Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

[Goober]

A lot of ifs and maybes but it would be somewhat cheaper to send in prefabs. A little less labour cost in erecting but still require tradesmen for all the other work. There is no reason that lumber couldn't be manufactured on site in many cases. DOes require motivation though as well as a few experienced people to make it work. Petros , I think it was posted some pics a bunch of pages back that showed a panabode style with two layers of walls with insulation inbetween. This style could be manufactured in many locations. Again there is still the foundation and all the mechanical to consider. All this stuff does have to be freighted in.
Motivation does seem to be the big problem. I think the native leaders like the system in place now where BIG BROTHER supplies everything and all they have to do is fill out applications. I'm not convinced that the leadership wants the rank and file to have real jobs.

So it is economically feasible then? Some Bands would have no problem with volunteers- same with providing those with the skill sets if required.
Habitat for Humanity has what they call sweat equity- each family must work 500 hrs on the house or projects.
No difference here.

 

[gerryh]

.being there is no heat in the ground for about 5 months of the year up there.

:roll::roll:

 

[Goober]

Too many first nations people live in a dream palace - The Globe and Mail

 

[petros]

Nope, unlike jlm though, I won't be taken in with your "baffle em with bullshyte".

I don't need bullsh*t to baffle you. Reality works just fine.

This is a far superior house than the one you originally posted. But it still requires foundation, plumbing, heating and electrical plus freight and labour.

Freight from your local Home hardware and the reaming necessities will never gobble up more than another $20K The $250K per house bullsh*t is bullsh*t.

 

[JLM]

I don't need bullsh*t to baffle you. Reality works just fine.

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You said it better than I could.-

 

[Mowich]

Right on Dixie Cup- Chief Clarence Louie (Osoyoos Band) has the respect of pretty well everybody.

And he is only one of many Chiefs who are quietly going about changing their reserves for the better. But stories about successes on reserves and band Chiefs who don't rob their members blind aren't 'sexy' enough for the MSM - still the truth is out there if anyone cares to dig deep enough.

Sure there are rotten apples - there are rotten apples in the white/asian/ etc community as well - they are the ones who get the headlines while the good news stories go vastly under-reported.

 

[tay]

Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine



While there have been some First Nations who initially welcomed resource projects, even communities that have seen new jobs are growing disillusioned. These mines and oil projects in the Canadian north are generally temporary "fly-in" sites, and do not contribute to capacity building in the local communities. Here's an overview of the problems, relating specifically to Chief Spence's Attawapiskat reservation with its third world conditions next to a $1 billion DeBeers diamond mine

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Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine | MiningWatch

 

[SLM]

And he is only one of many Chiefs who are quietly going about changing their reserves for the better. But stories about successes on reserves and band Chiefs who don't rob their members blind aren't 'sexy' enough for the MSM - still the truth is out there if anyone cares to dig deep enough.

Stories about successes are always relegated to the back page but the problem is too that, for some, even if it was in the headlines a lot of people still wouldn't "see" it.

Sure there are rotten apples - there are rotten apples in the white/asian/ etc community as well - they are the ones who get the headlines while the good news stories go vastly under-reported.

People are individuals and one single individual can never represent an entire group completely. The logic doesn't change just because the group does; if it applies for one group, it applies for all.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

But...but....but the CBC is an obviously Right leaning wingnut Communist...uhm....Fascist, biased....
uh....something or another....maybe Republican or something? Anyway, they're bad! They're not
saying the right things at the right time, so they must be...oh...how 'bout a division of SUN-FOX
-Al Quada News?

This argument about housing is distracting from the bigger issue which is why the CBC has joined the Fox News Sun TV camp.

 

[Locutus]

Attawapiskat audit finds 'no evidence of due diligence'



The accounting firm hired to audit the finances of the troubled Attawapiskat First Nation reserve in northern Ontario says there is little or no documentation for millions of dollars spent by the band, CBC News has learned.

But a spokesman for Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence suggested Monday morning that the audit was wrong and this leak was timed to discredit her as she continues her hunger strike amid national Idle No More protests.

The unreleased audit was requested by the federal government to ensure that the approximately $104 million it provided to Attawapiskat between April 2005 and November 2011 was spent as it should have been.

CBC News has obtained a copy of the audit. The funding was intended for housing, sewage, education and other services.


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Attawapiskat audit finds 'no evidence of due diligence' - Politics - CBC News

 

[captain morgan]

Attawapiskat audit finds 'no evidence of due diligence'
Attawapiskat audit finds 'no evidence of due diligence' - Politics - CBC News

From the CBC no less.... That alone will be the death knell for Spence and her crusade.

.... Then again, maybe Chief Spence can take a page from her buddy Moore and say that when she said that all the monies were spent according to the agreement(s), she whispered under her breath 'figuratively speaking' and that ought to absolve her from any wrongdoings... Kinda like having your fingers crossed when you make a promise - nothing counts

 

[Bremusa]

As always, the nightmare continues.

The final nail in the coffin of putting your faith in anything that leads people.

And people wonder why The Idol No More people and the Occupy Wall Street movements exist.

Now that being said , how many of you are going to vote for any of the Canadian governing parties.
Do you have as much faith in them as people do in Chief Spence.

Have fun with that.

Bremusa

 

[petros]

Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine



While there have been some First Nations who initially welcomed resource projects, even communities that have seen new jobs are growing disillusioned. These mines and oil projects in the Canadian north are generally temporary "fly-in" sites, and do not contribute to capacity building in the local communities. Here's an overview of the problems, relating specifically to Chief Spence's Attawapiskat reservation with its third world conditions next to a $1 billion DeBeers diamond mine

more

Diamonds and Development: Attawapiskat and the Victor Diamond Mine | MiningWatch

Mining companies dfon't do anything for Natives? B U L L S H I T

Cameco is also a part of many other northern-focused organizations such as:

• Aboriginal Human Resource Council (AHRC) - The Aboriginal Human Resource Council is an organization dedicated to advancing the participation of Aboriginal peoples in the full labour market. Through a wide range of products and services, the AHRC helps Aboriginal peoples advance their careers and helps organizations become inclusive and employers of choice for Aboriginal peoples.
• Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business (CCAB) - The Canadian Council of Aboriginal Business (CCAB) promotes the full involvement of Aboriginal people in Canada's economy by building bridges between corporate Canada and Aboriginal communities. In an effort to fulfill its mission the CCAB introduced the Progressive Aboriginal Relations (PAR) distinction in 2001.
  PAR is designed to assess current performance of businesses in the areas of aboriginal employment, assisting business development, building individual capacity and enhancing community relations. Cameco has been awarded the PAR Gold distinction, the highest possible, three times since 2001, the latest being in 2010.
• Inter-Provincial Association on Native Employment (IANE) -IANE is a non-profit organization dedicated to serving individuals and organizations concerned with issues relating to Aboriginal employment. Incorporated in 1977, IANE has chapters across western Canada and northern Ontario, including Saskatoon and La Ronge. INAE hosts a national conference each year to discuss various Aboriginal employment issues, and also provides yearly awards to businesses and individuals who best exemplify IANE's mission and values.
• Mineral Sector Steering Committee (MSSC) - A subcommittee of the Northern Labour Market Committee, the Mineral Sector Steering Committee (MSSC) was established in 1991 and oversees the implementation of the Multi-Party Training Plan. MSSC members include industry, government, tribal councils, and Métis organizations. The goal of the MSSC is to maximize employment opportunities for northerners in the mining industry, and support the development of northern businesses in providing goods and services to the mining industry.
• Multi-Party Training Plan (MPTP) -Started in 1993, the Multi-Party Training Plan is a co-operative training-to-employment strategy signed by the federal and provincial governments, industry, and other northern stakeholders. Currently in its fourth, five year iteration, the MPTP is currently focused on increasing the participation of northerners in the mining industries professional positions, fostering the development of northern businesses, and improving the achievement levels of northern students.
• Northern Apprenticeship Committee (NAC) - A subcommittee of the Northern Labour Market Committee, the Northern Apprenticeship Committee (NAC) was created in 1994 to advance northerners through the apprenticeship system to journey status. The committee has six goals:
  • To promote the value of apprenticeship training and certification in the North
  • To recruit new apprentices and trades people from among the residents of northern Saskatchewan
  • To complement and build upon the existing training initiatives
  • Track and coordinate the training certification and employment of Northern apprentices, trades people and journeypersons
  • Indenture apprentices in the North with Saskatchewan Apprenticeship Board
  • Foster a collaborative forum for apprenticeship stakeholders to contribute to and benefit from the apprenticeship system
• Northern Labour Market Committee (NLMC) - Created in 1983, the NLMC has grown to include more than 80 different agencies, including various levels of government and industry. The mandate of the NLMC is as follows:
  • Identify labour market, training, and economic development issues emerging in northern Saskatchewan.
  • Initiate special projects that are action-and results-oriented to address these issues.
  • Coordinate and facilitate cooperative planning and actions among agencies.
  • Provide a forum in which to exchange information.
  • Prepare an annual profile of the labour market and industrial sectors in northern Saskatchewan to assist in program planning.

 

[captain morgan]

As always, the nightmare continues.

It'll be getting much worse for Spence et al.... This is just the beginning for her

The final nail in the coffin of putting your faith in anything that leads people.

Fraud and lying will often do that

And people wonder why The Idol No More people and the Occupy Wall Street movements exist.

I don't wonder, it's actually understandable why those groups exist - Entitlement and expectation for a free lunch

Now that being said , how many of you brain washed A holes are going to vote for any of the Canadian governing parties.
Do you have as much faith in them as people do in Chief Spence.

Funny... I'd imagine that those folks that supported Spence and the Idle No More mvt are probably feeling like A-holes

Have fun with that.

Bremusa

I'm having the time of my life.

 

[petros]

http://www.gdins.org/ckfinder/userfiles/files/GDI_Cameco_Broch.pdf

 

[SLM]

As always, the nightmare continues.

The final nail in the coffin of putting your faith in anything that leads people.

And people wonder why The Idol No More people and the Occupy Wall Street movements exist.

Now that being said , how many of you brain washed A holes are going to vote for any of the Canadian governing parties.
Do you have as much faith in them as people do in Chief Spence.

Have fun with that.

Bremusa

Just who in the hell are you calling brainwashed A holes? Anyone that doesn't agree with you?

How arrogant!

 

[Bremusa]

It'll be getting much worse for Spence et al.... This is just the beginning for her



Fraud and lying will often do that



I don't wonder, it's actually understandable why those groups exist - Entitlement and expectation for a free lunch



Funny... I'd imagine that those folks that supported Spence and the Idle No More mvt are probably feeling like A-holes



I'm having the time of my life.

You beat me to my edit.


Bremusa

Just who in the hell are you calling brainwashed A holes? Anyone that doesn't agree with you?

How arrogant!

Again, you beat me to my edit.

Sorry for being reactionary .

As I brace for the gushing from most of the posters in here, a bit of honesty on my part.

Time and time again I get let down by politicians.

Yes I bought into this Spence fraud.

How many of you would still cast a vote for Harper, knowing his party has done more lying than Spence could ever do.

The entire party of the conservatives are a lie going to happen.

The die hards will support these people and never change.
Harper will come up with some idiocy which he will repeat over and over and over and Canadians will evetnually believe it and vote for him.

The Liberals, a joke gone bad.

The NDP the last hope and gasp for the left, only to be let down for the left is split.

At least I realize my folly.


Bremusa

 

[Colpy]

You beat me to my edit.


Bremusa



Again, you beat me to my edit.

Sorry for being reactionary .

As I brace for the gushing from most of the posters in here, a bit of honesty on my part.

Time and time again I get let down by politicians.

Yes I bought into this Spence fraud.

How many of you would still cast a vote for Harper, knowing his party has done more lying than Spence could ever do.

The entire party of the conservatives are a lie going to happen.

The die hards will support these people and never change.
Harper will come up with some idiocy which he will repeat over and over and over and Canadians will evetnually believe it and vote for him.

The Liberals, a joke gone bad.

The NDP the last hope and gasp for the left, only to be let down for the left is split.

At least I realize my folly.


Bremusa

An admission of a mistake!!

Wow. A rare and valuable thing on-line.

I may have to reassess you.

Dammit.

 

[Trex]

SunTV, then CBC and now the National Post are presently reporting that Attawapiskat has been totally mismanaged by Spence and her boyfriend.
It is a $100 million dollar financial rathole with zero accountability.
What Attawapiskat needs now is a criminal investigation for evidence of fraud or malfeasance.
The Post is also now reporting a Judge who is blasting the Ontario provincial government for not using the police to enforce "rule of law" with the " Idle All the Time" protestors.
Looks like Stevie had Spence figured out from the get go.

 

[SLM]

You beat me to my edit.


Bremusa



Again, you beat me to my edit.

Sorry for being reactionary .

As I brace for the gushing from most of the posters in here, a bit of honesty on my part.

Time and time again I get let down by politicians.

Yes I bought into this Spence fraud.

How many of you would still cast a vote for Harper, knowing his party has done more lying than Spence could ever do.

The entire party of the conservatives are a lie going to happen.

The die hards will support these people and never change.
Harper will come up with some idiocy which he will repeat over and over and over and Canadians will evetnually believe it and vote for him.

The Liberals, a joke gone bad.

The NDP the last hope and gasp for the left, only to be let down for the left is split.

At least I realize my folly.


Bremusa

Fair enough.

Owning up to mistakes, even if that mistake is just a lapse in judgement or conduct, is respectable.

ETA: Just an FYI, edits are only available for a short time after a post is made (an hour I think).