power. Let us consider all the alternatives. would you really like Russia
setting the Agenda? Maybe China what about that stellar crowd. Or better yet how
about Saudi Arabia or North Korea? When you compare alternatives, even with all
its warts and foibles America is still preferred. Yes America is dysfunctional and at
time nuttier than a fruit cake, and we aren't? Canada and America have had some
good relations and some not so good but we both are quite happy we are neighbors
heritage. Tough. This is so reminiscent of the German invasion of Poland cause
you guessed many were of German heritage.
That is like saying France can attack Quebec and Canada as most people there
are French. Or America can invade Calgary as many Americans live there.
The Northern part of Poland had a large German population but that didn't mean
Germany could invade them. That case under international law has been proven.
I have another point here some say America has been around too long with too
much power. Let us consider all the alternatives. would you really like Russia
setting the Agenda? Maybe China what about that stellar crowd. Or better yet how
about Saudi Arabia or North Korea? When you compare alternatives, even with all
its warts and foibles America is still preferred. Yes America is dysfunctional and at
time nuttier than a fruit cake, and we aren't? Canada and America have had some
good relations and some not so good but we both are quite happy we are neighbors
Since 2001? Lets keep events to this century or we are going to go back to before dirt existed.
If Russia has accepted refugees from the east of the Ukraine and they fled because of threats of harm then that is a war crime and whoever was funding the ones making the threats are the ones who be punished the hardest if found guilty at the ICC. Coming from cases filed by data (video) collected by Russia when granting people refugee status. That would also apply to military and police etc that changed sides in Crimea. North of the Republic of Crimea would be the that is part of the ritual of democracy, NATO style. That never works out very well for the locals if treasure is involved.
How about March 31 (rather than it being April 1) in Crimea and the vote is over and the decision to separate from the Ukraine and join Russia is passed/not passed what would be the difference in Crimea and in the east and west of the rest of the Ukraine. The east would seen to be in a position to adapt to the change, the west might not be willing they become IMF property. That kind of split would still allow NATO to install it's missile shield and that would mean Russia can focus on short range arms as nuclear would still make both sides a wasteland.
Let's go with Crimea voting to join Russia, would the east (and west) want that choice to be on their ballot when it comes time for them to have a vote? If they also voted to join Russia would the west let them go?
I doubt Russia is unprepared for any of the usual sanctions the West is known to levy. Go for the money is the opening 'blow' in most instances.
TIME, Goober they had to say that, they got money on that bet.
Over the long term, it will have significant negative impacts for Putin and Russia.
Play the long game.
I think this is the end of a long game. I'm not convinced it won't be the last for a very long time.
There's the missing gold to think about, if you haven't delivered what you sold and can't then you got to win the inevitable war or escape in the chaos. They say gold will go to seven thousand an OZ. I like the Chinese. The too big to jail banks have to evolve.
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Seeing how the Ukraine is in the news cycle and with both Canada’s Boy-King and the CBC waxing poetic about Russia’s great experiment – here is a video which we will never see on the CBC or in any Socialist-statist (AKA Liberal) school system – but it is must viewing for anyone who needs to understand the bloody history of soviet Russia, the Ukraine and the similarity in ideology and methodology between Hitler's national socialism and Stalinist communism.
The Soviet Story
Also:
The Voice of a Native-Born Ukrainian
The situation in Ukraine is clearly confusing for Westerners and even more confusing for their media. A little insight from a native-born Ukrainian:
Crimea has a status of autonomy, authority, and has every right to ask another state for help. But it’s not only about if they have a right or not; 60% of the population of Crimea are ethnic Russians, and among Ukrainians, quite a lot would be more than happy to become a part of Russia instead of a weak and poor Ukraine. And 12% of Tartars in a wink became pro-Russia as soon as the new PM of Crimea guaranteed them that their rights in Crimea would become wider.
The comments made in the Western media’s articles demonstrate a total lack of knowledge and understanding. I’d like to address some of these ideas.
“The Russian military is not all it’s cracked up to be. It couldn’t stand up to the West.”
Come on! It would be true if Russia invaded France or Germany. But in a clash with Russia on the territory of Russia, neither NATO nor the USA would have any chances, and the West would have counted losses by the thousands each day. You’re not Nazi Germany, and you are not accustomed to a war where thousands of your mothers would be getting notifications that “your son died a hero”. And to start a war against Russia in winter is just an act of a collective suicide.
more
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/03/03/voice-native-born-ukrainian/
Seeing how the Ukraine is in the news cycle and with both Canada’s Boy-King and the CBC waxing poetic about Russia’s great experiment – here is a video which we will never see on the CBC or in any Socialist-statist (AKA Liberal) school system – but it is must viewing for anyone who needs to understand the bloody history of soviet Russia, the Ukraine and the similarity in ideology and methodology between Hitler's national socialism and Stalinist communism.
The Soviet Story
Also:
The Voice of a Native-Born Ukrainian
The situation in Ukraine is clearly confusing for Westerners and even more confusing for their media. A little insight from a native-born Ukrainian:
Crimea has a status of autonomy, authority, and has every right to ask another state for help. But it’s not only about if they have a right or not; 60% of the population of Crimea are ethnic Russians, and among Ukrainians, quite a lot would be more than happy to become a part of Russia instead of a weak and poor Ukraine. And 12% of Tartars in a wink became pro-Russia as soon as the new PM of Crimea guaranteed them that their rights in Crimea would become wider.
The comments made in the Western media’s articles demonstrate a total lack of knowledge and understanding. I’d like to address some of these ideas.
“The Russian military is not all it’s cracked up to be. It couldn’t stand up to the West.”
Come on! It would be true if Russia invaded France or Germany. But in a clash with Russia on the territory of Russia, neither NATO nor the USA would have any chances, and the West would have counted losses by the thousands each day. You’re not Nazi Germany, and you are not accustomed to a war where thousands of your mothers would be getting notifications that “your son died a hero”. And to start a war against Russia in winter is just an act of a collective suicide.
more
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/03/03/voice-native-born-ukrainian/
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Very informative link thank you. The war is already over.
good read, sounds about right
good read, sounds about right
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The Nazis actually lost the Second World War, leading to Hitler and Eva Braun killing themselves in their Berlin bunker.
It was quite a big event at the time. Buy a book and read about it.
So I'm assuming that Canada will be sending troops there soon to take on the Russians, even though Canada is more lefty liberal than most of Europe.
Ukraine: Russian Troops Fire Warning Shots
Sky News has got footage showing a tense exchange between a group of Ukrainian and a group of Russian soldiers, leading to the Russians firing the first shots in the conflict.
At the Belbek base in Sevastopol, around a dozen Russian soldiers warned the unarmed Ukrainian servicemen - who were walking back to their base and carrying a Ukrainian flag and the Soviet flag of their regiment - to back away as they tried to take their positions back.
The unarmed Ukrainian servicemen had marched on the base
"America stands with us," a Ukrainian soldier says.
Sky's Katie Stallard, who is at the airbase, said wives and mothers of the Ukrainian servicemen were standing between the two lines to prevent any bloodshed.
She said: "There are around a dozen women, wives and mothers, standing in front of their men because they believe they (Russian soldiers) will be more reluctant to fire on them."
Ukrainian service personnel wait in a column near Belbek airbase
Some 16,000 Russian troops are on the ground in the region - a move that the US said is in a clear violation of international law.
The US has suspended all military engagements with Russia over its deployment of troops in Crimea.
Go here to see the video: Ukraine: Russian Troops Fire Warning Shots
So are those brave Canadians sending troops to Ukraine to take on the Russians or what? Or will they do sod all whilst attacking the Europeans for doing sod all?
It was Germany's fault.
Here's the relevant bit in historian Mr Hastings' brilliant article which you have either not noticed or deliberately chose not to read:
Hunt favours the notion that blame for World War I rests with Serbia — some of the army officers of this small Balkan nation supplied the guns and bombs used to kill Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914.
It is certainly true that Serbia behaved irresponsibly by promoting terrorism in the Austrian Empire.
Michael Gove declared the centenary of 1914 should be an occasion for recognising that Britain played a necessary and honourable part in resisting German militarism
But there remains no credible evidence that the Serbian government — or the Russians — were complicit in the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.
The Austrians nonetheless decided to use the outrage to justify eliminating Serbia from the map.
They sought, and received, Germany’s promise of unqualified support for smashing Serbia, even though they knew the country was under Russia’s protection.
Throughout the European crisis that followed, the Germans persistently lied, denying their complicity in the looming Austrian strike and Austria’s intention to eliminate Serbia as a state.
Throughout the month-long crisis that preceded war in July 1914, Germany was the one nation that could at any time have halted the descent to disaster, by telling the Austrians to abandon their invasion of Serbia.
Berlin did not do so because the Kaiser and his generals were bent upon securing a coup in the Balkans, even at the risk of triggering a European war — which they thought they could win.
The British had little sympathy for Serbia or Russia. It is highly doubtful Britain would have entered the 1914 continental clash but for the fact Germany set about implementing its vast war plan for smashing Russia and France by invading neutral Belgium.
The Belgians appealed for aid to Britain, a guarantor of their inviolability under an 1839 Treaty. The British government sent an ultimatum to Berlin, demanding Germany should withdraw from Belgium — which it did not.
Thus, in defence of international law and the rights of a small state faced with aggression, Britain went to war on August 4, 1914.
WWII started when Germany invaded Poland.
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Secretary General announces North Atlantic Council to meet following Poland's request for Article 4 consultations
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_107711.htm
tidbits:
US-EU Clash on How to Install a Puppet Regime in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland | Global Research
What about apologizing to Ukraine, Mrs. Nuland?Â*|Â*Oriental Review
What happens next in Ukraine? Four scenarios experts say could happen next as crisis escalates | News.com.au
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_107711.htm
tidbits:
US-EU Clash on How to Install a Puppet Regime in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland | Global Research
What about apologizing to Ukraine, Mrs. Nuland?Â*|Â*Oriental Review
What happens next in Ukraine? Four scenarios experts say could happen next as crisis escalates | News.com.au
Poland has been busy securing NG for the EU
Can Poland truly be a 'bridge' to Iran, despite EU sanctions? - World Israel News | Haaretz
Can Poland truly be a 'bridge' to Iran, despite EU sanctions? - World Israel News | Haaretz