Attawapiskat chief goes on hunger strike

[Bremusa]

Petros I could not reply directly do to how you replied to me.

I notice you left out the most important part of my post.

Shop union stewards are elected , are they politicians?

The English language has many subtleties.

Sometimes one tries to convey a concept.

The subject as to whether a Native American elected Chief is a politician is conceptual in nature.

For a Chief is not a politician and a politician is not a Chief.

I tried to be honest and not cut any hairs.

But you ,petros are starting to portray a certain agenda that is actually hindering your ability to think and be honest.

Once one's agenda becomes more important than honesty and learning , you cease to be real.


Bremusa

 

[gerryh]

Well if this audit was not released? Are you pulling these stats and numbers out of thin air? I happen to know from past experience that chiefs are paid a far cry more than you quoted.

and what did I quote?

and I guess Grand Chief Louttit isn't a good enough source.

 

[JLM]

Fir is denser and stronger but doesn't insulate as well. If you compact a bat of R-15 pink insulation to a solid would it still have the insulating value of R-15? Nope, it would equate to sheet fiberglass.

To the best of my knowledge R-40 is the recommended for all new construction in southern Canada. Am I out of date?

 

[petros]

The English language has many subtleties.

Bremusa

Yes indeed.

Maybe look at it this way. Modernize what you feel a Chief is and put that concept into the political realm.

Think of the Chief as the President or leader.

The President is a politician as well as the leader (Chief). If he loses his job as President(Chief) he/she is still a politician.

 

[gerryh]

To the best of my knowledge R-40 is the recommended for all new construction in southern Canada. Am I out of date?

it is the MINIMUM recommendation. R40 wouldn't be enough for Northern Ontario, but petro's would have you think that 100mm (a little under 4 inches) solid wood wall with an r rating of approx 6 would be adequate.

 

[Bremusa]

Yes indeed.

Maybe look at it this way. Modernize what you feel a Chief is and put that concept into the political realm.

Think of the Chief as the President or leader.

The President is a politician as well as the leader (Chief). If he loses his job as President(Chief) he/she is still a politician.

Hear that wooooshing sound petros?

Bremusa

 

[petros]

To the best of my knowledge R-40 is the recommended for all new construction in southern Canada. Am I out of date?

I should have put it another way which is thermal coeffiency. Thermal resistivity and thermal conductivity. R-value merely refers to convective resistance and has nothing to do with thermal resistivity and thermal conductivity of a material like wood.

Thermal conductivity of solid wood is very good in comparison to sheeting batt and then interior sheeting.

The slower the loss of heat the better.

A half inch exterior sheet and a half inch interior wallboard is still just a 1 inch total. The batt in between the sheets slows convective exchange of inner to outer.

Hear that wooooshing sound petros?

Bremusa

There shouldn't be a woooshing. It's not that complex.

Both Chief and President are leaders and both are politicians who lead the lesser politicians.

 

[Liberalman]

2013 will be remembered as the start of a revolution brought on by an iron fisted federal Conservative government who turned a blind eye to the natives, who refuses to listen to the people that gave them a majority.
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[JLM]

Fir is denser and stronger but doesn't insulate as well. If you compact a bat of R-15 pink insulation to a solid would it still have the insulating value of R-15? Nope, it would equate to sheet fiberglass.

To the best of my knowledge R-40 is the recommended for all new construction in southern Canada. Am I out of date?

2013 will be remembered as the start of a revolution brought on by an iron fisted federal Conservative government who turned a blind eye to the natives, who refuses to listen to the people that gave them a majority.
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Maybe for good reason, some seem to think there's a gap in the money! Maybe we are still not seeing the whole picture.

 

[petros]

Am I out of date?

Not that I know of but R and U (thermal coefficiency) are two different ratings. Fiberglass is rated in R and a wood wall in U.

Anyhoo solid wood's U rating is very good.


To simplify things solid wood holds heat in a structure very well thanks to it's low rate of thermal conductivity and doesn't need to be as thick as a wall stuffed with batt to do the same job of holding heat in.

Going from 70mm to 110mm would be like comparing a 2x6 wall with batt and a 2x8 wall with batt.

They both do the same job of holding in heat whether solid wood or sheet and batt.

 

[JLM]

Not that I know of but R and U (thermal coefficiency) are two different ratings. Fiberglass is rated in R and a wood wall in U.

Anyhoo solid wood's U rating is very good.


To simplify things solid wood holds heat in a structure very well thanks to it's low rate of thermal conductivity and doesn't need to be as thick as a wall stuffed with batt to do the same job of holding heat in.

Going from 70mm to 110mm would be like comparing a 2x6 wall with batt and a 2x8 wall with batt.

They both do the same job of holding in heat whether solid wood or sheet and batt.

OK, now I'm starting to get the gist. I trust your wisdom!-

 

[petros]

OK, now I'm starting to get the gist. I trust your wisdom!-

At 70mm nobody would be freezing to death. Not by a long shot. 110mm wouldn't keep you any warmer you'd just have somewhat lower heating costs.

But don't tell the Spastics fans, they'll get confused.

 

[Kreskin]

2013 will be remembered as the start of a revolution brought on by an iron fisted federal Conservative government who turned a blind eye to the natives, who refuses to listen to the people that gave them a majority.
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Oh come on, it won't be remembered after about 2 more news cycles.

 

[Dixie Cup]

2013 will be remembered as the start of a revolution brought on by an iron fisted federal Conservative government who turned a blind eye to the natives, who refuses to listen to the people that gave them a majority.
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And maybe it's about time the government did turn a blind eye and let the people get to the bottom of their issues instead of relying on government? Maybe if they took action to try and better things there wouldn't be such a high rate of suicide, alcohol and drug addition etc., They would have some pride in what they were doing and wanted to accomplish. All the government ever seems to be able to do is pour more money into the pot and its never enough. Why? The responsibility to make psychological and physcial changes belongs to the individual - government can't change attitudes nor can anyone else. It has to come from within. Perhaps some reservations (god I hate that word) need to physcially move to a better location and government can assist with that, but everything else needs to come from individuals themselves. I'm tired of the "poor me" syndrom that has been around for far too long.

Quite frankly, I think the whole Indian Act should be terfed out the door and the whole thing re-visited but that's for another discussion.

How is it that the Chief in BC is so successful in operating various private enterprises, employing his people? Why aren't other Band Chiefs looking to him for direction and ideas to emulate and assist their own? I believe it may well be called "laziness" on their part maybe? Too much like work? I dunno - I'm just askin'

JMO

 

[JLM]

And maybe it's about time the government did turn a blind eye and let the people get to the bottom of their issues instead of relying on government? Maybe if they took action to try and better things there wouldn't be such a high rate of suicide, alcohol and drug addition etc., They would have some pride in what they were doing and wanted to accomplish. All the government ever seems to be able to do is pour more money into the pot and its never enough. Why? The responsibility to make psychological and physcial changes belongs to the individual - government can't change attitudes nor can anyone else. It has to come from within. Perhaps some reservations (god I hate that word) need to physcially move to a better location and government can assist with that, but everything else needs to come from individuals themselves. I'm tired of the "poor me" syndrom that has been around for far too long.

Quite frankly, I think the whole Indian Act should be terfed out the door and the whole thing re-visited but that's for another discussion.

How is it that the Chief in BC is so successful in operating various private enterprises, employing his people? Why aren't other Band Chiefs looking to him for direction and ideas to emulate and assist their own? I believe it may well be called "laziness" on their part maybe? Too much like work? I dunno - I'm just askin'

JMO



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Right on Dixie Cup- Chief Clarence Louie (Osoyoos Band) has the respect of pretty well everybody. Governments are totally inefficient at money management- too much goes to bureaucrats.

 

[gerryh]

OK, now I'm starting to get the gist. I trust your wisdom!-

ya, it's called baffle with bullshyte.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Would you say Native Chiefs are people that campaign in the same way politicians do?
Though elected are they elected by popular vote?
Can anyone just sign up to run for chief?

Yes if they are a native.

Albeit I will concede there is politics involved and today 90% of Chiefs in the Americas are elected.

But it hurts me to concede she is a politician.
That comes with a whole set of baggage not really part of the Natives history.

She is a Chief , a Native elder, just because she was elected does not mean she is a politician.

Shop union stewards are elected , are they politicians?

Yes. Union Stewards are politicians. A Chief is a politician. The politic in their everyday routines which makes them politicians.

2013 will be remembered as the start of a revolution brought on by an iron fisted federal Conservative government who turned a blind eye to the natives, who refuses to listen to the people that gave them a majority.
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Gerryh is right. You are brainless moron.

 

[CDNBear]

And yes, I do get tired of sarcastic "know it alls" who think they have a corner on all knowledge.

Given how many times times I've proven your silly stereotypical nonsense wrong, it isn't a matter of what I think I know.

Looks like a lot of people believe what they read in history books in school. Which isn't exactly their fault.

True, but when they are continuously confronted with the truth, only to ignore it and buck up against it, they lay claim to the fault.

No bias or hate here, I have friends who are Natives. They actually work, and earn an honest living. Don't start getting into name calling, because you will lose.

Ummm...

Good point. Funny that they want to keep their traditions, but you don't see them fishing in a birch bark canoe or a dugout. No, they have the best in bass boats... They don't get around in winter using snowshoes. No, they have the best snowmobiles. Do they travel on horseback? No they have the best of pickups.

Maybe they have all that because they work, like you just said, lol.

Coldwater Mill

This must be the grist mill bear mentioned.

That would be the mill. It was part of a massive land settlement.

The multi million dollar land settlement was based on the truth, not some web page. That's why I posted the pdf to the investigations.

If you were at all interested in truth, honesty and reality, you would have taken a little time and read it.

It must suck to be you and wrong so often, lol.

Maybe one day you'll be able to get past your bigotries and have an honest conversation about the First Nations.

Until then I'll settle for just making your posts look stupid and laughing at your bigotry.

 

[Walter]

well thank you walter, nothing like you answering for me as to who the bigot is.

Yes, I am bigotted against fat people because they chose to be that way. And I don't believe in any of this bigboned, genetic, glandular crap either. Being fat is a choice.

 

[CDNBear]

Yes, I am bigotted against fat people because they chose to be that way. And I don't believe in any of this bigboned, genetic, glandular crap either. Being fat is a choice.

No offense Walter, but I have to ask. Why would exemplify and celebrate your ignorance in such a public way?