Conservatives accuse Justin Trudeau of profiting from not-for-profits

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Just hope this latest sh*t doesn't take the spot light off Mike Duffy or Pamela Wallin!

There's so much mud in that House and Senate right now, hats off to any MP of any party who's somehow managed to keep his shirt clean so far!

No point slinging mud anymore 'cause mud on mud can't get any dirtier.
 

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...almost like it was PLANNED that way, eh?

 

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There's so much mud in that House and Senate right now, hats off to any MP of any party who's somehow managed to keep his shirt clean so far!

No point slinging mud anymore 'cause mud on mud can't get any dirtier.

I was thinking more along the lines of keeping his sh*t clean.
 

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Interesting, that the woman that wrote the letter to Justin, and accidentally had it leak out to the press and the PMO, just happens to be a Conservative supporter, and just happened to be appointed to a plum position by Harper.

Grace Foundation Charity That Asked For Trudeau Cash Back Has Tory Ties


That is a REALY GOOD POINT . The PMO these days looks more and more like Mussolini's Blackshirts trying to justify a 'hit'.

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But Canada.com has revealed that Grace Foundation board member Judith Baxter's husband, Glendon Baxter, is director of the Fundy Bay Conservative Riding Association. Glendon Baxter has also contributed nearly $700 to the party since 2009, A spokesperson for Heritage Minister James Moore told Canada.com that Baxter was appointed because of her "wealth of experience" as a museum coordinator and volunteer.
A Facebook photo that may show Judith Baxter and her daughter posing in the prime minister’s office also made the rounds on social media last weekend, though the authenticity of the shot has not been confirmed.

Ok- I gotta admit- Musso and his gang weren't that clumsy


I think there is still an issue with Trudeau getting paid at a time when he was supposed to be working on government parliament issues.,

I just can't imagine what my employer would do to me if during regular business hours, I decided to go next door and do some other work to earn some more money for myself!!

And of course there is an issue with conflict of interest. Someone should have a look at his speeches as well as his traveling schedule!!


Ohhhh Durry. If JT was a Tory MP you would be defending his 'entrepreneurial drive in a free market.'

This Grace affair was a Harpo PMO back room set up. Nixon's plumbers would have been proud of it.

Maybe Gordon Liddy can take over the PMO..
 
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If this issue develops any legs, it may really blow up on JT. One of the articles posted (G&M I think) determined that one or a few of his speaking engagements would have occurred while the House was sitting.

It's got legs, but the legs don't seem to be walking in the direction the Conservatives had hoped for. :lol:
 

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I don't think that this issue is so much about the legality of what Trudeau has done, but more so about the optics... There already is enough graft and pork-barrelling in gvt and JT has simply taken it to a new level.


Aww, cmon Morgan -Trudeau's big mistake was not realising that the GRACE was controlled by the local Conservative riding foundation.

He walked into a"'Gang hit." - Maybe the locals didn't support the charity fundraiser because the Board is currently run out of 'sleaze bagger central"?
 

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Aww, cmon Morgan -Trudeau's big mistake was not realising that the GRACE was controlled by the local Conservative riding foundation.

He walked into a"'Gang hit."

Such a conclusion gets a little ridiculous when you think it through. If the Grace Foundation was controlled by the local Conservative riding foundation, why would they give the rising Liberal star a venue to promote his popularity?

You're crediting them with clairvoyance if you think they were going to put the issue of paying him in their back pocket as a trump to drag out for later use.
 

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Aww, cmon Morgan -Trudeau's big mistake was not realising that the GRACE was controlled by the local Conservative riding foundation.

Either goes to show that JT is too naive for politics or he allowed his greed to trump common sense.

Regardless, it doesn't excuse him from ditching his full time job to moonlight

He walked into a"'Gang hit." - Maybe the locals didn't support the charity fundraiser because the Board is currently run out of 'sleaze bagger central"?

Only the smart and the strong survive.

Presuming that this conspiracy theory is true, it simply goes to show that JT was out witted, out gunned and out manoeuvred by a far better strategist.

Chess player vs kid playing checkers
 

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Such a conclusion gets a little ridiculous when you think it through. If the Grace Foundation was controlled by the local Conservative riding foundation, why would they give the rising Liberal star a venue to promote his popularity?

You're crediting them with clairvoyance if you think they were going to put the issue of paying him in their back pocket as a trump to drag out for later use.
I don't think hunboldt is capable of thinking that far ahead!!
 

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Chess player vs kid playing checkers

Harper moved his queen too soon, by engaging the PMO. All he needed to do was move a pawn. Now all the opposition has to do is threaten the queen, while developing pieces, and Harper has no choice but to move his queen again--defend his actions. I don't think the strategy was that great.
 

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Harper moved his queen too soon, by engaging the PMO. All he needed to do was move a pawn. Now all the opposition has to do is threaten the queen, while developing pieces, and Harper has no choice but to move his queen again--defend his actions. I don't think the strategy was that great.

I disagree, i believe that he only moved a pawn in this saga so far.... Look at where the media is focused right now.

Now that there is talk of Trudeau 'making things right' which may include the return of potentially $277k, the move will be to engage a discussion on whether JT should reimburse the taxpayer for the time he missed being in Parliament while active in his speaking engagements.

Can you imagine the kerfuffle that will ensue if this were to happen?... The raft of attack ads by the Dippers, Greens and Cons come election time?

Ought to be interesting, that's for sure
 

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I don't know, the National Post and Macleans aren't all that liberal, unless you're off to the far right of the political spectrum.

I think if you're ging to out Trudeau for moonlighting on his taxpayer-funded MP salary then you should do it in such a way that you don't have taxpayer-funded staff at the PMO moonlighting as partisan apparatchiks. That's why this is backfiring. As Angus fro the NDP stated--doesn't the PMO have better things to do than run black ops against Trudeau?

Does not the PM have the requirement of staff?? Do not all, MPs, and the cabinet, and leaders of the op[position?? And where is it noted they are not to engage in partisan politics???...... Considering that is the very essence of our system, and everyone does it. If not, political staffers would be hired from the professional bureaucracy, not party lists.

No, they do not have anything better to do than "run black ops against Trudeau". The people need to discover exactly how useless he really is......
 

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I disagree, i believe that he only moved a pawn in this saga so far.... Look at where the media is focused right now.

The media is focussed on the ties this charity had to the Conservatvies, and the PMO's hand in instigating this scandal. That's exactly what I'm talking about. He didn't need to release the hyper-partisan PMO zealots. It was unnecessary--the local MP could have made a story of it. As it is, they have lost control of the narrative, and the media is writing the story and casting Harper as a villain. And JT, the stupid checkers player, never even had to make a move.

Now that there is talk of Trudeau 'making things right' which may include the return of potentially $277k, the move will be to engage a discussion on whether JT should reimburse the taxpayer for the time he missed being in Parliament while active in his speaking engagements.

If he was missing in action due to speaking engagements, I completely agree. However, no one, to date, has shown this to be the case. Given that the pit bulls in the PMO have already been all over this for days, I think they would have found any evidence of such impropriety. And even if they did, or even if they manage to create the appearance that such a thing could be possible, it's ultimately a zero-sum game, given that, when the results o the Wallin audit are released, they are (based on Wallin's own admission) bound to be far more egregious as far as shafting the taxpayer.

As for refunds, apart from the Grace Foundation, virtually all the others seem satisified with the product they purchased.


Can you imagine the kerfuffle that will ensue if this were to happen?... The raft of attack ads by the Dippers, Greens and Cons come election time?

Ought to be interesting, that's for sure

I think the best the Tories can hope for on this one is a draw. They will probably get it. Parliament is out, it's been an acrimonious session, and most are probably content to go back to their ridings.
 

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Justin Trudeau was making high profile speaking engagements with charities for money, whether or not that puts him in a position of conflict of interest is up for debate. Trudeau is not alone in making money this way and not just in Canada.

On the other hand you have Harper who once again is using taxpayer resources to engineer partisan attacks on opponents, and trying to do it from concealment as the PMO requested to remain unnamed in the story.
 

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On the other hand you have Harper who once again is using taxpayer resources to engineer partisan attacks on opponents, and trying to do it from concealment as the PMO requested to remain unnamed in the story.
Awwww too bad, tsk tsk !!
He shouldn't push back at all, it's just a kid with no substance trying to earn a living..eh!!
 

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@ Zipperfish and CK

Put simply, 'it is what it is'.

Like it or not, JT is in this position due to his own actions and all the other Parties are simply offering a drowning man an anvil to help him along.

Trial by fire boys, that's how politics works

On the other hand you have Harper who once again is using taxpayer resources to engineer partisan attacks on opponents, and trying to do it from concealment as the PMO requested to remain unnamed in the story.


Call it one of the benefits of being PM
 

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@ Zipperfish and CK

Put simply, 'it is what it is'.

Like it or not, JT is in this position due to his own actions and all the other Parties are simply offering a drowning man an anvil to help him along.

Trial by fire boys, that's how politics works




Call it one of the benefits of being PM

"cuse me , but isn't the PMO's office & the Poobah Majesty supposed to be running the country??