Maybe like Durry he's footing the whole bill. :roll:
What would be the point? I mean, let's say the General Assembly generally assembles, and declares by unanimous vote, with lots of whereases and considerings, that Canada committed genocide against the Indians, and the Security Council does likewise. What will it change?
There's a lot of truth in that. It is not, however, "the long and short of it."It's been my experience that many Canadians pay too much attention to the UN, it's a bureaucratic body that basically votes on resolutions with no teeth. Nobody adheres to their resolutions because everyone knows they cannot enforce it. The UN delegates are basically there to get drunk and **** hookers in New York. That's the long and short of it.
Wouldn't it be easier to just declare your particular position "the truth," and defend it on the internet from emotionally-motivated attacks by people as ignorant as you? (I mean "you" as a generic, not you specifically, Son.) Might could save a few pesos.To your answer, it won't matter, what matters is the quest for truth in a historical context. What happened then is then, Canadians of today have nothing to apologize for.
It's been my experience that many Canadians pay too much attention to the UN, it's a bureaucratic body that basically votes on resolutions with no teeth. Nobody adheres to their resolutions because everyone knows they cannot enforce it. The UN delegates are basically there to get drunk and **** hookers in New York. That's the long and short of it.
To your answer, it won't matter, what matters is the quest for truth in a historical context. What happened then is then, Canadians of today have nothing to apologize for.
If that's what they want, no prob...my infractomatic autogun has unlimited ammo.
It's been my experience that many Canadians pay too much attention to the UN, it's a bureaucratic body that basically votes on resolutions with no teeth. Nobody adheres to their resolutions because everyone knows they cannot enforce it. The UN delegates are basically there to get drunk and **** hookers in New York. That's the long and short of it.
To your answer, it won't matter, what matters is the quest for truth in a historical context. What happened then is then, Canadians of today have nothing to apologize for.
This is very much the reason my opinion has swung.
It wasn't just mass relocations, by threat, or outright fraud, as we saw in the recent Grassy Narrows settlement. There were concerted efforts to force assimilation, by way of mental harm (As residential school can only be described).
But how do we apply contemporary definitions to acts in antiquity?
Again, you're willing to define or deny based on money, not accuracy or truth.
There were very similar questions being asked when the Prime Minister issued apology on behalf of the government to native peoples a while back. Yes, history is history, you simply cannot change the past but at the same time the acknowledgement can still be something meaningful. I would say, regardless of whether the UN has any real teeth or not, they are still a cohesive group (of a sorts) with some aspects of official stature. I view it as purely symbolic, and symbolism can have an affect and meaning.
Along with the apology, he was supposed to throw more money..............?:roll: Or is that just me being a cynical racist.?
To your answer, it won't matter, what matters is the quest for truth in a historical context. What happened then is then, Canadians of today have nothing to apologize for.
. I can understand being upset over large payments having to be made, but blaming the victim as opposed to directing the wrath where it properly belings, at the system of government that allowed it in the first place, is baffling.
I'm not denying anything. I say over and over bad sh*t happened. What I want is a clear picture of what the indians want. You say they want truth and acknowledgement. Fine. We can take money off the table and proceed.
There's a lot of truth in that. It is not, however, "the long and short of it."
Wouldn't it be easier to just declare your particular position "the truth," and defend it on the internet from emotionally-motivated attacks by people as ignorant as you? (I mean "you" as a generic, not you specifically, Son.) Might could save a few pesos.
On the other hand, it ain't like the UN was doing anything important this week.
There were very similar questions being asked when the Prime Minister issued apology on behalf of the government to native peoples a while back. Yes, history is history, you simply cannot change the past but at the same time the acknowledgement can still be something meaningful. I would say, regardless of whether the UN has any real teeth or not, they are still a cohesive group (of a sorts) with some aspects of official stature. I view it as purely symbolic, and symbolism can have an affect and meaning.
I'll stick with cynical...for now anyway.
As far as compensatory monies go, if someone were (for example) railroaded and falsely imprisoned for a good portion of their adult lives because of corrupt or inept judicial system, I'd say they are deserving of some kind of compensation. Can't undo it, can't give someone back years, but something has to be done. I feel the exact same way regarding adult survivors of residential schools. That's not 'throwing money', that is an attempt at compensation.
Regardless, there are people that will look at either scenario, be upset at the large payouts the government is making, and blame the recipient. It's that last part where it falls apart for me. I can understand being upset over large payments having to be made, but blaming the victim as opposed to directing the wrath where it properly belings, at the system of government that allowed it in the first place, is baffling.
Canadians don't need to apologize but a little knowledge of what really happened and what is continuing to happen would go a long way to aliviate the kind of ignorant rants we get from the likes of Politicalnick. Aboriginal kids are still being abducted and families torn apart by Social Services and people should know the truth before they go flying off the handle with only bits of misinformation.The government yes, it should apologize, as an entity that existed then and now, why should Canadians apologize though? The vast majority still doesn't know about it.
Canadians don't need to apologize but a little knowledge of what really happened and what is continuing to happen would go a long way to aliviate the kind of ignorant rants we get from the likes of Politicalnick. Aboriginal kids are still being abducted and families torn apart by Social Services and people should know the truth before they go flying off the handle with only bits of misinformation.
The government yes, it should apologize, as an entity that existed then and now, why should Canadians apologize though?
The vast majority still doesn't know about it.
The problem is that addiction and dysfunction is a direct result of residential schools and the policies of the past. I know native women who were victims, who had no nurturing in the schools and were incapable of even hugging their children. They managed to beat their addiction but suffer from the guilt of not being able to be good mothers.Now, Social Services needs grounds, and records, and there are appeals etc. Families are still being torn apart, yes. But, not simply 'by social services'. The social services departments are often working in close conjunction with the bands to attempt to deal with the issues these communities face, namely addiction. Families are being torn apart by addiction, by dysfunction. Social services can't simply leave the kids in place. I know social workers in both Alberta and Saskatchewan who specialize in FN issues. I have friends who've fostered, worked group homes, and adopted. I've seen the issue from a variety of facets.
The problem is that addiction and dysfunction is a direct result of residential schools and the policies of the past. I know native women who were victims, who had no nurturing in the schools and were incapable of even hugging their children. They managed to beat their addiction but suffer from the guilt of not being able to be good mothers.