Conservatives accuse Justin Trudeau of profiting from not-for-profits
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Aw, did you sit on something sharp today that broke what little sense of humour you had hidden away?
I don't believe for one minute that billions of dollars disappeared under harper's government, and is just nowhere. Someone took it, even if they haven't found the path yet.
OTOH, you wouldn't really want Durry doing housecleaning.
" hey, wot's a bag of spilled potting soil in the bathroom more or less? Just work around it..."
THAT is why you don't let a NovaScotia lawyer buy your fighter jets ..........unless you wanna see REAL ugly in the skies..
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The $12.9 billion was spent, the government can only account for $9.8 billion of it, that's more than an accounting error. That's $3.1 billion that has gone somewhere it wasn't supposed to and we don't where.
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You both don't understand how it works. A party has two sources of funds: It has its own funds from fundraising, and it has public funds that are allocated to the party in proportion to how it did in the last election. All parties work with these funds, and there is no stipulation on how these funds are spent on party activities.
You both don't understand this either. When you vote for a local party candidate, you are also voting for the party itself, as well as whoever the party leader is. It's a package deal. Some people vote for the local candidate based on his/her character, some vote for the party or the potential PM regardless of how poor the local candidate might be. You get one vote and you have to decide where it's best spent according to your emphasis.
Individual MP's have little power in our system. They are tightly controlled by the Prime Minister and the party whip. That's a systemic drawback, common to all parties. It doesn't have to be that way, but it is, no matter which party is in power. (In the UK, by contrast, individual MP's have considerably more independence.)
To put it charitably, there are some flaws in your elementary knowledge of how our party system and parliament work, for both of you.
There's only one PMO in this country and its role should be to aid the PM in doing his job in working within the Parliamentary system, not become a replacement for it and not be used for the PM personal interests.
Nonsense, we don't elect parties to represent us, we elect MPs and it's the makeup of the MPs in the House that decide who's the Prime Minister. If we elected parties then what Harper did in 2006 by bringing David Emerson over from the Liberals immediately after the election would have been illegal. And MPs have the power to cross the floor if they find they no longer fit in with the party they were elected with. The power is with the MPs, not the party.
And the PMO was never intended as a separate branch of government, it's there to aid the PM in his duties as chief officer of the House. It certainly wasn't intended to function as part of an attack campaign against political opponents of the PM.
That is exactly what it is doing... working within the system. The system allows for considerable power and discretion to be centered in the PMO.
No it's not. MP's almost invariably vote along the lines the PM and the party decide; they virtually never vote independently, and most are quite happy with that arrangement, most of the time. Changing parties is about the only thing an MP can do of his own accord.
The PMO is the nerve centre of the party in power. It's a political nerve centre.
I have seen time and again in your comments that you have an idealistic and unrealistic notion of how our government works, usually influenced by your heavy Liberal partisanship. When Liberals do things, they're justified; when Conservatives do similar things, you howl in outrage.
OTOH< the GHOST of P>E>T . does get dragged out here....CONSERVATIVES love re-incarnation, seems like...
Is that Justin standing at the pulpit? If anyone is relying on a ghost, it would have to be him.
Well, this is kind of ironic, because that is precisely what you are doing here. Justifying the PMO.
It's interesting to note that a Conservative MP walked from the party to sit as an independent--an Alberta Conservative, no less. And the reason--hyper-partisan zealots at the PMO. To me, that indicates a problem.
No it's not Harper isn't the system, Parliament is and the PMO is intended to support him in his role as Prime Minister within the Parliament, not as a separate executive attacking members of Parliament. We don't elect an executive branch we elect a House to which the PM is answerable and the same goes for the actions of the PMO.
It doesn't mean they have to and party control has grown over the years. Both my parents were active in politics when I was young, my mother with the Liberals and my father with the conservatives. One of my early memories was a neighbor and close family friend being elected as a Liberal MP in the first Pierre Trudeau government, he was one of the coolest guys I've ever met. My father also had election success with conservative MPs he campaigned for in later years. This foaming at the mouth thing that some people have with the Liberals is bizarre I think, the reason they've been so successful isn't that they somehow always cheated Canadian voters which seems to be the theme of some people, but because they represented the values of most Canadians more consistently and still may. There was far more respect for MPs back in those days both within and without the parties, they certainly weren't the "trained seals" they've become now.
No it's not, the party caucus is, the PMO is there to support the PM not replace Parliament. The PM is always answerable to Parliament and the PMO has zero legislative power.
Don't tell me what I am, I know my politics, more than anything I care about the health of our democratic system here and I'm going to be very definite in my opposition to any group or individual that places themselves over that system which is basically us. I don't see the Liberals abusing the system and driving this country further from what it should be for the simple fact they aren't in power right now. And we were all told how the old abuses of power were going to end under the new government that went as far as naming itself that...and yet the old negative issues with entirely new dimensions have emerged.
I don't see the fortunes of Canada as rising as falling with any one party, they rise and fall with the quality of the people who are in office. And when people of the quality of Brent Rathgeber who put his job and reputation on the line are saying there's a serious problem still within our government then I listen.
It's odd you see no hypocrisy in condemning me for my assumed biases when you seem quite motivated by yours.
There's some really bizarre ideas of what the PMO is here, some people seem to believe it's a separate branch of government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_the_Prime_Minister_(Canada)
It's role is supposed to be in aiding the PM in making appointments and communications, but under Harper it has mutated into the policy making center that used to lie within the party. So under Harper there is very little party control of the PMO let alone overall Parliamentary oversight.
Well it definitely sounds like your pretty misguided in your understanding of what it takes to run trillion dollar economy consisting of 34 million people!!
Your a simpleton like JT who thinks all you have to do is say pretty things and have a nice hair style, and everything else will look after itself. You have absolutely no idea of the depth of understanding that is required on various issues to be able to make sound long term decisions..
If your looking to Rathgeber as your idea of how the country should be run, well this in itself tells me that you have never led a group of people (say as a supervisor) and you would have absolutely no idea of what it takes to run a small independent company let alone a trillion dollar economy!! You must spend most of your time reading Liberal hype in your basement..
Canada is a democracy not a dictatorship, the MPs are there to run the country and represent the citizens of this country from within Parliament, not people within the PMO most of us don't even know about none of us have voted for.
If you don't understand that or don't care then you really don't understand Canada.
Yeah yeah, is this the best you can do?
Your a dumb as JT, his problem, like yours is that because of your ignorance on a broader scale, is that you don't know,,,, what you should know or what there is to know!!
Or putting it another way, you don't know,,,what you don't know!!
All you keep doing here is babbling like a silly kid with a bunch of nonsense stuff and you seem to think it's profound.. Well it's not, most of it is just plain dumb..
Suggest you go back to your basement and cry or something!!
Isn't that what Durry's here for?
He's certainly uplifting, and he certainly talks like a silver tongued politician.
