Gun Control is Completely Useless.

JLM

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Screw them and the pansy horse they rode in on. There wouldn't be woodwork without real men with dirt under their finger nails.

Easy to say, but I can't fight as good as I once could and I sure as hell can't run as fast!-:)

Being "urban" doesn't preclude person from hunting for the winter's meat supply!

Glad to see you back, Walter, you've been missed!
 

petros

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Easy to say, but I can't fight as good as I once could and I sure as hell can't run as fast!-:)
Something to ponder....



If they were really Super Heroes, they'd be wearing flannel instead of satin.
 

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Actually taxslave, petros, et al, there is absolutely no use in trying to dissuade someone who is dead against guns, the entire concept is foreign to them - they live their own sheltered existance and will never understand in a million years!

do you really think sal is dead against guns? From the posts I read it is the 'wild west mentality' that
she has read over and over, and the millions of 'gun carrying people' on the street, or in their homes.
And, the mentality of wanting more and more guns.

It is too bad that when someone gives an anti gun opinion, many seem to automatically figure that they,
who are hunters etc. are included in that opinion. From what I have been reading that isn't correct.

From what I have read, Sal doesn't want your hunting rifle, or 22 taken away at all.

The two stories are completely different. I am totally against guns too, the same as Sal, but I am not
against sporting guns, hunting, target shooting, protecting one's animals on a farm and anything else
that fits into that catagory.

It is the heavily populated urban areas that are the most dangerous, no sporting type activities done
there, and even those who live in the urban areas who like to hunt have to take their hunting rifles,
or shotguns to the hunting areas, pretty useless in the city, (unless, they want to shoot a person).

Why does it seem to be so difficult to keep the 'two' catagories separated, the hunters etc, get their
knickers in a knot, when people are concerned about the millions of hand guns/assault rifles in the
u.s.

It is really sad that millions feel they need to carry or own a gun to protect themselves in heavily
populated areas, but that is life in the u.s. at this point in time, and it isn't going to change.

If someone can find a place on this earth to live, reasonably free of urban style guns, and find peace
and security, and not have to worry about who is around them who might be carrying guns, then all the
more power to that person, it 'is' the way it should be.
 

petros

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do you really think sal is dead against guns? From the posts I read it is the 'wild west mentality' that
she has read over and over, and the millions of 'gun carrying people' on the street, or in their homes.
And, the mentality of wanting more and more guns.
In case you haven't noticed, the West is still wild.
 

JLM

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do you really think sal is dead against guns? From the posts I read it is the 'wild west mentality' that
she has read over and over, and the millions of 'gun carrying people' on the street, or in their homes.
And, the mentality of wanting more and more guns.

Maybe not Talloola, I probably just jumped to the wrong conclusion from one post I read........................."I agree they may not do so with intent, but if you carry a gun sooner or later you are going to use it. Also once one uses it, can they live with it? Armchair soldiers, actually killing someone carries a very, very steep price.

Oh but they would ONLY use it if their life was threatened. I don't think the average person down there has that capability. Truly I don't."

Sorry, mea culpa.
 

talloola

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Meaning the west is still wild. Parts of the east too.

'wild west mentality' is just a saying, but the meaning is very clear.

gun shootin, gun totin, posse gathering, lawlessness, ignorance, shoot first, ask questions later,
linching, etc.

don't think that type of wildness exists much at all any more, either west or east.

wonder how many people carry a gatling these days. lol would fit nicely in the back of a pickup.
 

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Marvel superheroes are way more interesting than the DC ones. Better imaginations is why, IMO. :D Cooler leotards and whatnot, too.

Anyway, as far as schools go, I think kids would get pretty excited about those airport scanner things. Adults in schools would be grumpy about it, though. And a simple alarm switch placed strategically in various places in schools (kind of like fire alarms are already) might prevent some idiot from being too devastating, too.
Of course, there's always the chance of some armed school marshal going bonkers and shooting people.
 

petros

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'wild west mentality' is just a saying, but the meaning is very clear.

gun shootin, gun totin, posse gathering, lawlessness, ignorance, shoot first, ask questions later,
linching, etc.

don't think that type of wildness exists much at all any more, either west or east.

wonder how many people carry a gatling these days. lol would fit nicely in the back of a pickup.
Oooooooh you mean't the TV version not the reality version.

Marvel superheroes are way more interesting than the DC ones. Better imaginations is why, IMO. :D Cooler leotards and whatnot, too.
There is no such thing as "cool leotards" for men.
 

talloola

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Marvel superheroes are way more interesting than the DC ones. Better imaginations is why, IMO. :D Cooler leotards and whatnot, too.

Anyway, as far as schools go, I think kids would get pretty excited about those airport scanner things. Adults in schools would be grumpy about it, though. And a simple alarm switch placed strategically in various places in schools (kind of like fire alarms are already) might prevent some idiot from being too devastating, too.
Of course, there's always the chance of some armed school marshal going bonkers and shooting people.

well trained capable teachers could do the job, (all teachers in a school don't have to be trained and
armed, but don't need armed marshalls, and the fear of a person
going bonkers within the school can't be a reason 'not' to make a much better attempt to keep children
alive.
Anyone could go bonkers at any time in this world, not a reason to do 'nothing' to protect innocent
children.
The killer was climbing thru a window, that principal, trained and ready to act, could have shot him
before he could do anything else, she was right there, at that moment no one was dead yet, but no,
she had to figure out how to stop bullets with her body, as well as the rest of them who died.
 

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Anyway, I think education about use, safety, restricted access (via things like trigger locks, gun safes, etc.), and decent screening of who can have or get access to guns is the way to go. It won't have any effect on those criminals who mock laws and rules, but it would likely prevent a lot of "accidental" shootings.

well trained capable teachers could do the job, (all teachers in a school don't have to be trained and
armed, but don't need armed marshalls, and the fear of a person
going bonkers within the school can't be a reason 'not' to make a much better attempt to keep children
alive.
Anyone could go bonkers at any time in this world, not a reason to do 'nothing' to protect innocent
children.
I was kind of half joking about that part.
The killer was climbing thru a window, that principal, trained and ready to act, could have shot him
before he could do anything else, she was right there, at that moment no one was dead yet, but no,
she had to figure out how to stop bullets with her body, as well as the rest of them who died.
Flak jackets for everyone!
Like I implied, if some idiot wanted to slither through a window and someone spotted them, an alarm going off just might cause the idiot to become confused long enough for appropriate people to protect the kids. Might even cause the idiot to cancel plans.
A few cams around with someone in a small room with video monitors could do some good, too. Pretty tough to hide an AR-15 without looking suspicious.
 

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The reason I get fed up with a bunch of people who don't know a bloody thing about firearms, telling me whatis right...when they call a semi-auto rifle an assault weapon because to them it looks military in style, when they infer that because Iown more than one firearm, I must be a gun nut.
This is not just my story, but avariation of the story of many people I know.
I have been handling firearms since Iwas 8 or 9 years old, my first was a 22 cooey single shot, just aboutthe safest firearm in the world....

My first handgun at 21 was a savage arms single shot .22 pistol also one of the safest pistols anyone can own....over the next forty-some years as a hunter and target shooter,with revolvers and semi-auto target and and personal protection pistols, I can't even imagine how many thousands of rounds I havefired with only one single incident, while helping a friend with adefective rifle....an incident that only resulted in a misfire and noinjury, since I was following proper procedure.

Over the years I've only been in local competitions, since there has always been someone who was a better shot than me :lol:

I've also done my duty as range master at the local club, with not a single injury at the club, all theyears I have been a member.

I have shot side by side with police officers and MNR officers and most of the members of the club can hold their own in firearm knowledge and shooting accuracy with any of them.

Some shooters may be a bit braggadocious, and it might reflect on their facebook pages but Iwould be willing to bet that the ones who post like some have mentioned, that they don't know anything about firearms but what they read on the internet.

All these years, I've had carry permits for target shooting, and for about ten years, for the protection of life, and I can tell you that I wouldn't carry just for the fun of itand unless I would absolutely have to, simply because the weight gets to be a pain in the butt after a while.




End of rant.....y'all have a Happy NewYear!
 

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I have to be honest and say I really don't know what a legitimate gun owner is, why they own guns, how they store them or how many people in Canada are killed yearly by accident because a gun was not secured properly. I don't know why one human being would want to kill another either but it happens when people have access and anger and mental health issues and unresolved difficulties that they do not have the skills to cope with. I don't know guns but I do know a lot about psychology and human nature and they do not mix safely in my experience or opinion.

So I don't want to remove your gun from your home, I do want to know that you are competent to have it. And I do feel that right trumps your right to own it.

Let's see....

I am a legitimate gun owner, licensed to keep long guns (hunting guns), restricted weapons (handguns and some types of semi-auto long guns) and prohibited military guns.

I have been both an instructor for the Canadian Firearms safety course, and a firearms trainer for an armoured car company.

I keep rifles and shotguns as tools for hunting, as my ancestors have done since we climbed out of the trees.

I keep handguns for target shooting, for pleasure now, but once to keep my skills sharp so I could defend myself and my co-workers in the event of an attack.

I can no longer take my military FN out of the house, due to idiotic gun laws.

All my guns are locked in gun safes.

There are less than 50 accidental firearms deaths in Canada every year.

And you have absolutely no right to know I have guns, nor do you have any right to "safety", or to judge my competence. That was done when they issued the license.

Nor do you have any right to question my motives in owning firearms. Simply NOYB, although I did explain above.......
 

JLM

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'wild west mentality' is just a saying, but the meaning is very clear.

gun shootin, gun totin, posse gathering, lawlessness, ignorance, shoot first, ask questions later,
linching, etc.

don't think that type of wildness exists much at all any more, either west or east.

wonder how many people carry a gatling these days. lol would fit nicely in the back of a pickup.

"Wild west mentality" also means stuff like a man's word/handshake is his bond, it means you can leave your doors unlocked without fear of harm but by the same token if a man is stranded, lost hungry etc. he can help himself and repay the debt later without anxiety on either side.
 

DaSleeper

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"Wild west mentality" also means stuff like a man's word/handshake is his bond, it means you can leave your doors unlocked without fear of harm but by the same token if a man is stranded, lost hungry etc. he can help himself and repay the debt later without anxiety on either side.
Oh yes....the code of the west!
Once, hunting with my Dad, we had just come back to our hunting camp besides the river just before dark, and we noticed someone had been there by boat sometimes during the day, had drank about half of the 24 we had in the cabin, and along with a note explaining their real bad thirst and hoping we would accept the exchange.....a still sealed 26 ouncer of gin,(my old man's favorite) holding the note on the table......."The code of the North":smile:
 

Sal

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Let's see....

I am a legitimate gun owner, licensed to keep long guns (hunting guns), restricted weapons (handguns and some types of semi-auto long guns) and prohibited military guns.

I have been both an instructor for the Canadian Firearms safety course, and a firearms trainer for an armoured car company.

I keep rifles and shotguns as tools for hunting, as my ancestors have done since we climbed out of the trees.

I keep handguns for target shooting, for pleasure now, but once to keep my skills sharp so I could defend myself and my co-workers in the event of an attack.

I can no longer take my military FN out of the house, due to idiotic gun laws.

All my guns are locked in gun safes.

There are less than 50 accidental firearms deaths in Canada every year.

And you have absolutely no right to know I have guns, nor do you have any right to "safety", or to judge my competence. That was done when they issued the license.

Nor do you have any right to question my motives in owning firearms. Simply NOYB, although I did explain above.......
Less than 50, that is good I guess, unless you are one of the fifty. Not so good for them though, and hopefully they accidentally killed themselves and not some poor innocent.

I don't need the personal right to judge your competence on weapons possession. I do have a right to demand that the law ensure that you are stable enough to have your little arsenal and what you can do with it and when and that it is kept locked for SAFETY purposes.

I do have a right to safety and if that means keeping guns out of the hands of crazy old Fred down the street then so be it. You obviously think that you have a right to defend yourself and your co workers (although I would beg to differ) and why you think you would need to is a tad on the bizarre/paranoid side in most civilized areas of Canada anyway.