At least 10 people injured in shooting at Navy building in Washington

Kreskin

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Compare the rate of gun deaths per 100k people, Can vs US. Guess which country considers guns to be a prime cultural value?
 

petros

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Not really. Leastways not down here. Violent crime in all categories has declined close to 50% since the mid-90s. Even as gun laws have become looser.

Statistics have to be carefully cherry-picked.
I know, I've seen local crime plummet and if there is violence it's gangbanger on gangbanger which I encourage.
 

coldstream

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In the U.S. there have been 186 Mass killings in the U.S since 2006... with a total of over 900 dead. Throughout the developed West, i doubt that any other country has 10% of that rate of mass homicide and rampage killers as a percentage of population. I couldn't find any on a quick google seach.

Gee.. wonder what the difference is. :roll:
 

taxslave

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Very doubtful. It would probably be worse. This suggestion occasionally pops up from extremists after shootings. Think it through.

There has just been a shooting. Fear and probably panic are everywhere. People are trying to flee in every direction. Nobody has a clear and complete picture of what is happening. Nobody knows who are the bad guys and how many there are. Now a bunch of vigilantes shows up to add their gunfire to the milieu. They have no way of knowing who is involved or why. They have no established team structure, tactics and leader. When the police show up what do they see? How do they distinguish between good guy and bad guy? In a general gunfight who is responsible for protecting the public? How much chance do police have of catching the first shooters? Who knows which bystanders are shot by whom? When a good guy arrives at the scene with his gun drawn who does he shoot at first?

If the cops dig a bullet out of an innocent bystander and it comes from the gun of a vigilante, should he get away with the shooting? In a rule of law country the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. No reasonable person wants armed total strangers butting into a shooting and turning it into a general fire fight. It sounds more like a childish wish to play cowboy with other peoples' lives and futures. Canada doesn't need or want mass gunfights. We can catch enough on US tv and news.

In the last several school massacres how many lives would have been saved if even one teacher had a gun and knew how to use it?
You could very well wind up dead waiting for police assistance.
 

L Gilbert

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Meh, I still see no rationale behind comparing Canada to the USA as far as "gun culture" goes simply because we have different attitudes about guns and criminals are criminal wherever they are. It's a pointless argument comparing the two as much as comparing Switzerland and Japan is pointless.
 

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In the U.S. there have been 186 Mass killings in the U.S since 2006... with a total of over 900 dead. Throughout the developed West, i doubt that any other country has 10% of that rate of mass homicide and rampage killers as a percentage of population. I couldn't find any on a quick google seach.

Gee.. wonder what the difference is. :roll:
So. . . about 121 a year. In a country of 310 million. That's not even a rounding error. That's what you call "statistically insignificant."

Maybe we need to quit wringing our hands over the mass shootings and focus on the other 10,000+ gun homicides each year.
 

L Gilbert

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So. . . about 121 a year. In a country of 310 million. That's not even a rounding error. That's what you call "statistically insignificant."

Maybe we need to quit wringing our hands over the mass shootings and focus on the other 10,000+ gun homicides each year.
Or the hundreds of thousands of injuries and deaths caused by vehicle crashes (mainly due to stupidity and inattention to driving while driving). Or the hundreds of thousands of strokes and heart attacks caused by stupid dietary habits. Gun deaths in comparison to those is a small fraction.
 

darkbeaver

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Or the hundreds of thousands of injuries and deaths caused by vehicle crashes (mainly due to stupidity and inattention to driving while driving). Or the hundreds of thousands of strokes and heart attacks caused by stupid dietary habits. Gun deaths in comparison to those is a small fraction.

You forgot doctors and their drugs which combined kill a great many more people then the examples you gave.
 

L Gilbert

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Well, you went off the beam (of gun homicides and gun control). Can't blame darkbeaver for taking it further, all the way into Deep Dark Conspiracyland.

'Course, darkbeaver woulda done that if we were talking about the price of coffee in Kamloops.
Ah, but I didn't go off the beam because my intention was to point out that gun deaths are minimal in comparison to other forms yet they are sensationalised more so they get loads more attention.
You're right about the Beav, though. He has a unique way of trolling threads and propagandising.
 

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I hardly know what to say, and meanwhile Americans defend their right to own any gun they want with no restrictions. How many more of this sort of attack must happen before they demand some reasonable gun laws?

America has become a cruel, angry and violent culture. A good case could probably made that it always was. It is ruled by greed and the greenback, and corporate America calls the shots far more than the corporate elite in Western Europe, Aussie, Britain, Canada or New Zealand. The US right wing today is further to the right than at any time in the last 100 years. Fortunately the Hispanic population of the US is increasing. Experts have predicted that when the Hispanic demographic bump hits between 2016 and 2025 it will no longer be possible for a political party like the present GOP to be elected in America. That means Republicans must find some pretext to seize power between now and then or die out forever. Some people have posited that is one reason why the extreme US right is so determined to support violence in America - to create a circumstance within which seizure of power can be justified.

In the last several school massacres how many lives would have been saved if even one teacher had a gun and knew how to use it? You could very well wind up dead waiting for police assistance.

Sometimes life sucks. Just consider that to be your sacrificial contribution to a free and democratic culture. It has long been the law that the state has a legal monopoly on the legitimate use of force in a rule of law nation. That is why we have police. We do not have gun proliferation like America. Might the cops be late sometime? Yes, but overall having police being the authorized gun carriers is the best solution over all. Armed teachers in class? Not a chance. The two professions and their circumstances are incompatible. Our children do not need to be supervised by armed teachers. The unintended circumstances are too complex and unpredictable. If you need to pack a gun to feel manly, you have no business being a teacher. Besides, compared to America we have no need of armed classrooms. We do not have a gun-sick culture.