Woman is the root cause of all of man’s and God’s woes.

[Blackleaf]

Genesis one says specifically that women were CREATED in OUR image and likeness. Male AND female.

That depends on whose translation you believe.


The fact is that only Man is created in God's image. He was around BEFORE Woman, and he was created in the image of God in EVERY way, including gender. When God made an image of himself iN EVERY way - including the gender he sees Himself as - what did he make? A MAN.


When God showed himself to the people 2000 years ago he showed himself in His image - as a MAN, NOT as a woman,.


A woman's womanness means she CANNOT be an exact image of God. If she was an exact image of god a woman would be a man, but clearly she isn't.

 

[karrie]

And excuse misandry?

you let the misogyny slide. hypocrite

 

[Blackleaf]

you let the misogyny slide. hypocrite

Yeah. The only difference being I get criticised for "misogyny", yet misandry by those very same women on here who are only too quicky to attack "misogyny" whenever they see it goes unpunished. Except when I see it, of course.

 

[barra]

Life comes out of the woman but it takes both female and male to create life therefore god must be hermaphrodite.


You forgot the JW version.

Maybe God is both male and female or a term we do not understand. Many possibilities can be theorized about the origin of humankind.

But for now we have direct evidence that both men and women are necessary to create another human being. That debate has been tested by cloning of female mammals. But it does not make it right.

Men are required, but women are the ones who form and birth babies. I do not know why some - not you - insist on having such a problem believing that women always birthed babies.

The only reason for Adam and Eve myth is to perpetuate male supremacy and female weakness. But we all NEED each other. Not one lording over the other, but working in unity.

 

[Cliffy]

That depends on whose translation you believe.


The fact is that only Man is created in God's image. He was around BEFORE Woman, and he was created in the image of God in EVERY way, including gender. When God made an image of himself iN EVERY way - including the gender he sees Himself as - what did he make? A MAN.


When God showed himself to the people 2000 years ago he showed himself in His image - as a MAN, NOT as a woman,.


A woman's womanness means she CANNOT be an exact image of God. If she was an exact image of god a woman would be a man, but clearly she isn't.

Your argument is a circle jerk. Me thinks you are thinking with your pecker head and not your brain.

 

[Blackleaf]

Maybe God is both male and female or a term we do not understand.

That's just modern PC reasoning to try and get around the fact that when God first created a human being - and created him in His image - he created a MALE, showing that God sees Himself as a male.

God is NOT both male and female. If He was, then Adam - who was created in God's likeness - would have been both male and female, too. Comprendes?

The fact that Adam was male - and so, too was Jesus, who was also created in God's exact image (if God is both male and female then Jesus would have been too) - shows that God was male, and that, as a result, no woman today can be in God's image, as she is female and God isn't.

I know it offends the sensibilities of the thin-skinned PC Brigade of the modern day, who like to invent new theories and histories to support their PC views, but that's the truth. And you can't change that.

 

[JLM]

Your argument is a circle jerk. Me thinks you are thinking with your pecker head and not your brain.

Has he ever given any indication of having a brain?

 

[Cliffy]

That's just modern PC reasoning to try and get around the fact that when God first created a human being - and created him in His image - he created a MALE, showing that God sees Himself as a male.

God is NOT both male and female. If He was, then Adam - who was created in God's likeness - would have been both male and female, too. Comprendes?

The fact that Adam was male - and so, too was Jesus, who was also created in God's exact image (if God is both male and female then Jesus would have been too) - shows that God was male, and that, as a result, no woman today can be in God's image, as she is female and God isn't.

I know it offends the sensibilities of the thin-skinned PC Brigade of the modern day, who like to invent new theories and histories to support their PC views, but that's the truth. And you can't change that.

That is your truth and you are too thick to change, that much is obvious. Even the Christians on here think you are wrong.

 

[JLM]

You forgot the JW version.

Those guys are crazy, same as Latter Day Saints!

 

[Cliffy]

Those guys are crazy, same as Latter Day Saints!

I think they are all nuts (as you can see by my signature quote)

 

[barra]

That depends on whose translation you believe.


The fact is that only Man is created in God's image. He was around BEFORE Woman, and he was created in the image of God in EVERY way, including gender. When God made an image of himself iN EVERY way - including the gender he sees Himself as - what did he make? A MAN.


When God showed himself to the people 2000 years ago he showed himself in His image - as a MAN, NOT as a woman,.


A woman's womanness means she CANNOT be an exact image of God. If she was an exact image of god a woman would be a man, but clearly she isn't.

Did you start with Chapter One of the bible yet, seems you missed a huge section of creation. Remember our grammar school lessons of humankind always refers to humankind as man. That is implied for it is a male dominant and patriarchal writing, but that both men and women are part of humankind, which gets shortened to the term "man" in most historical writings.
Gen 1 "26 And God said, Let us make man in OUR IMAGE after OUR LIKENESS: and let THEM have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1" 27 And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE and FEMALE created he them.
So a contradiction exists even there.
Further, God says OUR image and OUR Likeness which immediately is followed with MALE AND FEMALE at the same time. humankind when the word "Man" is used for indicating both male and female populations. You would realize this from grammar school.
God says no name and no image exists, yet men have painted God in only a mans image and forgot that God and claimed God was a he. Whereas, we do not know and obviously if God created humans in OUR image, it means God is both male and female. Females are not some after thought or else you would not exist.

 

[petros]

That's just modern PC reasoning to try and get around the fact that when God first created a human being - and created him in His image - he created a MALE, showing that God sees Himself as a male.

God is NOT both male and female. If He was, then Adam - who was created in God's likeness - would have been both male and female, too. Comprendes?

The fact that Adam was male - and so, too was Jesus, who was also created in God's exact image (if God is both male and female then Jesus would have been too) - shows that God was male, and that, as a result, no woman today can be in God's image, as she is female and God isn't.

I know it offends the sensibilities of the thin-skinned PC Brigade of the modern day, who like to invent new theories and histories to support their PC views, but that's the truth. And you can't change that.

That sounds like something a Muzzle or Jew would say to justify woman abuse.

 

[Blackleaf]

That is your truth and you are too thick to change, that much is obvious. Even the Christians on here think you are wrong.

Yeah? So why were both Adam and Jesus male? They were created in God's exact image and they were created male. Therefore, God sees Himself as being male. Therefore women, who are FEMALE, are not created in God's image.


As for those supposed Christians on here, they are wrong.


As the Bible says:


Adam was created in the image of God and glory of God while Eve is the glory of Adam


1 Corinthians 11:7.

 

[JLM]

I think they are all nuts (as you can see by my signature quote)

I suppose, just don't want too many people all pissed off at me on the same day. -

 

[Cliffy]

Yeah? So why were both Adam and Jesus male? They were created in God's exact image and they were created male. Therefore, God sees Himself as being male. Therefore women, who are FEMALE, are not created in God's image.


As for those supposed Christians on here, they are wrong.


As the Bible says:


Adam was created in the image of God and glory of God while Eve is the glory of Adam


1 Corinthians 11:7.

Paul was a misogynist like you. He hated women and loved boys. Which would explain your silly argument.

 

[barra]

That's just modern PC reasoning to try and get around the fact that when God first created a human being - and created him in His image - he created a MALE, showing that God sees Himself as a male.

God is NOT both male and female. If He was, then Adam - who was created in God's likeness - would have been both male and female, too. Comprendes?

The fact that Adam was male - and so, too was Jesus, who was also created in God's exact image (if God is both male and female then Jesus would have been too) - shows that God was male, and that, as a result, no woman today can be in God's image, as she is female and God isn't.

I know it offends the sensibilities of the thin-skinned PC Brigade of the modern day, who like to invent new theories and histories to support their PC views, but that's the truth. And you can't change that.

Um, God needed Mary to create Jesus. Otherwise, why not just zap Jesus into being.

Also Joseph is the step father and did not impregnate Mary.

Hence God and a woman work just fine without a male body to make another male body. Oh, my, more evidence that women are the image of God and create all earthly humans. Yes, men can take part, but even God only worked directly with a woman to create the son, Jesus.

Do you not see that you can't win when it comes to WHO gave you life and what image - God is both male and female or a combination. Otherwise only men would have been created and a male womb and --- or maybe just a man, and a whole bunch more men being grown out of their ribs, like some sci fi movie.

Women have BIRTHED all humans. It is not a hard concept. And it actually would be something we would TRULY like to share the experience with men.

 

[Blackleaf]

He hated women and loved boys.

So what? Do all men have to love women? There is a view today that all men have to love all women, even the billions of women they don't know, and if they don't they "hate women" (as though hating women is bad). I don't know where this (very recent) view comes from, but it's a disturbing one. So what if he preferred males to females? He was probably just gay.

 

[Cliffy]

This sums up this debate quite nicely:

Terence McKenna - Science & Religion - YouTube

 

[barra]

Yeah? So why were both Adam and Jesus male? They were created in God's exact image and they were created male. Therefore, God sees Himself as being male. Therefore women, who are FEMALE, are not created in God's image.


As for those supposed Christians on here, they are wrong.


As the Bible says:


Adam was created in the image of God and glory of God while Eve is the glory of Adam


1 Corinthians 11:7.

Did Jesus say that? NO. He did NOT.

Genesis 1 - God created men and women.

Genesis 2 - the Lord God created Adam.

To different gods at two different events. The Lord God is not the original Creator, he is an imposter, just like you.

Exactly.

So what? Do all men have to love women? There is a view today that all men have to love all women, even the billions of women they don't know, and if they don't they "hate women" (as though hating women is bad). I don't know where this (very recent) view comes from, but it's a disturbing one. So what if he preferred males to females? He was probably just gay.

Jesus said to love all, and it is not a modern only view. Jesus says to love and even love thy enemy.

It does not mean we have to "like" everyone. Nor does it mean we accept injustice. But judging justly is critical. John 7:24.

Read Matthew 25, and 1 John 4 - Jesus most certainly says to love everyone.

 

[darkbeaver]

t is all the more difficult perhaps, because the effort is usually made to read it in the single form in which it is found in the Christian Bible, where it is condensed from earlier Babylonian epics, such as the Gilgamesh story, the Berosan Akkadian version, and the Bundahish and Zend-Avesta accounts. It needs a comparative study of the Bible narrative along side of these other sources to gain inklings of meaning not indicated in the abbreviated story in Genesis.

Genesis is not at all the creation of the world and man!
Briefly, it is a suggestive delineation of creative process in general. It is a graph or dramatic hieroglyph of life and growth as it ever takes place.

And here at once we are faced with a most incompetent translation. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

"Out of (their) primordial Being the Elohim engendered spirit and matter." To paraphrase it a little more elaborately, it might be put: "From out the depths of Infinite Being the Elohim formed the upper and the lower ranges of life." The upper and lower worlds, or heaven and earth, in ancient typology definitely connoted spirit and matter, for the upper are spiritual and the lower are material. The straight idea is: From the head source of Being the creative powers created life in its two aspects of spirit and matter.