If you took science instead of dogma in school you would know just how ridiculous that statement is.
Woman is the root cause of all of man’s and God’s woes.
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If you took science instead of dogma in school you would know just how ridiculous that statement is.
The difference between me and you is that you're obviously a henpecked husband or boyfriend who lets your wife or girlfriend and her girly mates walk all over you, slag you and other men off and you meekly allow them to get away with it.
I'm not. And I don't.
Genesis 1 - The Beginning - In the beginning God - Bible Gateway
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
It's not ridiculous.
God only created Adam in His image. Eve was created from Adam, from his rib.
Genesis 1 - God created men and women.
Genesis 2 - the Lord God created Adam.
To different gods at two different events. The Lord God is not the original Creator, he is an imposter, just like you.
I get that feeling you were created from T'aint. But closer to one than the other.
Did you not read everything I wrote? You have NOT proved that a man birthed a whole woman from his rib. Instead I neatly refuted that fable.
And it is also proven regarding cloning of the female mammals that elementary deduction of reasoning it can directly relate to human cloning. Which is only possible with a female form from her own bone dna. It is said in quiet circles that some mad scientists have tampered with human cloning and not just mammal cloning. I find that very scary and unethical btw.
Hence, the unknown is the origin how it all started in the first place. and dark beaver provided some more fascinating findings about beginning of life.
However, it all still comes down to WHO comes from WHO. And babies come from WOMBan.
A woman NEVER is birthed or formed by a man. A planting of a seed can be a planting of her own bone dna to replicate herself. Hence a woman from a mans bone is false. A woman from a womans bone, however, is a truth.
A woman could potentially have a baby without male sperm. Go to scientific journals on cloning and proofs. ut, we don't want to see things come to that.
In the end a MAN comes from a woman. Men cannot form a baby in their bodies nor birth a human.
That is my point and you cannot prove otherwise by quoting an Adam and Eve fable as if it is truth. I and others debunk any concept of a man birthing a whole woman out of his rib. And proofs are that women form and birth babies.
Ergo, the statement that a man comes from a WOMBan is TRUE.
Now, if you read back I have made a disclaimer about male and female, strengths and attributes. So please read first would be helpful. Thanks.
Re read your bible.
God created male and female in OUR image and simultaneously. (That is where darkbeavers link fits in to a degree as being plausible).
Gen 1 says God created everything, including animals, birds etc BEFORE male and female beings.
God told THEM (male and female) to rule over all the earth and living things. Read it carefully, please.
Genesis 2 written centuries later as an ADD ON. Is incorrect and contradicts the order of Genesis 1.
Adam cannot have been set on a barren land and then god said he was lonely and then created animals.
Because animals were created BEFORE humans in Genesis 1. And it is stated they were created in OUR image simultaneously and not a man first and and then animals and then a woman. So either God is wrong or the men who WROTE the bible made a huge mistake or forgot the story they created in the first place.
And the proof you must supply before we can consider the adam and eve myth is to find a man who birthed a baby, then, now or ever.
Women were NOT created in the image of God. Womanness is NOT part of God’s image. Why? Because God is male.
How do we know that God is male? Man - created BEFORE Woman - was created in God's exact image. Therefore we know that God is a male because he created Man - Adam - to be MALE: therefore God, who created Man in His image, is a male.
The ONLY time that God has shown Himself to humans was as a MALE - Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was the EXACT image of God.
Woman - Eve - is NOT in God's image, as Woman is female, unlike God, who chose to represent Himself as what we call male. Her Womanness is NOT in the image of God.
Genesis 18:21-23
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
1 Corinthians 11
7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
Men maybe created inside women today (but they also need male sperm, of course, to have a baby in their womb) but Woman was originally created from Man.
Also, I quoted what JESUS said on the matter. And most men who cannot stand that they came from a woman, will tend to find passages that are about female subjugation of which JESUS never condoned.
Btw, 7 books out of the 13 attributed to St. Paul were highly likely (as confirmed by religious biblical scholars) were NOT written by Paul, but by anonymous people. (men).
So, it is always fascinating to see which books men will run to (or women) to justify the notion that men are superior and a woman is "just his helpmate". Lets not debate the whole bible and the OT full of rape, war, and massive contradictions as to the nature of God turning all merciful one minute and vengeful, jealous, vindictive and murderous in another passage. I did make that disclaimer in my other response to you, - we do not have enough room on this board for me to start expounding on the massive contradictions and violence in the bible. Which one must glean carefully and discern that which applies to us today.
I also repeat, Jesus said no such thing about female inferiority or male superiority. Instead they are equal to Jesus. Mark 10 6-9. That is what JESUS says and St. Paul is NOT Jesus.
I'll say it again - the fact that women are female shows that they were not created in God's image. God has chosen to represent Himself as a male, and the only humans who have been created in God's likeness, including their gender, are males.
You keep skipping over Genesis ONE.
And you cannot follow the whole bible literally, so you should stop now before we really pick it all apart.
Jesus is the authority.
Bronze age men wrote the scriptures piecemeal over centuries to describe their ancient stories - some fact, some fiction and some myth. They wrote for an ancient male, about ancient males, from ancient male perspectives. So when you want to live just like they did in biblical times with their theories, then go for it.
We, however, will refer to common sense, proper discernment and interpretation or leaving some of it well in the annals of time.
If indeed Jesus is God and sadly only 4 books written about Jesus. How weird is that, Paul writes at least 7 epistles (the other 6 are in debate as to authorship). Who is Paul that he has more say than Jesus.
Is the Christian to follow God or ancient males who decide to kill someone for eating pork, or working on the Sabbath (Deut.).
Who do we follow. If Genesis says male and female are created in OUR image at the same time and to rule over all the earth? and then another person writes a blurb centuries later that contradicts that order? Who do we believe.
We can start with what we know to be true today. Babies come from women.
And we can also start to know that men would NOT exist without women. Yes, same goes for women, but it all starts inside a woman.
But God did not want competition or conflict or LORDING or DOMINANCE. God the true concept behind Jesus way, truth and life is that we collaborate. I find many do not understand the depth of that verb.
As told in some old story book written by old men many hundreds after the supposed act happened.
Men might today come from women, but so do other women. And you make it sound as though woman is some miraculous creature and that only she alone can produce another human. Those with a bit of commonsense know that this is a load of nonsense, as a woman has not a hope in hell of producing another human being without a man's sperm. It takes two to produce a child, both female AND male. The woman merely nutures it in her womb. But it takes BOTH male and female to produce another human being.
And remember that, as a whole, originally, Woman comes from Man.
Man, though, comes from God. Woman cannot have been created in God's image as the first human, Adam - a MALE - was created in God's image, including him being a male (Adam was EXACTLY in God's image, so God is male. And we also know God is male, because Jesus was). The fact that Adam was a male shows that God Himself sees himself as male. A woman being female means she cannot have been created in God's image, as she does not have God's maleness. She is not the exact image of God.
Every manual that I've seen is regularly updated every few years and yet the Bible hasn't been updated since the days of King James (as far as I know)
Life comes out of the woman but it takes both female and male to create life therefore god must be hermaphrodite.
You forgot the JW version.
If God is a hermaphrodite then so, too, would Adam have been, because he - even his GENDER - was an EXACT image of God.
This is why Woman is not as exact image of God.
Genesis one says specifically that women were CREATED in OUR image and likeness. Male AND female.
So, you are denying the first chapter for a selfish agenda. Mind you I do NOT believe all I read from an ancient bronze age male mind. I think it would be very wise for people to do likewise.
You have still not proved that a man birthed a baby, much less a human woman.
quoting an ancient text full of myth, fable, conjecture, from ancient bronze age mind is NOT proof btw.Especially one that continually contradicts itself with the messages.
So for you to expound on the passage that actually is in direct contradiction of the first chapter is not really proof of anything except indoctrination and no further research.
Which btw, is with you always - your mother birthed you, and all women birthed all humans. I do not know why that is so hard to understand or accept for many men. There is nothing wrong with that cocreation aspect of how God/Universal power designed things.
But the emperors new clothes syndrome exists in people who find that undermines their own self, which is really farthest from the intention to point out facts.
FACT babies come from women, and you came from a woman or you would not be alive and that is a beautiful miraculous thing. So as long as people deny that beauty and truth, they will find it damages others to have a world of male dominance and ancient myth theories of female subjugation.
It hurts all to stay in that ancient myth.
Whereas, look to Jesus, if indeed you are a Christian for the answers. Jesus was for equality.
The bible has 1000's of different versions since its inception. And the first manuscripts and some intact bibles exist and they were about 1400 years or more in canons - long before the King James bible.
And if you read the 1613 version of King James you will see 14 more books in it than exist today. As well as the language and idioms have changed in places.
Of course things change, as did the man made concept of God and creation and Gods power.
To think otherwise, means one has not read the bible from beginning to end. Of which I have managed more than a few times and hundreds of readings of the NT and other sources.
It does not make women superior to be the earths bearers of humans, it makes them humble.
And for you to glean any kind of superior motive in declaring the truth the a woman birthed you and all others is very confusing to me.