Should the RCMP be allowed to unionize?

[darkbeaver]

Yep, discounting what you don't want to see is the mark of a fanatic, all right.

To become #1 certain concessions have been made.

German efficiency. For all their attempts, and increasing tech capabilities, nobody has ever quite matched the kill rate of the Nazis.

The Bolshivics became the premier murderers of the planet before the SS existed and have only recently been eclipsed by our western efforts of cultivation in the modern era. True the carnage has been off shored but that is likely to change in the very near future. This summer I suspect. When the dollar collapses then the SS will be forgotten for a thousand years. Look at the numbers of people in direct competition to the wealthy elites permanent security needs. We ain't seen nothing yet.

In a Union the abuses against females wouldn't exist and the old boys club that ignores the abuses goes bye bye.. There is no recourse for any abuses in a Union. If you're punted from the Union you're punted from being in the RCMP.

The Mounties are heavily compromised by Israeli infiltration, similarly all other western security services have the same disease. All lines of communication terminate in Israel. Even this one.

 

[Cannuck]

Meh. I make more outside of government than I did inside government. For clerks and stuff, you do better in government. As you move up the pay scale the advantage moves to the private sector. The pension is a big attractor, but eventually, it's not even worth it for that, especially since the work environment isn't great in government--too many managers. BC government has trouble hanging on to engineers. They are paying them like $60-70 Grand, but engineners are making $110K in Alberta for moderate experience.

Ya, I gotta laugh at those that think government workers are so well paid. I made my bucks in the private sector and certainly didn't take my current job for the remuneration. As for union, I make the same as non-union workers in the same position in the two nearest municipalities.

WHat government agency other than schools does not have a monopoly? And even they have to follow government guidelines. SOme like Canada post even have a law prohibiting competition. We can't even get off this island without using a ferry run by government employees that have been known to hold us hostage for their pay demands.

Whether the agency has a monopoly is a faulty argument. The real question is whether the agency has the ability to hire within or outside the public service. My dad was a consultant with Air Command. The feds could easily hire outside firms to do that...in fact they did eventually. Many municipalities are farming out their utility operations. Epcor is doing very well in that respect. I laughed when you mentioned Canada Post. That's always the whipping boy for the anti-union/sky-is-falling crowd. You do realize that it's obsolete and you don't need them?

 

[taxslave]

Again I ask, how are reasonable issues like harassment, abuse of authority, pay rates addressed.
Must have missed the answers????

Most of that is addressed in law. Perhaps saying no to unions is too broad, but certainly not the traditional union model and most definitely no right to strike. I'm thinking more along the lines of an association to represent members interests but not as a bargaining agent.

 

[Goober]

Most of that is addressed in law. Perhaps saying no to unions is too broad, but certainly not the traditional union model and most definitely no right to strike. I'm thinking more along the lines of an association to represent members interests but not as a bargaining agent.

A number of unions do not have the right to strike.
Also a problem with binding arbitration is the arbitrator tries to slice it down the middle.
Perhaps each side submits their proposal and the arbitrator can only pick one?
I do agree that the present system does not and is not fair to the Officers.

 

[petros]

Most of that is addressed in law.

Good luck getting past the old boys club.

 

[taxslave]

Not at all surprised you admire the SS.


Negative, that's a closed shop. A union shop is one where you must be a union member to get hired in the first place.

Not in Canada. Here an open shop is one where anyone with the right credentials can get a job and then they must join the union. Closed shop means job vacancies are filled through union dispatch.

Ya, I gotta laugh at those that think government workers are so well paid. I made my bucks in the private sector and certainly didn't take my current job for the remuneration. As for union, I make the same as non-union workers in the same position in the two nearest municipalities.



Whether the agency has a monopoly is a faulty argument. The real question is whether the agency has the ability to hire within or outside the public service. My dad was a consultant with Air Command. The feds could easily hire outside firms to do that...in fact they did eventually. Many municipalities are farming out their utility operations. Epcor is doing very well in that respect. I laughed when you mentioned Canada Post. That's always the whipping boy for the anti-union/sky-is-falling crowd. You do realize that it's obsolete and you don't need them?

So why is it that BC Ferries cafeteria staff make $23/hr for rotten ronnies service and quality? Or government union janitors make upwards of $24 where the equivalent real world would be around $12 with no bennies. Or secretaries that make the same wages as non union tradespersons? And don't forget accumulating sick days for retirement, all out of the taxpayer's pocket.

Fact remains that taxpayers are on the hook for CP pension costs as well as footing the bill for their high wages with excessive postage rates. And their union has always fought any modernization efforts because it might cost jobs. Part of what put them in this position.

 

[JLM]

Most of that is addressed in law. Perhaps saying no to unions is too broad, but certainly not the traditional union model and most definitely no right to strike. I'm thinking more along the lines of an association to represent members interests but not as a bargaining agent.

I think there is a good role for Unions........................safety issues!

 

[lone wolf]

How'd that work for the SS?

Quite well, actually - for the SS and for as long as the regime lasted. Not so well for anyone who opposed the regime

 

[JLM]

Not in Canada. Here an open shop is one where anyone with the right credentials can get a job and then they must join the union. Closed shop means job vacancies are filled through union dispatch.



So why is it that BC Ferries cafeteria staff make $23/hr for rotten ronnies service and quality? Or government union janitors make upwards of $24 where the equivalent real world would be around $12 with no bennies. Or secretaries that make the same wages as non union tradespersons? And don't forget accumulating sick days for retirement, all out of the taxpayer's pocket.

Fact remains that taxpayers are on the hook for CP pension costs as well as footing the bill for their high wages with excessive postage rates. And their union has always fought any modernization efforts because it might cost jobs. Part of what put them in this position.

I believe ALL Canadians as long as they have the qualifications and are physically and mentally able, should have equal rights to any job and Union membership should be optional.

 

[petros]

Not in Canada. Here an open shop is one where anyone with the right credentials can get a job and then they must join the union. Closed shop means job vacancies are filled through union dispatch.



So why is it that BC Ferries cafeteria staff make $23/hr for rotten ronnies service and quality? Or government union janitors make upwards of $24 where the equivalent real world would be around $12 with no bennies. Or secretaries that make the same wages as non union tradespersons? And don't forget accumulating sick days for retirement, all out of the taxpayer's pocket.

Fact remains that taxpayers are on the hook for CP pension costs as well as footing the bill for their high wages with excessive postage rates. And their union has always fought any modernization efforts because it might cost jobs. Part of what put them in this position.

Who owns BC Ferries?

 

[JLM]

Who owns BC Ferries?

British Columbian taxpayers?

 

[petros]

Apparently nobody does.

 

[Nuggler]

Not at all surprised you admire the SS.


Negative, that's a closed shop. A union shop is one where you must be a union member to get hired in the first place.

Beg to differ, Boner. A union shop is one where you must belong to the union after you get hired.

Apparently nobody does.

Do fairies not have freedom. ?






A closed shop is one that went south because the management drove it into the ground..........so now it's closed............ha ha, eh. Oh yuk yuk also

 

[Cannuck]

So why is it that BC Ferries cafeteria staff make $23/hr for rotten ronnies service and quality? Or government union janitors make upwards of $24 where the equivalent real world would be around $12 with no bennies. Or secretaries that make the same wages as non union tradespersons? And don't forget accumulating sick days for retirement, all out of the taxpayer's pocket.

Fact remains that taxpayers are on the hook for CP pension costs as well as footing the bill for their high wages with excessive postage rates. And their union has always fought any modernization efforts because it might cost jobs. Part of what put them in this position.

I have no knowledge when it comes to BC mismanagement. What I can only say is that if the food and the service sucks on the ferries, that is the fault of management and not of the workers. Secondly, you seem to think 23/hour is a good wage. I feel sorry for you. Perhaps your views on unions have more to do with your ****ty lot in life.

My old next-door neighbour had the contract to clean the local school. He used to be employed by the school board but then they contracted out. He loves it....makes more, works less. I think the problem isn't so much unions in BC but maybe you people are just incapable of managing your own affairs. I can't think of anywhere else where a tradesperson makes what a secretary makes. Don't blame the unions in BC. Blame the people that negotiated it and the stupid tradespeople that work in BC instead of coming to Alberta and making some real money.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Beg to differ, Boner. A union shop is one where you must belong to the union after you get hired.






Do fairies not have freedom. ?






A closed shop is one that went south because the management drove it into the ground..........so now it's closed............ha ha, eh. Oh yuk yuk also

You may be right. I think we have a terminology thing going on. In the U.S., an "open" shop is where you may but are not required to join the union, a "closed" shop is where you must join the union within a specified amount of time after being hired, and a "union" shop is one where only union members can be hired (union shops are illegal in the U.S.).

A couple of people have said that Canadian terminology is different. So, my bad. This being a Canadian issue, Canadian terminology applies.

 

[Goober]

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[Liberalman]

Yes the police are unionized in Toronto and they are the highest paid police force in the country

 

[mentalfloss]

Why wouldn't they be allowed to unionize?

Whether it's a worthwhile endeavour is the real question.

 

[Goober]

Why wouldn't they be allowed to unionize?

Whether it's a worthwhile endeavour is the real question.

You have read of the abuse in the Force?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You have read of the abuse in the Force?

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if a million souls suddenly cried out, and then were silent."

As far as unionizing the Mounties, you should do what the U.S. does.


No, seriously.


Let me explain.


I'm not kidding.


Quit laughing, dammit!