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Nope. They meet CDN, American and EU spec.
They do the job and use far less labour, cheaper labour and materials and that is how they can fit three to a sea can with no waste or on-site manufacturing.
The only thing Non-Canadian about those houses is where they are made.
Canadian companies, using canadian softwood, running Canadian design software driven milling machines. This isn't something new. It's been around since the late 70's in Canada I can take pictures of a coulpe that have been around that long in my neighbourhood.
Zoom into street view Red lobster regina - Google Maps
Compared to the mining camp housing they recently bought these will last a lot longer.
The wife and I have been researching these for about three years for when we semi-retire on the farm and I set up an oufitters operation.
The day my daughter graduates University and there is no more supporting her, we're out of the city and building a nice soild home with a beautiful sunrise view of the Assiniboine Valley.
If you don't think those are up to snuff there are kit homes made in China and sold in Canada through Beaver and have impressive structural stats like R-63 fibreglass in the ceiling.
Check them out for yourself. Beaver Homes and Cottages
There are some really decent options that far surpass the mining camp housing they are buying for $250K
SO how about telling us how you earn your living. And how it contributes to the general well being of Canada.
Or is this your first visit to Canada?
What does that have to do with anything in this thread.
I will say I was born in Canada.
I have continued my education and worked all my life.
I will continue to educate myself further and work.
I do not come from wealth but my partner does.
I find it quite amusing that people here resort to these infantile forum tactics to thwart discussion and learning. Substitute little smiley emoticons and no substance for actual rebuttal.
As if that is clever or makes one above the other. To my way of seeing it ,it is defeatist, while trying to feign being an elitist .rofl.
All quite the hoot.
And yes I will always set myself ready for learning something new or admitting when I'm wrong.
Unlike most in here where it all appears to be just some mutual masturbation technique of each other's frail egos'.
Bremusa
What is also quite a hoot is the delivery of platitudes and emotionally charged accusations without any offering of proof or cause/effect.
Possibly even more interesting is the reality that you've conveniently elected NOT to recognize the effect that your life (and lifestyle) have on poor Mother Gaia.
So, what's it to be? Chastise everyone else on what ought to be while protecting yourself from vilification or ante-up and do something proactive that will stem the rape of the planet and pollution of the air?
I wait with baited anticipation
I already served up 110mm walls, thermal coefficiency of wood, meeting of CDN spec, even a link to a machined log building built 30 years ago in ice cold Regina SK.
As for the 1760 sq ft house my wife likes that is $42K wholesale and $88K(not the the 93K i mistakenly posted earlier) this is how these well China built kit homes are whether bought wholsale direct or through a Canadian retailer:
Beaver Home and Cottage Package Specifications
- Structure Support Beam Posts - Adjustable steel posts as load requires, complete with metal bearing plate top and bottom.
- Wood Beams 4-ply 2 x 10 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried, dimensional lumber, or number of plys to meet required standards of construction.
- Floor Joists - 2 x 10 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried, dimensional lumber. Small, cottage-type models may have 2 x 8 joists. Sill plates supplied complete with foam gasket.
- Metal Joist Hangers & Mechanical Connectors - for applications where required.
- Bridging - 2 x 2 cross-bridging between joists as required.
- Stairs - Premanufactured carpet grade curved stairs supplied where shown. Material supplied for all straight run stairs.
- Basement Furring Walls - 2 x 4 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried studs at 16″ on centre. Single bottom and top plate complete with R-22 glass fibre insulation floor to ceiling, damp proof sheeting and 6 mil poly vapour barrier (CGSB Approved).
- Floor Sheathing - 5/8″ T & G standard plywood or 3/4″ T & G oriented strand board (OSB), adhesive supplied.
- Exterior Walls - 2 x 6 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried studs spaced 16″ on centre with 2 x 6 double top and single bottom plates, 7/16″ OSB exterior sheathing, 2 ply 2 x 10 S.P.F. lintels - grade stamped, kiln dried lumber.
- Pony (Knee) Walls - 2 x 6 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried studs spaced at 16″ on centre with 2 x 6 double top and single bottom plate with exterior. 7/16″ OSB exterior sheathing supplied. R-24 batt insulation and 6 mil poly vapour barrier included (CGSB Approved). Pony walls supplied on split level, bi-level and grade level entry plans.
- Interior Walls - 2 x 4 S.P.F. grade stamped, kiln dried studs spaced 16″ on centre with 2 x 4 double top and single bottom plates. 2 x 6 material supplied for plumbing and bearing walls as indicated on plans.
- Roof Sheathing - 1/2″ standard plywood with ply clips.
- Roof System - engineered factory assembled raised heel trusses with metal connectors. Trusses spaced at 24″ on centre. Includes gable end sheathing, miscellaneous framing and gable ladder material. Some models have additional dimensional roof framing lumber.
- Roofing - 30 year architectural fibreglass shingles, pre-finished metal starter for roof perimeter, ice and water shield for eaves and valleys, synthetic underlayment provided for balance of roof, and all necessary accessories.
- Windows - high quality, white vinyl casement, energy efficient thermo glazed windows, including low E and argon gas. All units include jamb extensions and nailing fins, plus all necessary hardware and screens. All sealed units carry a manufacturer's warranty. Windows supplied in pony walls and walkout walls as indicated on plan. Hung and/or sliding windows will be supplied where shown on plan. All windows carry the Energy Star label.
- Soffit and Fascia - pre-finished aluminum complete with all accessories.
- Flashing - provided for windows, exterior doors and roof where required.
- Vinyl Siding - in selected colours supplied for full exterior coverage, complete with trims. Strapping provided where vertical applications apply.
- Air Barrier - House wrap weather barrier system and header wrap complete with window and door flashings, and sealant tape.
- Ceiling Insulation - R-62 batt insulation two-ply system. Insulation in cathedral ceilings will be supplied as specified on plan (minimum R-31).
- Exterior Wall Insulation - R-24 batt insulation supplied for all exterior walls including pony walls. Expanding foam insulation for door and window installations.
- Vapour Barrier - 6 mil polyethylene vapour barrier (CGSB approved) supplied with acoustical caulking for sealing.
- Wallboard - supplied for above grade applications. 1/2″ drywall for walls and 5/8″ drywall or 1/2″ drywall and strapping, or 1/2″ sag resistant drywall for ceilings, complete with sufficient screws, tape, joint filler and metal corner bead. Moisture resistant drywall included for all bathrooms.
- Primer Paint - supplied for coverage of all drywall.
- Entrance Doors - supplied as per plan. Style to include plain glass lites, sidelites, transoms, patio and garden doors. All units are prehung and ready for installation.
- Interior Doors - pre-built, embossed, primed swing doors in selected profiles complete with jamb and stop. Matching bifold doors complete with jamb for closets.
- Interior Trim - 4″ primed colonial baseboards and 2-3/4″ primed colonial casings.
- Closets - provided with coated wire shelving, integral hanging rod included.
- Caulking - supplied for sealing exterior wall plates doors, windows and other applications as required
- Fasteners - sufficient fasteners are supplied for framing, roofing and finishing.
- Door Locks and Hardware - all exterior swing doors include dead bolt assemblies. Grip set provided for front entrance door. Premium quality locks and passage sets are supplied throughout. Interior door stops supplied. Door locks and hardware come with a Manufacturers Lifetime Warranty.
- Ventilation - Roof vents, gable vents, insulation stops, and vented soffit to supply ventilation to attic areas. Continuous ridge vents supplied on cathedral ceilings.
- Garage - Packages All necessary framing materials for construction of garage included -2 x 4 S.P.F. grade stamped framing material at 16″ on centre, 7/16″ OSB exterior wall sheathing, engineered truss system 24″ on centre, 1/2″ plywood roof sheathing, 30 year architectural asphalt shingles complete with accessories, air barrier, vinyl siding and accessories. 1/2″ drywall supplied for walls and 5/8″ drywall, 1/2″ drywall and strapping, or 1/2″ sag resistant drywall for ceiling, complete with sufficient screws, tape and joint filler. Minimum R-12 batt insulation supplied for all exterior walls. Minimum R-20 batt insulation supplied for ceilings. Windows and doors as shown on plan, insulated sectional overhead steel door, prefinished soffit and fascia. Note: Some models show optional garage packages.
- Ten complete sets of professional, top quality Home Building Centre blueprints - Provided by our in-house Architectural Solutions Group. Home Hardware Building Centre blueprints feature more detail than most stock plan services, including floor joist layouts, roof layouts, cross sections and framing details. (BCIN certified in Ontario)
- Builders Risk Insurance - is included with every Beaver Home or Cottage Material Package. Basic policy covers up to $500,000 of construction value and two million dollars of liability coverage.
Specifications are subject to change.
Meanwhile not sure if this has been posted yet- could not find it due to all the yakking on houses.
Canada leaves Aboriginal hopes to incubate in misery | Full Comment | National Post
It’s not just the tweaks to land-lease management on reserves contained in Bill C-45, which in part ignited the “Idle no More” protests. There have been many attempts at piecemeal repair. In 1996 there was Bill C-79, the Indian Act Optional Modification Act; it died on the order paper. In 2002 there was Bill C-7, the First Nations Governance Act, which attempted to reform reserve administration across the board. It perished in 2003. In 2008 there was Bill C-47, the Family Homes on Reserves and Matrimonial Interests or Rights Act, to redress inequity in the treatment of women. That one died on the order paper three times. It is before Parliament again as Bill S-2.
Amid these and other efforts, conditions on reserves have worsened. In its 2011 status report, the office of the Auditor-General chronicles, in customarily neutral tones, a horror show of civil neglect. On reserves, the high school graduation rate is 41 per cent, compared with a national average near 80 per cent. There’s a worsening housing shortage and huge numbers of the houses that do exist are mould-ridden. Children on reserves are eight times likelier than the national average to be in the care of child and family services.
This is not the upshot of one audit, mind you, but many. There were seven, between 2002 and 2008, chronicling the same problems.
At root, the malaise is economic. Except where there is a nearby resource development, or an enterprise such as a casino, these are communities with no natural economies, served by a remote federal bureaucracy (rather than a conventional municipal or provincial one), in which neither individuals nor the bands themselves hold title to their lands or homes.
The lack of property rights is not incidental. It is fundamental. It prevents the securing of mortgages, the building of equity and the accumulation of wealth. In effect the reserve system incentivizes misery, paying people to live where they cannot work. This is why all sides in this equation, including reserve residents and the taxpayer who bears the cost of Aboriginal Affairs’ $7.4-billion annual budget, feel so viscerally that they are being cheated. They are.
Canada leaves Aboriginal hopes to incubate in misery | Full Comment | National Post
It’s not just the tweaks to land-lease management on reserves contained in Bill C-45, which in part ignited the “Idle no More” protests. There have been many attempts at piecemeal repair. In 1996 there was Bill C-79, the Indian Act Optional Modification Act; it died on the order paper. In 2002 there was Bill C-7, the First Nations Governance Act, which attempted to reform reserve administration across the board. It perished in 2003. In 2008 there was Bill C-47, the Family Homes on Reserves and Matrimonial Interests or Rights Act, to redress inequity in the treatment of women. That one died on the order paper three times. It is before Parliament again as Bill S-2.
Amid these and other efforts, conditions on reserves have worsened. In its 2011 status report, the office of the Auditor-General chronicles, in customarily neutral tones, a horror show of civil neglect. On reserves, the high school graduation rate is 41 per cent, compared with a national average near 80 per cent. There’s a worsening housing shortage and huge numbers of the houses that do exist are mould-ridden. Children on reserves are eight times likelier than the national average to be in the care of child and family services.
This is not the upshot of one audit, mind you, but many. There were seven, between 2002 and 2008, chronicling the same problems.
At root, the malaise is economic. Except where there is a nearby resource development, or an enterprise such as a casino, these are communities with no natural economies, served by a remote federal bureaucracy (rather than a conventional municipal or provincial one), in which neither individuals nor the bands themselves hold title to their lands or homes.
The lack of property rights is not incidental. It is fundamental. It prevents the securing of mortgages, the building of equity and the accumulation of wealth. In effect the reserve system incentivizes misery, paying people to live where they cannot work. This is why all sides in this equation, including reserve residents and the taxpayer who bears the cost of Aboriginal Affairs’ $7.4-billion annual budget, feel so viscerally that they are being cheated. They are.
You'd have to ask the government that since it was an audit by their request and it is them that is sitting on the results at this time.
see above
see above.
Oh look, now we have mods trolling. Isn't that just so sweet.
and the above is a far cry from the chinese model for 20k that you were originally going on about. Also not that the insulation listed WILL have to be upgraded and there is no mention of even electrical rough in. We are now up to 42k but the above does not include electrical, heating, or plumbing, and still needs to be shipped to the site, put on a foundation, hooked up to municipal and erected and finished.
Also JLM..... please note that in the specs there is no mention of "U" value, it is all about the "R" value. Now, if we were talking about heat exchangers, it would be all about the "U" value.
Is it possible to manufacture prefabs and ship at costs lower than what it costs for new construction?
Would geothermal be more efficient than oil- gas- and such.
If both are feasible and cost effective. Could these prefabs not be built by FN peoples that are closer to larger cities- materials would be close by.
But...but....but the CBC is an obviously Right leaning wingnut Communist...uhm....Fascist, biased....
uh....something or another....maybe Republican or something? Anyway, they're bad! They're not
saying the right things at the right time, so they must be...oh...how 'bout a division of SUN-FOX
-Al Quada News?
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Shipping is much easier where there are roads. They end at Cochrane and the railroad goes as far as Moosonee
I don't get taken in with baffle and bullsh*t, Gerry, I check out web sites like the ones I posted and what they say coincides with what Petros has been saying, not being an expert I can't say 100% but what he says is credible at least!
How many reserves are in areas where roads do not exist- flying in is the only option- by sea would be useful I think for some.
Is what I presented a viable industry for FN peoples. Hire FN persons- buy local- Would not take a major set up of facilities for building prefabs.
The housing is atrocious - the population is growing. And the kicker- The FN family has ownership.
Cement would be a problems but they have portables for this do they not?
I guess whether it be prefab or new construction, all the material has to be transported up there one way or the other. With geothermal would you not still have to have a back up system?..........being there is no heat in the ground for about 5 months of the year up there.
This is a far superior house than the one you originally posted. But it still requires foundation, plumbing, heating and electrical plus freight and labour.
A lot of ifs and maybes but it would be somewhat cheaper to send in prefabs. A little less labour cost in erecting but still require tradesmen for all the other work. There is no reason that lumber couldn't be manufactured on site in many cases. DOes require motivation though as well as a few experienced people to make it work. Petros , I think it was posted some pics a bunch of pages back that showed a panabode style with two layers of walls with insulation inbetween. This style could be manufactured in many locations. Again there is still the foundation and all the mechanical to consider. All this stuff does have to be freighted in.
Motivation does seem to be the big problem. I think the native leaders like the system in place now where BIG BROTHER supplies everything and all they have to do is fill out applications. I'm not convinced that the leadership wants the rank and file to have real jobs.