I voted nah, grade twelve is meaningless, except and perhaps if you're looking for people who will endure torture and mind fornication for twelve straight years without getting up and leaving.
A good point but as counter point there are kids who are never taught how to learn. Education can be fine tuned to fit a child's learning style and children (adults too) can be taught how to learn using the best style that suits them.
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The reason I voted yes is with the provision that society provide an education system that
is interesting to people. Students by the time they get to grade twelve are young adults and
not children anymore. The reason many leave and we had two grand kids that did was due
to the fact the programs offered were boring as hell . Not a case of poor babies, if you think
how many jobs did you leave before you found one that you liked?
Both these young fellows did get their grade twelve and both are doing extremely well in the
trades. One is a carpenter the other at 26 is an electrician with all his tickets residential,
commercial and industrial.
The whole thing is teachers treat them like children instead of responsible adults. In some
prison systems inmates have to complete grade twelve. this is a good policy
Its not about forcing young people to do something its more about older people inspiring the
young to want to do their best.
It goes far beyond counting change.Hmm... a style that suits them. I dunno. The premise of this thread is that someone is intellectually deficient in some way because they can't quickly and concisely manipulate numbers in their head. They may have college under their belt for all you know, but be weak at mathematic manipulations. So, if the premise is that a simple failing in an individual makes you assume no education, how do you set up an education system that lets that person adapt to their weaknesses?
It goes far beyond counting change.
*falls on the floor laughing*For brain surgering I would think yes, for digging post holes a guy might get by with grade 11.
How would you propose to do that with someone with the I.Q. of a stump?
Not even close to true for what I have seen. At least not in the schools were I work.Our education system is run by people more interested in their pension than in passing on knowlege
Take into consideration that the statement comes from a guy who thinks anybody in a union is a freeloader.Not even close to true for what I have seen. At least not in the schools were I work.
For brain surgering I would think yes, for digging post holes a guy might get by with grade 11.
How would you propose to do that with someone with the I.Q. of a stump?
I don't believe anything would be achieved by forcing them to sit there for extra time. There are just so many variables as to why some kids don't do well in our "middle class" school system. And the system is already over burdened as it is. The old saying, one can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink would be applicable here.
Yes but some kids are coming from such an horrendous environment all they want to do is "their time" and then escape. Can't blame them for that. Besides it isn't like kids can't get their equivalency later when they are in a better head space. And some kids just will be on the welfare teat period.Then they need to be engaged and try to determine what they want to do - Doing nothing leaves a permanent economic underclass.
Yes? No?
Voice your pros and cons.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to live in a world where you can pay $2.02 for a $1.27 item and get an even 75 cents back without being told it will "screw up the till"?
YES and higher standards to Graduate!!!
When I was in high school (Quebec), we only had to go to grade 11. There was an extra year for college prep but it was separate.That skill will be passé come February 4; it will be replaced by rounding to the nearest 5 cents.
Definitely keep the little buggars in school to end of Grade 12 or age 18 (whichever comes first). Too many on the GD golf courses during weekdays!
Then they need to be engaged and try to determine what they want to do - Doing nothing leaves a permanent economic underclass.